My questions to Jana,

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Dear Jana I also have a Question.

If ISI's policy is to establish Shariat like laws with an Taliban interpretation in Afghanistan, would it not be in the interest of Pakistan, being a Nation founded on British Laws, replace its Laws, and also adapt Taliban style Shariat, to avoid being seen by al mighty Allah as a Double dealing Liar.

Kind Regards

[Jana]

1. well thank you NO i dont need to invite anyone to defend me because i can defend myself well.

2. You have no right to order me NOT to call myself what i am being Pathan/Pashtun/Pakhtun does NOT mean that we had to hate Pakistan to prove that.

3. Now as far as my country is concerned i already replied Pakistan is my country and i support it against any aggression by anyone from around the world.

4. Its such an unfortunate phrase when you guys just see ISI and forget the role of US, your own people in this war and the earlier one too. ISI is not alone responsible for that. You, we and US we all had started it so better accept the reality. Every ethnic group ranging from Pashtuns to Punjsheries everyone was part of first Afghan war. The only difference now is that every ethnic group in Afghanistan now is trying to cling to the party which best suites its interests.


The bottom line is its not just war of an individual rather a world game and in this game there are many players.

You have to come up with some solution best suited for your people excluding all other players including Pakistan, US, Iran, China, India.

The problem is when you support one which is damaging to the other then be sure the country at the receiving end can not simply ignore it. Be it anyone

[MazloomyarMaseed]

1. well thank you NO i dont need to invite anyone to defend me because i can defend myself well.

2. You have no right to order me NOT to call myself what i am being Pathan/Pashtun/Pakhtun does NOT mean that we had to hate Pakistan to prove that.

3. Now as far as my country is concerned i already replied Pakistan is my country and i support it against any aggression by anyone from around the world.

4. Its such an unfortunate phrase when you guys just see ISI and forget the role of US, your own people in this war and the earlier one too. ISI is not alone responsible for that. You, we and US we all had started it so better accept the reality. Every ethnic group ranging from Pashtuns to Punjsheries everyone was part of first Afghan war. The only difference now is that every ethnic group in Afghanistan now is trying to cling to the party which best suites its interests.


The bottom line is its not just war of an individual rather a world game and in this game there are many players.

You have to come up with some solution best suited for your people excluding all other players including Pakistan, US, Iran, China, India.

The problem is when you support one which is damaging to the other then be sure the country at the receiving end can not simply ignore it. Be it anyone

You speak of Afghanistans divisions, yet what about your own home grown divisons such as MQM, PLM etc, Hazara independance movement etc.

How can one get a solution when your ISI keeps interfearing in the affairs of Pashtuns, I suggest America should stop all aid to Pakistan and then we will see who Pakistan begs for money, Maybe its COMMUNIST alley China will replace and give billions of dollars to Pakistan haha.

Kind Regards

[Jana]

Dear Jana I also have a Question.

If ISI's policy is to establish Shariat like laws with an Taliban interpretation in Afghanistan, would it not be in the interest of Pakistan, being a Nation founded on British Laws, replace its Laws, and also adapt Taliban style Shariat, to avoid being seen by al mighty Allah as a Double dealing Liar.

Kind Regards

Shariat or no Shariat laws. This is not the duty of individuals neither Taliban nor army. Its something that has to be done through the parliament simple as that.


We dont care what law other countries have or intend to have thats their issue not ours.


Afghan Taliban are your people and its up to you how to defeat them or exclude them.

The only wrong here is the presence of NATO and US which is giving more support to Afghan Taliban slogan of fighting.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Shariat or no Shariat laws. This is not the duty of individuals neither Taliban nor army. Its something that has to be done through the parliament simple as that.


We dont care what law other countries have or intend to have thats their issue not ours.


Afghan Taliban are your people and its up to you how to defeat them or exclude them.

The only wrong here is the presence of NATO and US which is giving more support to Afghan Taliban slogan of fighting.

Stop simplifying things. What is going in Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan is a proxy war, where every country including your dear pak sar zamin (as well as NATO, Russia, China, India, Iran) are playing a dirty game on our land. The difference between you and maseed, is that maseed (rigthly of wrongly) speaks as a pashtun, and you frmo the point of view of pakistani interests. There is a clear difference, it is just that you don't or can't see it.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Shariat or no Shariat laws. This is not the duty of individuals neither Taliban nor army. Its something that has to be done through the parliament simple as that.


We dont care what law other countries have or intend to have thats their issue not ours.


Afghan Taliban are your people and its up to you how to defeat them or exclude them.

The only wrong here is the presence of NATO and US which is giving more support to Afghan Taliban slogan of fighting.

Iam from Waziristan, how is Afghan taliban my people?

Oh wait, but what if the Pakistan army is sheltering them in Miram Shah Market? what steps will you take to let go of your assets.

Secondly, you didnt answer my question correctly, If your ISI supports Shariat in Afghanistan, then why doesnt it impliment it in Pakistan to call it even? Why produce mureee brewwee and let pakistani women dance in Hera Mandi but speak of Islamic laws in Afghanistan?

Also, May I ask, Col imam, being the father of Taliban as he claims, has met Anti State Taliban figures such as Hakeemullah and Wali ur Rehman three times in the past few months, his two sons are bridgiers of Pak Fauge, the same Fauge that is suppose to be fighting the Taliban, are you telling me the ISI is so no weak and badly organised that they couldnt trace Col imam and catch the main commanders?

Kind Regards

[Jana]

You speak of Afghanistans divisions, yet what about your own home grown divisons such as MQM, PLM etc, Hazara independance movement etc.

Where did i talk about Afghan divisions in this thread?? if you are talking about ethnic differences these are found in every country in this region.

And for your information there is NO Hazara Independence movement neither MQM is running any. Rather MQM is becoming a mainstream political party (though i dont like it because its against Pashtuns of my Province)

How can one get a solution when your ISI keeps interfearing in the affairs of Pashtuns

Up to you its your country and you have to find a solution no US or NATO will do that.

, I suggest America should stop all aid to Pakistan and then we will see who Pakistan begs for money, Maybe its COMMUNIST alley China will replace and give billions of dollars to Pakistan haha.

Kind Regards

America will do what better suites its interests so the day it suites to stop the aid it will. So relax till then. It aint going to happen so soon.


And oh BTW we had been under sanctions in the past for our nuclear weapons so we now how to steer ourselves from the mess. So we have NO worries even if it stops.


US is also spending millions of dollars in Afghanistan but unfortunately the criminal warlords are eating up the bucks

[Jana]

Stop simplifying things. What is going in Pashtunkhwa and Afghanistan is a proxy war, where every country including your dear pak sar zamin (as well as NATO, Russia, China, India, Iran) are playing a dirty game on our land. The difference between you and maseed, is that maseed (rigthly of wrongly) speaks as a pashtun, and you frmo the point of view of pakistani interests. There is a clear difference, it is just that you don't or can't see it.

yes i agree with that, that there is a proxy war being fought on our land BUT my question is our own people are part of this.

The day they stop supporting, helping the outsiders we might have some better position.


As far as being Pashtun or being native of a country well frankly when i will step out in the world they wont take me as just a Pashtun but my country will come first there.

In case of war between any neighbouring country or just suppose if there is any war (God forbid ) between Pakistan and Afghanistan, do you think all Pashtuns will side with one country ????


lets be realistic we can not live on merely ethnic claims. We are proud of our ethnicity but it doesnt mean we should spread hatred.

[Toramana]

Pathan is a word used by those ex-Pashtuns for themselves who have been coopted by Punjabis and who lack a sense of identity.

Pakistani and Pashtun identities are contradictory and anti-thetical one to prosper at the cost of the other. No patriotic Pashtun would use such a term as Paakki Pashtun...

The plain fact is, the Punjabi establishment with their Pashtun cronies are trying hard to maintain the regional status...rather convert it into a victory and an opportuity for re-establishing influence in Afghanistan through Taleban proxies. That is why, this talk of the NATO/US occupation of Afghanistan...

Strangely, all Paakkis complain of conspiracies by US/West in the region but then go and get their tummes stuffed with US dollars. Punjabis/Paakkis are people of the lowest self-esteem.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

yes i agree with that, that there is a proxy war being fought on our land BUT my question is our own people are part of this.

The day they stop supporting, helping the outsiders we might have some better position.


As far as being Pashtun or being native of a country well frankly when i will step out in the world they wont take me as just a Pashtun but my country will come first there.

In case of war between any neighbouring country or just suppose if there is any war (God forbid ) between Pakistan and Afghanistan, do you think all Pashtuns will side with one country ????


lets be realistic we can not live on merely ethnic claims. We are proud of our ethnicity but it doesnt mean we should spread hatred.

No you are being very unrealistic. First of all, in politics there are interests. Now Pakistan's security dilemma and strategic interests go against Pashtuns. This is clear from a historical adn political perspective since the past 30 years. Now if Pakistan and Afghansitan go to war, the reality is that both of the country's non pashtuns will gang up on us and use us. Hence why we are suffering is that we don't have our interests in line.
Now you are again misunderstanding, this is not about hate. It is about our interest vs theres. If Pakistan had their interests alligned with ours there would no argument, but since it doesn't it is foolhardy to defend them. By your argument the israeli arabs should be loyal to the IDF right? After all that is their country.

[Jana]

That was not the question, Do you even know that the word "Pathan" is derogatory to many? This is the difference between Pashtun Forums and Pakistani forums, in Pashtun forums, Pakii is censored. But in many Pakistani forums, Pathan is used, and its considered a smack in our faces. We are Pashtuns. With that being said, Explain what Pathan means.

Alright i thought you are ordering me not to call myself Pashtun. Anyway that was not intentional and if you have noticed in this thread i had posted all the dialects.

We here in KPK often used that when we talk to non-Pashtuns because they understand it easily rest there is no other reason for using the word.

What kind of aggression? Just cause its your country, Its ok to have ruined and destroyed Afghanistan? Is that what you want?

Aggression means in case any country attack us directly or indirectly even if its yours. NO i dont support destroying Afghanistan.

Pakistan, like many have said is an American puppy, better yet its acts like a monkey would, You know, Monkey says monkey do? But, The point here is that your ISI, is responsible for the destruction of Afghanistan. Because of YOU and your support, Afghanistan is ruined. YOU sent us Taliban. But when Taliban existed in your country, Its a no no?

You nurtured them, You brainwashed a country with a low-literacy rate. How do you explain this ? It was you and your ISI who went to Kandahar. Worked on the Taliban. Created Taliban and tryed to send us back to the stone age. Its because you and your country is scared of Afghanistan to propagate into a stable,reliable country.

And this is what happens when Pakistan is constantly sending us suicide bombers to Kabul.

Pakistan Govt is our biggest problem to Afghanistan. You guys can not stop MEDDLING in our affairs. Leave us ALONE is what people are begging for.

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If US is so bad then why Karzai and his CO mostly includes criminals have become puppy of US ?

Shifting blame on ISI is the easiest thing. But in all this blame game you everytime forget that Rabbani, Rasool Syyaf, Ahmad Shah Masood, Hikmatyar and the famous six and their thousands of supporters and fighters were Afghans.

You forget to point fingers at CIA who was backing them and the first war which dragged into this second one

Why are you so worried if we ally with India?

For the same reason for which you are so worried if we ally with Taliban

[Jana]

No you are being very unrealistic. First of all, in politics there are interests. Now Pakistan's security dilemma and strategic interests go against Pashtuns. This is clear from a historical adn political perspective since the past 30 years. Now if Pakistan and Afghansitan go to war, the reality is that both of the country's non pashtuns will gang up on us and use us. Hence why we are suffering is that we don't have our interests in line.
Now you are again misunderstanding, this is not about hate. It is about our interest vs theres. If Pakistan had their interests alligned with ours there would no argument, but since it doesn't it is foolhardy to defend them. By your argument the israeli arabs should be loyal to the IDF right? After all that is their country.

Will reply your other comments later BUT who on earth Told you there is anything called ISRAELI Arabs ??

They are Palestinian or Israelis simple as that. Anything in between might be a dual nationality and in that case they will be more confused to support whom.

In case of war between the two countries, ethnic priority will be secondary simple as that.

In Peshawar despite being Pashtun we have seen how it always boiled down to natives of Afghanistan and Native of Pakistan.

[Jana]

Jana, if you stop sending us terrorists to destroy our country. we will be in peace. Its YOU who is scared to see us stable. cause we will demand for our thousand year old land and etc.

Currently we are having more suicide bombers coming from your country into Khyber Pukhtunkhwa and killing my people here.

[Michin Khel]

Jana i am convinced that you are a sensible and mature person.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Will reply your other comments later BUT who on earth Told you there is anything called ISRAELI Arabs ??

They are Palestinian or Israelis simple as that. Anything in between might be a dual nationality and in that case they will be more confused to support whom.

In case of war between the two countries, ethnic priority will be secondary simple as that.

In Peshawar despite being Pashtun we have seen how it always boiled down to natives of Afghanistan and Native of Pakistan.

Loll there are israeli arabs. They are even sitting in Knesset and are increasingly large part of the demographic of Israel.
Loll your example would have been worthwhile, but then you forget in Karachi, it is pashtun vs urdu speaker. Even if the pashtun is from Afghanistan or pakistan, they are against the muhajirs. So that deals with that. Also, the infamous panjab and sindh treatment of malakand IDPs.