Why and Who killed Ahmad Shah Massoud?

[Catya Sher]

A more interesting question may be to ponder why and who
killed Abdullah Azzam ?
He was so dedicated to the Afghans in their epic struggle against the Red Army and KGB.

I believe he has been entirely UNDER-recognized by Afghans for his
contribution in getting the Arab world interested in helping Afghans.

Regarding Massoud, back to original question,
I read the account of an American Swiss journalist who was waiting
for an interview with Massoud exactly at that same time as the
2 - I think one was Tunisian? One Algerian, and based in Brussels, maybe -

Though his entire journalistic career with regard to Afghanistan has
been one long paean of praise for Massoud, and cutting down or dismissing Pashtuns - this is my observation, no one ELSE has noticed this --
his account of the events leading up to that Sept 9 2001 event
probably are as reliable as can be found.

Few other foreigners were right there on the scene in Massoud's compound.

This man said, from what I remember reading his non-memorable memoirs ! -
that's ANOTHER story --
that he attempted to draw out the 2 mysterious
supposed Belgian documentary producers.

They were reclusive and refused to open up about themselves
past bare necessities of conversation.

No one had anything to do to fill their time while awaiting a long overdue
Massoud, so this anecdote reveals how nervous these 2 were.
They probably didn't let on how
suspicious they were of anyone paying attention to them.

All the group waiting were beyond bored as the days went by.
Afghan staff who worked for Massoud played
computer games while waiting for his return, which kept being extended.
The problem was high winds which prevented his helicopter to land
coming from Tajikistan, I think it was.

Finally the narrator left without his much-wished for interview
with his hero, which he constantly terms "The Lion" in the most
adulatory way imaginable. Especially for a theoretically
impartial journalist.

It was his wife who actually saved him from near certain death.

Her birthday was Sept 16 or so, and he had promised to be back
in Europe for that.

So he took off.
But the 2 stayed on, claiming they urgently needed to see Massoud.

When Massoud finally did arrive, he had no suspicion about them.
Surely his Public Relations chief
[grandiloquently titled, "Foreign Affairs Attache" or something similar
as though Massoud were running a government ]

should have had his antennae out
and observed that these 2 were acting
extra secretive considering they were supposed to be journalists.

Most journalists fraternize a lot, and drink alcohol if any is near.
So these definitely stood out as they kept to their quarters, only seen
for meals and prayers.

Who was behind these 2 ? I doubt it was anyone usually blamed.

Perhaps Israel, the planet's primary
false flagger.
And why ? Maybe some score to settle.
The 2 Arabs may have been used by them as a cover to hid
the hand of Mossad -

[roadrunner]

A more interesting question may be to ponder why and who
killed Abdullah Azzam ?
He was so dedicated to the Afghans in their epic struggle against the Red Army and KGB.

I believe he has been entirely UNDER-recognized by Afghans for his
contribution in getting the Arab world interested in helping Afghans.

Why do you think that? The Afghan Arabs didn't do much. There was no interest among the Arabs to fight in Afghanistan. When the Soviets were heading for defeat in 1986, lots of Arabs piled into Afghanistan to earn their Jihad badges.

The initial raising of awareness was an abysmal failure.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Some of you guys mix here a lot of things. One is that Azzam was not a terrorist but a Jihadist who preached a self-defence Jihad, not terrorism->Al-Qaida and Taliban and other groups.

OBL was invited by Northern Alliance but not to fight or keep the country into war but to intermediate between them and Taliban and at the end who was used, supported and backed by OBL? Northern Alliance or terrorist Pakis and their dogs? NA did not want him to stay in Afghanistan but Taliban´s blind prophet of terror hosted him as his guest. Hypocrite people you are. He was your terrorists and your masters. Don´t change here facts or don´t missinterprete them. Your behave just proves your ethnocentric view. No my god, no Farsiwan or Hazara or Pashai or Kamari or Uzbek or Nuristani sold the country or destroyed it because they were traitors. Just open a book and take a read. Self-defence and independence of every tribe plays today and played in the past a significant role. Just look to our current situation. The clown of Kabul call himself a lion and support centralism while majority want more provincial freedom. Who is the war monger? Karzai or those who ask for a better situation by letting everyside taking what they can take and what people want. Pashtuns want Taliban, their right. Hazaras want their own parliament, their right. Tajiks want more indenpendence and an own system in their iwn regions, their right, we want more independence and a better political role in Afghanistan, even if we make only 0.01% of the population. It is our right. It´s our country, the land of my ancestors otherwise at the end only one side will lose since majority are against Taliban and the current regime. Do not come up with talks like they did this and that bla bla bla. We know they did that and this but still people support them because they stand for the rights and demands of their own people as Taliban had this role in the 90s.

OK now Nokia lets hold palavar and make some sense... get down into the nitty gritty if you will.

1. Its absurd to reference Azzam a defensive strategist as he was a mentor and role model for OBL whose later work and treatises all built on the foundation work set up by Azzam.

I knew Bin Laden - Al-Jazeera Documentary - YouTube[/URL]

Here above at minute 14 Azzam's own wife vouches for this and puts cold water over the flames of a divisive theory that the latter killed the former.

2. 27 minutes 50 sec into the documentary and supplementing Michael Scheuers magna opus and authoratative biography of the man, it is apparent that colleagues of Rabbani and opponents of the Taliban visited the man and invited him to Afghanistan.

The Colonel Imam of ISI confirms the narrative that when these parties fled Jalalabad, the Taliban met Bin ladin for the first time.

So praythee tell me how can you claim the NA bought him in to negotiate with the Taliban when all sides acknowledge that he had yet to build any ties with them???

The evidence just does not support your white washed narrative.

3. Here is an indication that Rabbani himself gave the permission for Bin Ladin's jet to land in Jalalabad:

http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-202_162-20108832.html

"As an indication of the power he held in Afghanistan, Rabbani was the one who gave permission for bin Laden to land at Jalalabad airport when he returned from Sudan, Van Dyk reports."

4. You are being utterly naive if you think that these guys did not know or did not understand that OBL had never trusted the Western parties. He had already been acknowledged as having made problems for the US and its allies in Sudan. Are you telling me that the Rabbani/NA was that naive to not know their guest was involved in a tit for tat war with the US that had gone global?

5. You need to wake up and start seeing the world as it is and not as you want it to be. Both you and your colleagues have built a narrative that diminishes your and our intelligence. It diminishes your intelligence because it makes you look shifty, sneaky, and foolish and it diminishes ours because we have to listen to it. In this narrative there is this evil super nexus that involves the ISI and the CIA and Bin ladin and, despite the overwhelming evidence that the CIA had wanted to kill the latter most for years you are trying to pitch a false and unsubstantiated narrative that this evil super nexus aided by Pashtun buffoons created the current mess. If you choose to continue to perpetuate this series of myths then it is you that will have to account for the fact that no evidence exists for your version of events and that your version requires the notion that all the NA leaders were too dumb to see that their guest was already involved in a global struggle that initiated with Gulf War 1.

Regarding the rest of your commentary I do not get why you are whining about ethnocentrism when this question had not a da-mn thing to do with ethnocentrism. The question had to do with the fact that these guys were all involved in a struggle against the Russians and they all had their own Arab connection... yet YOU choose to impress upon pashtuns the Arab links that Mullah Omar had yet negate the ones that your own series of idols had as well.

Yet you, like a whining child, ask Pashtuns to take responsibility for all of these decisions yet diminish the decisions made by your own heroes and just gloss over them as if they were nothing and ignore the fact that your leaders also set up the situation for the subsequent mistakes of the Taliban.

How can you ask for mutual respect when you argue from the most ethno centric vantage point on the forum???

[randolph85]

What makes you think he was great on the battlefield.
The guy was an idiot on the battlefield. He never really fought until the Taliban came in to the picture, and the only place he could stall the Taliban were in his hometown of Panjshir which the mountains were the defense vs the panjshiris themselves.

If your thinking he held Kabul against Hekmatyar, he couldnt hold it, it was completely destroyed under his administration. The only reason Hekmatyar couldnt take it was because he couldnt make the pashtun come tegether like Omar Hotak did when Kabul was taken in one hour without a fight. When you can take Kabul in one hour without a fight, thats called great on the battlefield, and the one your taking it from, is called an idiot on the battle field.

Roady is right he was a great backstabber. He backstabbed the Afghans and sold himself to every buyer on the market.

i am not talking about the civil war, which was a clusterbuck of idiocy. i am talking the war in the 80s. the civil war was a bunch of guerrilla groups trying to fight some sort of quasi-conventional war against each other.

i wouldn't compare anyones accomplishment in the 80s to that of the civil war. its like saying hekmatyars group could slaughter russians for 10 years but not take kabul from a bunch of divided northerners.

[hamid954]

massoud was a puppet out of control and the CIA didn't need him anymore so they killed him and blamed it on Pashtuns to cause ethnic cleansing

[randolph85]

massoud would of been the perfect puppet, had he lived. there would of been no splintered northern alliance as there is today. the last few years before he died, rabbani was in the karzai camp whereas abdullah x2 and commanders like atta noor, among others were in the opposition. massoud was the only chance at a united northern political front in a political era.

[Admin Khan]

To all those Ahmad Shah Masood fan boys reading this. Please join, and enlighten me as to how this tool is a "hero". I like learning -- so the ball is in your court.

[din]

(( د مسعود په اړه دافغانستان د تاريخ حکم ))

اسد الله جلال ،کابل
د افغانستان په معاصر تاريخ کې که يوازې دوه _ درې څېرې هم داسې وي چې زموږ د وياړلي وطن د تاريخ پاڼې پرې شرمېدلی شي، بې له شکه چې يوه دغسې څېره د احمد شاه مسعود ده.
نن چې د سيپټمبر نهمه نېټه او د دغې څېرې د مرګ له کاليزې سره برابره ده، زموږ نږدې ټول هېوادوال د هغه په مرګ اوښکې نه تويوي، دا ځکه چې هغه د خپل واک د ټينګښت لپاره د ډېرو بېګناه افغانانو و ينې او اوښکې بهولې دي.
هغه د شوروي په وړاندې د افغانانو د سپېڅلي مقاومت په جګړو کې ستر خيانت وکړ او د جهاد او مقاومت په هماغو ګرمو او اورنيو شېبو کې يې له روسانو سره نه يوازې دا چې د ورورۍ تړون ﻻسليک کړ، د افغان مقاومت د نورو ټولو ډلو په ځپلو او له منځه وړلو کې يې هم ورسره د بې درېغه ملاتړ رسمي ژمنه وکړه چې له نېکه مرغه ټول هغه اسناد ان چې خپله روسانو هم خوندي کړي او بيا بيا خپاره کړي دي.
په راوروسته کې د ملګرو ملتونو د سوله ييز پلان د شنډولو لپاره د هغه او يو شمېر کمونيستي او ستمي کړيو توطيئه د افغانستان د داسې بربادۍ سبب شوه چې ټول افغانان يې له نږدې ځخه شاهدان وو او ﻻ دي. د هغه او ملګرو له برکته يې ټول افغانستان په کنډواله بدل شو او يوازې په کابل کې پنځوس زره بې ګناه افغانان ووژل شول . نوموړی په افغانستان کې د قومي او ژبنۍ تفرقې او کرکې مؤسس او قهرمان دی او له همدې امله يې ټول افغانان د افغانستان د ملي خائن په توګه پېژني .
دا چې سږ کال هم په کابل کې ځينو ځانګړيو ډلو او حلقو د بېلابېلو موخو او يا د مصلحتونو له مخې د هغه درواغجنې لمانځنې وکړې، زموږ د خلکو کرکه يې د هغه په وړاندې نوره هم زياته کړه . کاشکې د مسعود پېژندنې په داسې غونډو او سيمينارونو کې د وطن ريښتينو بچو او د تاريخ څېړونکو ته هم د څه ويلو موقع ورکړل شوې او د سر د امن تضمين يې شوی وای، بيا به نو زموږ خلکو ته داسې څېرې او کړه وړه يې په ښه توګه بربنډ شوي وای .
زموږ اولس د دومره کمزورې تاريخي حافظې لرونکی نه دی چې خپل ريښتيني اتلان او درواغجن اتلان سره جلا نه کړای شي.
که خدای (( ج )) کول ډېر ژر به د داسې ملي خاينانو يادنښې ړنګې او تصويرونه به يې د وطن د اصيلو بچو په ﻻسونو د اور د لمبو خوراک شي ، او دا به د مصلحتونو خبره نه وي ، دا د افغانستان د تاريخ حکم دی .
دغسې يو حکم نن په کابل کې د افغانستان د يو ګڼ شمېر تاريخ پوهانو په يوه پټه غونډه کې د احمدشاه مسعود په هکله صادر شو او غواړو چې د هېواد په دننه او بهر کې ترې ټول هېوادوال خبر کړو. د تاريخ دغه حکم وايي :
مسعود د افغانستان د تاريخ يو ملي خاين دی، هغه د پرديو يو غلام و او غلامان هيڅکله هم نه دي اتلان شوي. هغه په افغانستان کې د ملي تفرقې اتل او د افغانستان د ملي وحدت غليم و .

کابل _ د ١٣٨٣ کال د سنبلې ١٩
د ٢٠٠٤ کال د سيپټمبر نهمه

بېرته شاته

لومړی مخ -

[din]

aمسعود د افغانستان د تاريخ يو ملي خاين دی

Brig (R) Amir Sultan Tarar A.K.A. Col Imam 2 - YouTube

[din]

must whach

[din]

Brig (R) Amir Sultan Tarar A.K.A. Col Imam 2

Brig (R) Amir Sultan Tarar A.K.A. Col Imam 2 - YouTube

[din]

Brig (R) Amir Sultan Tarar A.K.A. Col Imam 1

Brig (R) Amir Sultan Tarar A.K.A. Col Imam 1 - YouTube

[Afghanistan2010]

Exclusive ; Taliban Leader Hakeemullah Mehsood On Screen Again , ISI Officer Col Imam Killed - YouTube[/URL]

Col. Imam...and inshaAllah also the fate of other ISI agents to come.


Ahmad Shah Masud was sent to Jahaanam by a brave man.

[din]

۰ملي خاين احمد شاه مسعود

سلام۰ملي خاين احمد شاه مسعود۰ وه پيژني ده جها د په وخت ده روسانوسره پور توکول امضاء کړي وچه سالګ په لويه لار روسان هرڅه جنګي سامان تيل په اسانه داخل کولا ي سي ۰پښتون ضد هزاره ضد ازبک ضد ۰ دهر افغان سره په شخړه ولاړو چاچې ده دنظرڅه اختلاف درلود۰ خپل قوم به و رته وويل چي پښتون په افغا نستان کې اکسريت موږده جنګ طاقت نلرو۰خاين احمد شاه م به په جيب لاس چخ کړي لس زريز لوټ به راوکښ چي پښتون زماجيب کي دي۰بل ده ده جنګ نخښه څه وه عقليت پراکسريت واکمند کول

[badmash_khel]

Although I don't know enough about Massoud and am still reseraching, its interesting to note that the respect mujahid Abdullah Yusuf Azzam who is respected by majority muslims has said only good things about Ahmad Shah Massoud and has compared him to Napolean and calle him a hero of Islam.

One thing in favour of Massoud is that he fought shoulder to shoulder with his people, didn't leave Afghanistan when people like Hekmatyar and Mullah Omar fled to Iran and Pakistan. He died at the hands of suicide bomber terrorist cowards and that makes him a shahid in my opinion. The rest Allah (swt) knows what was in his heart and what he concealed. For all we know he was a muslim and took part in Jihad. His biggest criticism is that he allegedly signed a treaty with Russians. If that is the case and he was a traitor and munafiq then why would Abudllah Azzam of all people say good things about him?