Kandahar Cultural Capital (split from Karachi Violence thread)

[Shayesta]

What about us Pakistanis accepting and hiring 2-5 million of your refugees? We accepted you as brothers.

No Afghan denies that Pukhtoons of Pakistan have treated Afghans well, and what do you mean with you accepted us 'as' brothers? I thought Pukhtoons were brothers already and both Afghanistan and Pakhtunkhwa was our home? Isn't that the reason why Pukhtoons of Pakistan show concern about status of Pukhto and Pukhtoons in Afghanistan (though they ain't in any better state themselves)?

Now you talk bad about us?

I never start talking bad about entire Pakistani nation. I talk bad about your government who made us refugees in our own land (Pakhtunkhwa) in first place, took billions of Dollars for us as refugees and yet claim to have done a favour on us. And of course, those people backing their government by going against Afghanistan ain't any sh*t better themselves.

All the other provinces of Afghanistan except Kandahar and the provinces that used to be part of Kandahr which I think is Helmand and etc speak and use Pashto.

So your respect is based on which province speaks Pukhto only? In that case, you should die of shame because of your Pakhtunkhwa.

Kabul, Mazar is all Farsi. and you know this.

Don't tell me Punjab, Kashmir, Sindh and Balochistan are all Pukhto?

In order to be educated in Afghanistan you must know Farsi. Pashto has no status.

Go to Jalalabad (with one of the best educational materials) and see whether you hear Pukhto or Dari? One of the most educated Afghans (Ashraf Ghani Ahmadzai) speaks more Pukhto on TV than Dari. Until and unless a person doesn't speak both Pukhto and Dari fluently, he is not allowed into politics and nor into anything regarding high position in Afghanistan. Stop your crap because you are starting to become an embarrassment.

Its not used.

Yeah, it's only used in Sindh by millions of Pukhtoons and in Pekhawer where they speak pure form of Pukhto; 'Bhai sahib, sumra time lagegi che pakora cook shi?' 'De ek hazar ruppee change lare?' 'Soch woka wale che mata pata neshta, deera mehrabani.'

Wauw, I am overwhelmed!

[Mayana]

Hollow superiority complex!
With empty pockets and hunger pains, we can not be called as kings and emperors.
Empty vessel make louder sound !
WE SHOULD BE PRACTICAL

Let's start being practical by knowing our places, shall we?

If my son goes and deceives, betrays and exploits me, the least he can do is still let me come to my own house.

[Mayana]

Isnt Afghanistan land of Pashtuns?

No.
Afghanistan is land of the Afghans.
All Pashtuns, excluding renegades like yourself, are Afghan.
But not all Afghans are Pashtun.

You, dear Pakistani, sit in Pakistan and are trying to show Afghans how to run their country? I beg to differ. Please KNOW your place.

Tajiks, Hazara, Uzbak, Turkman, Nuristani people have worked for Afghaistan; they have made sacrifices for Afghanistan while people like you were busy selling their souls to the enemy and while people like you were confused about their own identity. So know your place, if you call yourself Pakistani, worry about Pakistani issues and not about who in Afghanistan speaks what language.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

We are brothers and sisters but you guys are taking us for granted. Its like when someone gives you a loan and you yell "I DESERVED IT"

Our Government is the best in the world. It is helping us modernize and develop. There is not a single city in South Asia that is coming close to Karachi. Maybe Mumbai. Show it respect.

I love ISI cause it cares for our interests. You cant expect ISI to work for you know would it? Develop your own intelligence.

I respect them based on my encounters. Kandahar people are usually more inclined to respect and they dont usually have death threats to Pakistan. I have been to Kandahar and I have seen how they speak Pashto and write in Pashto.

But your capital is what matters like you said right? (even though I think Kandahar is more important in this war on terror) So Kabul you cant even speak Pashto .Its banned I heard.


We are an Urdu nation. we are not "Afghan" we speak Pashto you should be happy we do.

Isnt Afghanistan land of Pashtuns? who would you expect to speak more German? Holland or Germany?

Look at Karzai, All he does is speak Dari. Look at your Zahir shah he spoke Dari.

All your Pashtun kings chose Dari. Even our Pashtun president of Pakistan spoke Pashto.


Che mekuni? Ma nafamedum?Inja boro bacham

thats all you hear from Afghans.

Pakistani urdu is not an nation. It is a language that is derived from kharoboli, its name comes from turkish for army. We are Pashtuns, our language is pashto. There is not one pashtun in Pashtunkhwa who will ever call his nation "urdu". You are deceiving and misinforming people. Also, ISI may work for your interests, but not for us Pashtuns. Even little kids in Pashtunkhwa know the true face of the army and ISI. The more and more I read your posts, the more I am convinced that you are not a pashtun. Normally I don't like to label others, but you are increasingly fitting of such a label. If your identity is panjabi, urdu speaker or sindhi, by all means identify with it. If you are not, then stop shaming pashto and pashtunkhwa. You also said you are alokozai, if you are then you are the first alokozai to call yourself part of the "urdu nation". Alokozais are mostly from the southern pashtun areas and are as far away from urdu and pakistaniyath as anyone. Long story short, you look like a token pathan.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

I just cant beleive after what ISI has done to people this Pakistani dude says ISI are great? I find it very insulting and feel very offended, how many more Pashtuns are going to die by this ISI's twisted game for money.

As I have said before and many times, when your home is destroyed, then you will feel the real pain.

Kind Regards

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Plus, what the hell is a URDU nation, the only people who speak Urdu are those Mojjahirs from India, Pashtuns are not from India. It gets amusing by the mintue eh haha!

Which pashtun president of Pakistan spoke Pushto? from my knowledge, most of them were Hindkomars, and didnt speak Pushto but posed as Pashtuns.

Secondly, I really doubt your a full blood Pukhtun, Please take no offence, but i stand with BLS

[Michin Khel]

The more and more I read your posts, the more I am convinced that you are not a pashtun. Normally I don't like to label others, but you are increasingly fitting of such a label. If your identity is panjabi, urdu speaker or sindhi, by all means identify with it. .

Why it is hard for you to accept that pashtuns in pakhtunkhwa can be a pro-pakistani? where do you live? have you ever been to pakistan?
I have spent my entire life in pakistan and i have noticed that magority of pashtuns here consider themselves pakistanis, even the pashtuns from your malakand division.....ofcourse there is unrest and weakening confidence on governament.

[Michin Khel]

Which pashtun president of Pakistan spoke Pushto? from my knowledge, most of them were Hindkomars, and didnt speak Pushto but posed as Pashtuns.

Ghulam ishaq khan from bannu was president of pakistan.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Why it is hard for you to accept that pashtuns in pakhtunkhwa can be a pro-pakistani? where do you live? have you ever been to pakistan?
I have spent my entire life in pakistan and i have noticed that magority of pashtuns here consider themselves pakistanis, even the pashtuns from your malakand division.....ofcourse there is unrest and weakening confidence on governament.

Of course there is unrest? so i guess those made homeless and killed by pakistan Army will forget what happened to them eh?

Luffy, Ive been to DI Khan and TANk and to Waziristan and majoirty ive met hate Pakistan.

Is this the same ghulam Ishtiaq Khan who gave his granddaughter to omar ayub khan, the grandson of a Hindkomar Ayub Khan, that tells you alot of things about his character.

Do you think this so called Unrest wont lead to a armed struggle for rights? or will Pakistan bribe Pashtuns once more to accept its state? Also Luffy, if Pakistan loved Pashtuns so much, then why is there no operation in Punjab agaisnt Government Jihadi Groups?

I sense double standards, oh well, ive never seen a bigger joke than Pakistan. Pakistan is surviving on American and western aid, once that finishes, do you think they can buy their support once more?

[Zahed]

Pakistani, thanks for making such remakably stupid comments 'n then also challenge Shayesta khor with ur utter crap. now its gonna be fun watching u get pwnd loll.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Pakistani, thanks for making such remakably stupid comments 'n then also challenge Shayesta khor with ur utter crap. now its gonna be fun watching u get pwnd loll.

Can Pakistani provide us with evidence that Urdu is the first language of all Pashtuns?

Pakistaniyat is a disease, invented by the British to make sure its legacy and interests are in tact.

Pashtuns are being bombed in the name of Pakistan and some naive people here beleive Pashtuns will not get revenge and just forget about it.

Kind Regards

[Michin Khel]

Of course there is unrest? so i guess those made homeless and killed by pakistan Army will forget what happened to them eh?

Revenge is part of nature of pashtuns, they are taking it from Pak army but unfortunately in the form of talibans.

Luffy, Ive been to DI Khan and TANk and to Waziristan and majoirty ive met hate Pakistan

Yes i agree with you. But this hate has not taken form of freedom movement, so frankly speaking it is quite meaningl-ess.

Is this the same ghulam Ishtiaq Khan who gave his granddaughter to omar ayub khan, the grandson of a Hindkomar Ayub Khan, that tells you alot of things about his character.

NO ,he has given his daughter to anwar saifullah khan and one of saifullah has given their daughter to omar ayub khan, grandson of ayub khan.

Do you think this so called Unrest wont lead to a armed struggle for rights? or will Pakistan bribe Pashtuns once more to accept its state? Also Luffy, if Pakistan loved Pashtuns so much, then why is there no operation in Punjab agaisnt Government Jihadi Groups?.

Pakistan do no care for its people, so there is every kind of unrest against governament among every ethnicity. The particular Unrest and mistrust in pashtuns for pakistan created due to military operations and bombarments should have lead to separatist movement by now, but it seems pashtuns are not taking risk. Only Talibans have successfully hijacked the bad feelings of pashtuns for pakistan and have molded it to create terrorists.

I sense double standards, oh well, ive never seen a bigger joke than Pakistan. Pakistan is surviving on American and western aid, once that finishes, do you think they can buy their support once more?

Without american and westren aid pakistan would have met the fate of yoguslavia.

[Farhan88]

Revenge is part of nature of pashtuns, they are taking it from Pak army but unfortunately in the form of talibans.

If revenge was in our nature then we would 've taken revenge for killings of our people in Sindh. We would 've taken revenge from puke face Punjapais for using our Pakhtunkhwa for their terrorit activities to earn money. Pashtuns in south of Afghanistan would 've taken revenge from Tajiks, Uzzbeks and Hazaras in the south for rape and killings of Pashtuns in north. We do know how to fight people, but we don't know how to protect our own people 'cause our ghairat only wakes up when our fellow Pakii brothers 're in trouble.

[Levanaye Zalmaye]

If revenge was in our nature then we would 've taken revenge for killings of our people in Sindh. We would 've taken revenge from puke face Punjapais for using our Pakhtunkhwa for their terrorit activities to earn money. Pashtuns in south of Afghanistan would 've taken revenge from Tajiks, Uzzbeks and Hazaras in the south for rape and killings of Pashtuns in north. We do know how to fight people, but we don't know how to protect our own people 'cause our ghairat only wakes up when our fellow Pakii brothers 're in trouble.

From what I've seen over the past few years, I keep coming back to the age old simplistic argument - we don't have a leader. And all of this is happening because we need a strongman, someone with not only the right sort of ideology but the Machiavellian will and muscle to reinforce and implement it. Until then, Pashtuns are fair game for anyone, whether in Sindh or Waziristan.

[Shayesta]

We are brothers and sisters but you guys are taking us for granted. Its like when someone gives you a loan and you yell "I DESERVED IT"

If you seriously take us as your sisters and brothers then why would you even consider letting us reside in Pakhtunkhwa as a favour and question whether we 'deserve' it or not?

Our Government is the best in the world.

Hahahahahahahaha!

It is helping us modernize and develop.

Modernize all or Punjab only?

There is not a single city in South Asia that is coming close to Karachi. Maybe Mumbai.

Not close to Karachi as in what exactly?

I love ISI cause it cares for our interests.

Once again; Your interest or Punjabi interest?

You cant expect ISI to work for you know would it? Develop your own intelligence.

Taking of intelligence, I know they work for Pak interest and just like how you give yourself the right to back your ISI despite of them having wrong intentions towards my country, exactly same wise my countrymen have got all the right to speak against you and your ISI. Fair enough?

I respect them based on my encounters. Kandahar people are usually more inclined to respect and they dont usually have death threats to Pakistan.

Who else besides your own government is giving its own country death threats then?

I have been to Kandahar and I have seen how they speak Pashto and write in Pashto.

Great, now also focus on how they speak and write in Pukhto in Pekhawer.

But your capital is what matters like you said right?

It matters for a country's well being, not regarding a language you genius. It's a different thing I think Kandahar should have remained the capital because in a city with 75% non-Pukhtoons its not easy maintaining Pukhto strong enough. Heck, you can't even maintain that in Pakhtunkhwa.

So Kabul you cant even speak Pashto .Its banned I heard.

Stop listening to your Punjabi friends and observe it yourself. From the airport till the houses you will hear Pukhto and that's the reason during my entire stay in Kabul I didn't even use one line in Dari.

We are an Urdu nation.

Urdu nation? Since when did Urdu become a nation? And tell, aren't Punjabis the largest ethnic in Pakistan followed by Pukhtoons? Then how come nor Punjabi and nor Pukhto are given as a necessary subject in Pakistani education, let alone it be a national language? Exactly, because majority of your country speaks Urdu and that's why you speak Urdu, same wise majority in our country speak Dari and Pukhto and we speak Dari and Pukhto. Simple as that.

we are not "Afghan"

Oh, so you are not a Pukhtoon then?

we speak Pashto you should be happy we do.

LOL, why should I be happy for I Pukhtoon speaking his own language? It's like telling a British man in his own country; 'You should be happy I speak English.' LOL.

Isnt Afghanistan land of Pashtuns?

Isn't Pakhtunkhwa land of Pukhtoons?

who would you expect to speak more German? Holland or Germany?

Difference here is that Dutch people are Dutch and Germans are Germans; Pukhtoons of Afghanistan are Pukhtoons and Pukhtoons of Pakistan are also Pukhtoons. Get it?

Look at Karzai, All he does is speak Dari. Look at your Zahir shah he spoke Dari.

He speaks Dari in Kabul because 75% of the city speaks Dari as their first language, and when he is in Southern areas then he speaks Pukhto. Again, simple as that.

All your Pashtun kings chose Dari. Even our Pashtun president of Pakistan spoke Pashto.

Don't tell me he spoke Pukhto even in front of Punjabis, Sindhis, Kashmiris, etcetera?

Che mekuni? Ma nafamedum?Inja boro bacham

Wauw, look at this. A Pakistan speaks Dari but expects those from Afghanistan to be alien towards it, LOL. And this is what you will hear from Tajiks of Afghanistan. Go to Afghanistan once again and this time outside of Kandahar and see how much Pukhto you actually will hear in Kabul.