Kandahar Cultural Capital (split from Karachi Violence thread)

[Shayesta]

Keep slang out of this, You are hurting the literacy rate of the debate. The above is what I mean when I say you are taking me out of context.

Oh, am I? If I seriously don't know something then I am hurting the literacy rate by gaining some knowledge about it and taking you out of context? Hmm, if your literacy rate would have been high then bunch of barbaric and illiterates called Taliban would have been the last people you would support.

You were constantly crying how Pashto just became official along with Dari. But you do not realize Pashto was always used.

I never cried over anything buddy, don't mix your emotions with mine. I do realise Pukhto was always used but can you make me realise why in our own country by our own leaders it took our own people two centuries to make our language official?

Pashto has a higher and much respected status in Afghanistan compared to Pakistan where it barely spoken in businesses. You will meet a shop owner who speaks Pashto but would rather speak Urdu.

Why do you start comparing again and that also with Pakistan? I know how weak the position is of Pukhto in Pakistan but I thought we were discussing Afghanistan?

I said Kandahar is far more important as compared to Kabul city,

When it comes to culture, Herat is said to be most important province. When it comes to history of famous personalities, Kandahar is said to be most important province. When it comes to historic poetry, Balkh is said to be most important province. When it comes to business in banking and sports, Nangarhar is said to be most important province. So in what way is Kandahar more important here, as compared to Kabul? Or am I taking you out of context now, again?

Miss, Typing a lot does not help your argument.

And nor does repeating one line of yours every single time and that also a line about the past.

Read this along with me.
Read it carefully,

If you don't mind, can you please link me the actual web for this article? Thanks and please do read below, regarding Kabul and Kandahar and this article. And it's funny how on one hand you give me American news link as source and on other hand call me an Western brainwash, LOL.

Even New York Times admits the importance of Kandahar, yet our sister here thinks I am spreading blasphemy

Did I ever in any of my posts say Kandahar has got no importance at all in Afghanistan? No, but you keep claiming it's the most important province of Afghanistan and Kandahar is what's all about, because it's not. Even though Kandahar is in ruins today, still other Afghans are alive and well.......

Kabul province is under control and its a joke. Kandahar is where its at. Was at. Always will be at.

Did you ever wonder why Kabul got under control? That's because Kabuli's themselves preferred NATO and Northern Alliance over Taliban and that's why it didn't take USA too long to get Afghan support in taking over the province. Otherwise look at what has happened in the past in Kabul and how Mujahideen were struggling to impose their power on Kabul, because their people were on different sides! Kandahari's are majority on Taliban side, that's why USA is struggling in 'converting' their view. Just like how Nangarhari's decided to give up on Taliban and therefore USA doesn't even have to bother work out it's power there. Hope you got the point.

This is a minority, an overwhelming minority. When a Tajik marrys a Pashtun girl. Pashto is lost. Its the guy who rules the show in our patriarchal society, We dont live in a matriarchal society dear.

Is it? Is that the reason why 90% of those Pukhtoon men who married Tajik's did not only lose their language but also their culture to Tajik's? Out of experience I can at least say that we, Pukhtana's, are much stronger in holding our culture and language tight.

They have to make PASHTO the language of Business.
They have to WRITE books like Kandaharis have, preferably like Habibi.
They have to make PASHTO schools and teach all their children Pashto.
They have to stop using dari when it comes to business and counting.
They have to teach their children Pashtunwali.
They have to also make sure their children realize Pashto is the way to go.

Sorry to disturb you here, but wasn't education exactly the thing your beloved Taliban are against? Then why even bother when other provinces use Dari as their sources in education and business? And even this Wardaki family I know who are die-hard Taliban fan still count in Dari, LOL.

Look now we have this great forums to show the world how successful and good people we are. This website should serve for us to learn people.

Ehhh, right. I was talking about real-life but never mind.

Yes it does. It provides job for Baghwans that come from other provinces.

What about education for children? Or will they stay happy gardeners for the rest of their lives while other Afghans reach the level of doctors, engineers, etcetera?

I doubt that, But Ill agree for the sake of PF.

It doesn't even matter whether you doubt or not. Even Laila from this Forum could clarify that 80% of Laghmani Pukhtoons are originally Kandahari's and 20% are originally Paktiawals, because like me she also is a Laghmani Pukhtana.

You should take pride in Kandahar. If you ever come to Kandahar with your husband We own a 50 room Mansion. You are invited. I will give you 2rooms you can stay in. If you are nice to me I might give you 3.

That's really impressive, but may I know how you were able to built such a mansion?; Since Taliban era or since last few years?

Good and bad exist in all. I agree with that. But that is what Tajks did to Pashtuns as well. Taliban took revenge. and they did a good job in taking revenge. They made plenty of Tajiks learn Pashto.

My in-laws and people who lived in their area all could speak Pukhto because a lot of them married Pukhtana's, but they weren't Tajik's; They are all Nurestani's and very patriotic Afghans. Just the fact they weren't Pukhtoons and not everyone spoke Pukhto as their first language gave Taliban enough right to treat them they way they wanted to. Did you know that even Tajik's were supporting Taliban when they newly came to power, but changed their minds since Taliban forced Pukhto and Pukhtunwali on them?

I like nangarhar. no problems with them. If only they did not use dari as their language for business,sadly.

Things are changing there and they are definitely one of the most patriotic Pukhtoons ever and the thing I liked about Nangarhar was that Pukhtoons from all over Afghanistan are living there and even Pekhawri's starting to live there. Besides the language, today Nangarhari's are doing us truly proud.

N.A propaganda has worked good and your family I see. Shame,shame.

Yup, anyone who dares utter a word against Taliban is brainwashed while those brainless creatures called Taliban should be the one showing us civilisation, LOL.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Afghanistan and Pashtuns from Pakhtunkhwa should take the example of the tribal Pashtun region, where 99.9 percent of people all SPEAK PUSHTO, there is no DARI AND THERE IS NO URDU, have some shame people.

Also Shes absolutely right, I know a pashtun who wanted to join the ANA, and he was refused because he could not speak Dari, That tells you alot of the situation of Pushto in Afghanistan.

Roara Sangar knows alot about the status of pushto in Afghanistan, he said that in Kabul, if a Pashtun student speaks pushto, he wud be slapped and hit, because Pushto is seen as a bad language

[Badlun]

No doubt Kandahar is a great Pashtun city and Pashto is the only language used for writing and speaking which is not the case as in cities like Peshawar , Quetta etc where Pashto is only spoken never written.

In Pakistan Pashto is used for speaking in Pashtun areas but never for writing. Even in tribal areas in Pakistan Pashto is just used for speaking never for writing. This is a deplorable situation which must be improved.

Any other city like Kandahar can be Jalal Abad where Pashto is used for speaking as well as writing. No other city can be compared with Kandahar for the status of Pashto.

However we should try to make all Pashtun cities and villages like Kandahar. Kandahar can be a model but not the whole picture. Only Kandahar cant save Pashto. Out of 70 millions of Pashtuns only 2 million live in Kandahar.

Kabul, Quetta, Peshawar and Jalal abad must be great centres for the development of Pashto language and culture and its influence must extend to all the pashtun cities, towns, villages and homes.

Specially in Kabul Pashto must have its due status as the world knows a country by its capital where all centres of business, pòlitics and culkture usually exist.

We instead of fighting with each other may chalk out pragmatic strategies how every Pashtun city can become like Kandahar.

[Zahed]

Sister, I literally smacked myself in the face when you said they were against education, were you really serious? Did the Northern Alliance newspapers really get to your head that bad? What is next? Taliban raped woman every night?

why would u smack urself for the truth? right after Taliban came to Afghanistan my family returned to Kabul and Jalalabad but went back to Peshawer within a year 'cuz all girls school got closed! women were living like a living corpse but yet u 're proud of Taliban 'cuz they made Pashtu national language??? talk about literacy right here.

[Zahed]

Roara Sangar knows alot about the status of pushto in Afghanistan, he said that in Kabul, if a Pashtun student speaks pushto, he wud be slapped and hit, because Pushto is seen as a bad language

ok now that's highly exaggerated! its true that there is tension between Tajeks 'n Pashtoons in Kabul but none gets beaten for speaking Dari or Pashtu, that's definitely not true.

[Farhan88]

Well said Osho.
lets hope Shayesta actually learned someting from what you said.

Lol I just find it strange and at same time funny how Shayesta khor made exactly same point but yet even after discussing in paraghraphs u two missed out on eachother. Even she was saying only Kandahar cannot save Pashto and since Kabul is in centre of attention in entire world, its Kabul where status of Pashto should improve. Only of Afghanistan u 'll hear people talk about is Kabul, tho in Pakistan Jalalabad is ''more popular''. And don't be too proud of Taliban, I remember how empty our area in Peshawer became after Afghan refugees left towards Afghanistan, thinking Taliban 'll provide them better future. But just few months later double of those who had left, returned to Peshawer and they were complaining that Taliban is even worse than Mujahideens and that women should be at home 24/7. Now what do I make of this?

[Farhan88]

There are good and bad Taliban.
I remember in Kandahar some Taliban were very nice and they respected me a lot. They called me big brother.
a lot of you here, Shayesta and etc. Are exagerrating their role.

Taliban were only nice to Pashtuns and that also to the people of south in particular. Taliban had to understand that Afghanistan does not only belong to Pashtuns and should have respected other ethnics' territory as well. Looks like u as a Hindu liked them despite of them being extreme radical Muslims, but come to Southall once and see what Afghan Sikhs have to say about Taliban.

[Shayesta]

I never said I supported them. I just appreciate their contributions to Pashto. They made Pashto the national language.

Okay, and is there anything they have done for national unity? And if they didn't want unity with other ethnics then why not just divide into North and South?

They got rid of many corruption.

Really?

If you are a Muslim, You should have no objections to Islamic Shariah, which at this point I hope you are.

Did your Muslim brothers called Taliban themselves know that a woman shouldn't be oppressed and nor should you oppress other ethnics, just because they did not happen to be Pukhtoons? Teach your Taliban brothers Islam first, not me.

Because of sold out people. For a couple of dollars Northern Alliance was buying people out. Look at how HOSPITABLE our people are, Taliban captured Ismail khan for years, and he is still in good shape. Even when we are at war, we are hospitable. People are taking advantage of this.

LOL, what the hell does this have to do with Pukhto being an official language after two centuries?

Again, I feel smacking myself. You did not read the article I sent you now did you? If you are not going to read what I send you then I feel very bad.

No, I did read the article. Despite of it's length I read it till the end. And what I understood there is that Kandahari's are not willing to give up on Taliban, that's why US is struggling in changing their thinking. I also understood that historically it has been a very successful province and I myself never disagreed on that, but what I am asking you now is; Are Kandahari's getting chance to get a proper education? Are they able to show their ability in sports? Is the province profiting economically like other major provinces? In today's world, things such as pride, great history, stubbornness and etcetera don't work. Technology works, education works, economy works. These things make a province progress and important and until Kandahari's keep behind Taliban's back, these things are far out of reach and that very same Kandahar which once used to be mentioned by Pukhtoons with pride, will (Khudai de neki) later on be mentioned by Pukhtoons in a sad tone. Besides being the main centre for Taliban and struggle for the USA, what other importance does Kandahar presently hold?

Again, This is not something that will brainwash you. Its not spreading propaganda,

What about the part where they state 'Taliban activities'? Or is that one particular part only a 'brainwash' trick?

when I provide you proof that educated scholars who are even non Pashtun consider KANDAHAR to be more important you start using reverse psychology, cut it off.

I could see that this man is writing this story from his own view, but even then I guess I missed the part where he said 'Kandahar is more important'? I did get it he said since Kandahari's are on Taliban side and therefore it's hard for USA to get Kandahar under control, but couldn't that be the reason why Kandahar might be seen as an 'important' province? Provinces like Kabul, Nangarhar, Mazar and Herat (the province which once used to provide around half of the Afghan national income) are already out of Taliban support and that's the reason why they are so successful and that's why USA doesn't even have to struggle there. But Kandahar is also one of the greatest provinces which along with these provinces has been very important for Afghanistan, but since that's the only province out of five great provinces which does supports Taliban, couldn't that be the reason for US 'struggle'? Don't you think USA would have struggled same way against those other four provinces if they also supported Taliban?

Yup, Taliban are Pashtuns. Every fricking Tajik supports Masood. Masood was a KGB dog. Yet Tajiks support him cause he is Tajik.

I could say the same thing about you; You support Taliban because they were Pukhtoons, even though they were Pakistani dogs. Fair enough?

But we have Pashtanas like you here already badmouthing ever Pashtun faction we had.

Every faction as in who? Taliban, because they spread oppression in many ways? Abdur Rahman Khan, who sold half of Afghanistan to former British India? Zahir Shah, who refused to speak even a word of Pukhto? Do you want me to praise these 'factions' just because they were Pukhtoons? I had rather praise Pukhtoons like Amanullah Khan for trying his level best to modernise Afghanistan. Pukhtoons like Baba who truly made Pukhtoons' power shine. Pukhtoons like Mirwais Khan Hotaki who fought for Pukhtoons's rights. Heck, I had rather praise Mohammad Najibullah for at least not spreading ethical hatred! But your Taliban? Never!

They spread lies against Taliban and Bada boom Shayesta khor is sold!

And who are 'they'? The very same Americans who wrote the article you just linked me where it very clearly was stated that Taliban was putting activities such as beheading people, banning women from work and studies, banning amusement areas, etcetera in action? Indeed buddy, know your source first.

Not just Kandaharis. The South and the east. Look at what recently happened in Kunar.

Uhh, it says 'Nurestan area' wrora and I don't think I need to tell you that Nurestan is being resided by Nurestani's, do I?

Back home if you say they do, You are lying to yourself.

Uhh, both Tajik men and women don't say no Pukhto, it's our own Pukhtoons who say 'NO' to Pukhto when they marry Tajik's. But as far as I saw in Afghanistan, every person with Pukhtana mother and Tajik father was fluent in Pukhto, while those with Tajik mother and Pukhtoon father refused to speak in Pukhto. That's why I am happy my family is a very strong exception from all that sh*t.

Taliban against education. CAN SOMEONE HERE SHOOT ME IN MY FACE?

You can ask Zahed wror or Farhan wror to do it because even they said the same thing and even my reason (like they both mentioned) to leave Jalalabad for Pekhawer was education. There you go.

They never really "FORCED" it. They just said its the national language. They were not visiting peoples house beating em up to learn it or anything. If that is what you consider "Force" by all means.

By forcing I mean leaving people with no option than to do what you want them to do, and (indirectly) blackmailing them to give up everything of their own just to meet the 'Pukhtoon standard'. Clear enough?

[MazloomyarMaseed]

Shayesta, I think you misunderstood Shlombas point.

He made a point that I agree wit. Kandahar plays a major role compared to Kabul in politics.


The current war is war against Taliban.
Talibans capital was Kandahar.
Their birthplace was Kandahar.
Pashtuns call Kandahar there cultural stronghold.

obviously it will play a bigger role do you agree?

Say all Taliban are not bad does not mean you support them.

He also said not all Taliban are bad.
Taliban are Afghans. It means a student. You are also a Taliban if you are a student.

Pashtuns in Afghanistan may call Kandahar their home not Pashtuns in Pakhtunkhwa

Secondly, not all taliban are Afghans and for you to say they were born in Kandahar is totally wrong, because you as like many ignore the ISI and Pakistani factor into it.

Taliban may mean student, but that doesnt mean students of other faiths will be in the taliban movement.

Tell me, when Americans invaded, where did the Taliban flee too? did they go to Kandahar or Pakistan?

[Shayesta]

^ And very unfortunately, it will always be the bad ones who will rule.

a lot of you here, Shayesta and etc. Are exagerrating their role.

If you think I am exaggerating, then you haven't met Pukhtoons from North yet. Taliban were okay with my family as well, because they were Pukhtoons. Only once my family was stopped because my mother wasn't wearing a Chadari and that made them hold my uncle for two hours. To Pukhtoons they were indeed okay, even today they are in some places of Jalalabad but they don't interfere with women and especially Pukhtana's, but they are just not the right leaders and the way they are following is just wrong by all means. Niceness isn't enough buddy, even I am nice to Pakistani's and they are nice to me, but that doesn't mean we are (political) friends.......

He made a point that I agree wit. Kandahar plays a major role compared to Kabul in politics.

And you missed my point, my dear. Reason why right now USA is more concerned about Kandahar than Kabul is because Kabul is fighting against Taliban, that's why Afghan policemen and soldiers are enough to take responsibility of security in Kabul. But Kandahar isn't gonna give up on Taliban and like I said before, Afghanistan's most important five provinces have always been Kabul, Herat, Mazar, Nangarhar and Kandahar. Presence of Taliban in those other provinces isn't as strong as in Kandahar.

obviously it will play a bigger role do you agree?

Yes, I agree that it's very important a final decision is taken upon Kandahar so that we know where Afghanistan is standing now. But I was talking about economical importance, educational importance, security importance, etcetera. When Kabul was in ruins years back, do you remember how entire Afghanistan was in ruins? Why? Because that was and is the capital. And today Kandahar is in ruins but yet other provinces are doing their 'thing' and I am very happy to see some provinces progress massively as compared to Taliban era.

Say all Taliban are not bad does not mean you support them.

This is not about whether Taliban were good human beings or not; This is about whether Taliban was a good leader or not, and according to me that's a no. Yes, they did make Pukhto only national language but Afghanistan needed education, we needed to fight poverty, we needed national unity, we had to give all ethnics equal rights to shine, women needed freedom to study and work. Only being a 'good person' isn't enough, you should have capability to actually manage an entire country with hundreds non-Pukhtoon ethnics. Now I am not saying that Hamid Karzai is a perfect leader (not even close) but that doesn't mean that we should turn our support to Taliban again, just because Karzai didn't prove to be much better. Karzai is a Western puppet, Taliban an Pakistani puppet; Simple as that.

Secondly, not all taliban are Afghans and for you to say they were born in Kandahar is totally wrong, because you as like many ignore the ISI and Pakistani factor into it.

Exactly. Even ISI admits they were behind Taliban but yet Taliban supporters call others 'brainwashed'. Even Uzbek Taliban in Waziristan is being supported by ISI and Pakistani Army, but make my dear Afghans understand this.

[MazloomyarMaseed]

^ And very unfortunately, it will always be the bad ones who will rule.


If you think I am exaggerating, then you haven't met Pukhtoons from North yet. Taliban were okay with my family as well, because they were Pukhtoons. Only once my family was stopped because my mother wasn't wearing a Chadari and that made them hold my uncle for two hours. To Pukhtoons they were indeed okay, even today they are in some places of Jalalabad but they don't interfere with women and especially Pukhtana's, but they are just not the right leaders and the way they are following is just wrong by all means. Niceness isn't enough buddy, even I am nice to Pakistani's and they are nice to me, but that doesn't mean we are (political) friends.......


And you missed my point, my dear. Reason why right now USA is more concerned about Kandahar than Kabul is because Kabul is fighting against Taliban, that's why Afghan policemen and soldiers are enough to take responsibility of security in Kabul. But Kandahar isn't gonna give up on Taliban and like I said before, Afghanistan's most important five provinces have always been Kabul, Herat, Mazar, Nangarhar and Kandahar. Presence of Taliban in those other provinces isn't as strong as in Kandahar.


Yes, I agree that it's very important a final decision is taken upon Kandahar so that we know where Afghanistan is standing now. But I was talking about economical importance, educational importance, security importance, etcetera. When Kabul was in ruins years back, do you remember how entire Afghanistan was in ruins? Why? Because that was and is the capital. And today Kandahar is in ruins but yet other provinces are doing their 'thing' and I am very happy to see some provinces progress massively as compared to Taliban era.


This is not about whether Taliban were good human beings or not; This is about whether Taliban was a good leader or not, and according to me that's a no. Yes, they did make Pukhto only national language but Afghanistan needed education, we needed to fight poverty, we needed national unity, we had to give all ethnics equal rights to shine, women needed freedom to study and work. Only being a 'good person' isn't enough, you should have capability to actually manage an entire country with hundreds non-Pukhtoon ethnics. Now I am not saying that Hamid Karzai is a perfect leader (not even close) but that doesn't mean that we should turn our support to Taliban again, just because Karzai didn't prove to be much better. Karzai is a Western puppet, Taliban an Pakistani puppet; Simple as that.


Exactly. Even ISI admits they were behind Taliban but yet Taliban supporters call others 'brainwashed'. Even Uzbek Taliban in Waziristan is being supported by ISI and Pakistani Army, but make my dear Afghans understand this.

Dear

You should tell them that a Punjabi by the name of Usman Punjabi is a commander of the Punjabi Taliban, there is also a Saraiki Taliban groups as well, Taliban does not work for Pashtun rights, you should ask these Talib supporters to please provide us visual or audio evidence that Taliban speak of Pashtun Unity or even a Pashtunistan. They dont, they just speak of the usual Alqueda Hamas Arab Unity non sense, they dont even use the word Pashtun, they replace it with Muslim.

Punjabi Taliban, Uzbek Taliban of Waziristan, my cousin even saw Tajiks from Tajikistan in the taliban movement of Waziristan.

They avoid this, they sit in the west, and watch these videos but never taste the reality.

Regards

[BLS_1919v2.0]

In peshawar you speak in pashto to do business as well. The only problem is that they are using urdu numbers and the education system is pakistani so it is either in urdu or pashto. Kandahar has its place, so does ningrahar, so does peshawar as well as people of mianzanee Pashtunkhwa. If it wasn't for the people of mianzanee pashtunkhwa, third anglo-afghan would be a defeat...we owe love to all our pashtun areas.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Can Tor Khan shed some light on status of Pashto in Peshawar? Many members here would disagree with you BLS.

Since you have not been to Kandahar, I doubt you can compare the two. In Peshawar Urdu is main language, I doubt it is Pashto. I heard Hindko is used in Peshawar city, not even Pashto. Kandahar on the other hand, 100% Pashto. Languages like Dari,Hindko are just as alien to them like French and German. Business is in Pashto. Tajiks,Uzbeks all speak Pashto.

But I have a lot of love for Peshwar, Peshawar holds a special place in my heart. All Pashtun provinces I love equally. If it wasn't for the Hotaki tribe of Kandahar, many of you would have been speaking Dari. Including yourself.

Peera I have lived in Peshawar. The reality is that in peshawar the lingua franca is pashto. However the education system and writing is in urdu or english. You can't really live in peshawar in ease without knowing pashto. Even hindko speakers and parsibaan can speak pashto in peshawar. I am not comparing it to kandahar nor saying it is better (or worse for that matter). I just wanted to clear some misconceptions.

[Azmatullah]

They dont, they just speak of the usual Alqueda Hamas Arab Unity non sense, they dont even use the word Pashtun, they replace it with Muslim.

Are they not singing about their country and people in these songs you've uploaded on your YouTube account? This is contradicting what you have just said... hmmm..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lnu9Q-6eiw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA0-_LVF5Cw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcE_8ypVCPU

Why don't you delete these videos, or do you not mind spreading Taleban ''propaganda'' on the net?

[Zemaryalai]

The only place where Dari is spoken is in the city and that is because it is Tajik populated. You are so wrong there, Kabul plays no role in Afghan politics presently, Its all about KANDAHAR. Have you not been checking the news lately? Kandahar is where everything is at. It was a Kandahari who founded Afghanistan. It was a Kandahari who ruled India. It was a Kandahari who ruled Persia, It was a Kandahari who wrote Pata khazana (our most important contribution to Pashto) It was a Kandaharis who stood up for Pashto language.

Afghanistans most largest ethnic group is Pashtuns, all Pashtuns pay tributes and respect to their cultural capital and center which is Kandahar, a province with nearly 2million people according to Al Jazeera. When the Taliban ruled Afghanistan, the Capital was Kabul or Kandahar? answer that one carefully make sure you do your research.


Even the Americans have admitted its Kandahar that plays the most important role, It was Kandaharis who created the Taliban as well, Tsk tsk.

It was Kandahar that was the first Capital, It was a Kandahari who shifted the Capital, Tsk tsk.

Your fabrications based on false history. Our most important form of history is oral history, I can create a website and say Pashtuns are now 10 percent. Someone just like you will be quoting it and using it as a fact.

Pashto is by far, the most spoken language in Afghanistan.

However, Dari is used more for ADMINISTRATIVE purposes, because many Pashtuns are too busy in war, defending the nang of our country as compared to writing books in Pashto. Who has not worked for Pashto? Ahmad Shah was a proud Kandahary, Everyone knows that Farsi or Dari does not even exist in Kandahar,


We have a Joke, We kandaharis are so alienated to Dari, that some of us think Peshawari Pashto is probably Dari. Like "Is that Dari? Is the Dari a form of Pashto?" I know another member has also used the same example here.

He had a Persian wife so what? Persian culture? Listen missy, we Pashtuns dont like forcing our culture on others. We are not Arabs. If we Pashtuns get in a bad mood, best believe that we can have every Tajik in the country speaking Pashto, Its part of our hospitality to not force our language on others.


I dont have time to respond to everyone, I did not even see all his posts. If I am here responding and putting you in check, dont you think I could have done the same to anyone else?


Missy, can you please stop quoting me out of context.
When I said Pashtuns are 30 percent, I was TELLING YOU people NOWADAYS say we are 30 percent. Re-read my statement, dont take my posts out of context and out of tone. Look at the way I worded it.


Pashto was always an important language, we never had a stable government, All our leaders were sold out, except the Taliban.

All of your posts so far are misleading. Kandahar is nothing today my dear Kandahari. Kandahar is being bombarded and pillaged internally and externally. Your claim that Dari and Dariwans are not found in Kandahar is a lie and shows you have never been to Kandahar city. Anyone from Kandahar knows that there is a big Tajik-Shia population living inside the city and some Hazara villages around the city. All of these people speak dari and the interesting part is that I have seen many Kandaharis speaking dari with these minority dariwans in Kandahar rather than the minority communicating in the language of the majority. Let me give you an example. Go watch this BBC report from Kandahar which was broadcasted by BBC Dari. Many Kandaharis in this recent report are speaking Dari rather than Pashto.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/afghanistan/2010/05/100523_kandahar_women.shtml

In 2005 Habibullah Rafi, a pashto scholar, condemned Ahmad Shah Baba's sons and grandsons for abandoning Pashto. Did you know Temor Shah, Shah Shuja, Shah Zaman were Dari poets and their poetry still exists in dari. They even have poems that praise khurasaan and other dari poets and writers.

Pashtuns have nothing in Afghanistan today. Our people are fighting a war that will only destroy us and our scholars and weak nationalists are serving their Dariwan/Tajik masters and 40 international countries. Panjsheris and Tajiks have taken over most of Kabul province and have even invaded places like logar and most Pashtuns who lived in the North have been kicked out by Tajik warlords and many are being killed right now in Baghlan and Kunduz (they are using the excuse that these pashtuns are helping the taliban there). If Kandahar was important then why is money being poured into Tajik cities like Herat Mazar and Kabul but not Kandahar. recently a railroad was inaugerated between Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Mazar but the government is unable to do such a project between Pakhtunkhwa and Kandahar. Why did the US build a colsulate general in Herat and Mazar but not in Kandahar. Everyday Kandaharis and Pashtuns are being condemned by everyone and we are labelled as Druglords, Terrorists, and warlords by everyone.

People like you should stop dreaming and should realize the truth. dreaming will not help us but if we realize the truth that Afghanistan is failing, Pashtuns are powerless, and Afghanistan is being disintegrated by Dariwans and their Kharasaan might be formed soon we will have time by then to prevent most of these atrocities and to come up with a better strategy.

Anyone who does not agree with my points should watch this Peace Jirga that is being held right now. The speaker and chairman of the Jirga is a Tajik criminal and warlord, Borhanudin Rabani. Was there no other Pashtun to direct this Pashtun jirga?