North Waziristan tribes wary of brutal foreigners

[Toramana]

When drones kill a key militant leader or fighter, the Ittehad-e-Mujahedeen-e-Khurasan (IMK), a relatively less-known alliance of all local and foreign militant outfits, kill innocent people belonging to local Utmanzai and Dawar tribes, accusing them of spying. The murders have created more hatred for the foreigners. Most of the killings are carried out by Uzbek and Arab members of the IMK, tribal elders say.

http://www.thefridaytimes.com/beta2/...0111014&page=4

[al-arab]

More senseless hate from you.

I quote from your article;

"Local tribesmen do not approve of the presence of foreign militants, especially the Uzbeks and Punjabis, because they encroach the tribes' lands and are insensitive to local customs"

"The most important militant group operating in the region is the Haqqani Network, an Afghan insurgent group led by Maulvi Jalaluddin Haqqani. Haqqani left his native Khost province and settled in North Waziristan as an exile during the republican Afghan government of Sardar Mohammad Dauod Khan in early 1970s. His son Sirajuddin, popularly known as Khaleefa, who became a key insurgent leader in the Afghanistan in mid 1980s, manages the network's organisation from the Danday Darpakhel village near Miramshah in North Waziristan and carries out attacks on US and NATO forces in Afghanistan, according to security experts and local elders."

"The second most important group in North Waziristan is led-by Hafiz Gul Bahadur, a key militant leader known for hosting foreign militants. Bahadur was announced as Naib Amir (deputy head) under the leadership of Baitullah Mehsud upon the formation of the 2007 Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan (TTP), an umbrella organisation of various militant groups operating in FATA. However Bahadur later formed an anti-TTP bloc by joining hands with Maulvi Nazir's South Waziristan based group because of disagreements over TTP attacks against the Pakistani security forces and tribal rivalries of Mehsuds. The Haqqani Network and Bahadur are considered 'good Taliban' by the Pakistan military authorities as they don't carry out attacks inside Pakistan and focus only on Afghanistan."

The article mentions Arabs ONCE without providing any quote or number of them. The quote on the ofther hand only mention Uzbeks, Punjabis and Pakistan as the big problem.

Then there is a claim of some Arab presence linked to Al Qaeda. According to most sources (do a quick search yourself) there is less than 150 active Al-Qaeda fighters in Afghanistan and Pakistan (where Al-Qaeda is the strongest together with Yemen)

Another pointless and rascist thread. I thought you would do us a favour and leave the forum if you continue your racism.

[Soldat_Amir]

OH deary me.

Waziristan is flooded by Radical Arabs, Arabs are the ring leaders, they are the commanders, the field officers, the men in charge of logistics etc.

Al Arab...............We in Waziristan dont want your sort there, we want you out, go back to Iraq,Tunisia, Saudi Arabia or any other Arab despot country!

Haqqani is a mass murderer and a traitor, he works for ISI and Saudi Intelligence!

[Tjanaparh]

Al-Arab - at least we are guests here - the Pashtuns can surely resove their problems themselves! Its out of every education to come to someones even virtual house and using the inner conflict to aggitate the people in such tones.
That is not the right way !
It is nor Arabic, nor Armenian , nor Bengali forum. If we are here than we can discuss interesting themes on Culture, Language and Faith - divide an oppinion but not command.
The Pashtun people can surely themselves decide who is Pashtun and who not and can discuss it between themselves.
Its highly uneducated as a guest to command!

[al-arab]

OH deary me.

Waziristan is flooded by Radical Arabs, Arabs are the ring leaders, they are the commanders, the field officers, the men in charge of logistics etc.

Al Arab...............We in Waziristan dont want your sort there, we want you out, go back to Iraq,Tunisia, Saudi Arabia or any other Arab despot country!

Haqqani is a mass murderer and a traitor, he works for ISI and Saudi Intelligence!

Not only and there is still little evidence of a huge number of Arabs. Show me some statistic instead.

Should I know tell you that we don't want Pashtuns in the Arab world? What is the point of your racist remarks?

Who do you support in Afghanistan? Communists? From you comments I see that you are one of the biggest hypocrits together with Toramana. You are to afraid to tell everyone here what you are, who you support but you are the first to generalize a whole group of people that number 350-400 people worldwide because of some radicals in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Well done.

What about Taliban? Are they not a WAY bigger problem? From what I can see their numbers are 100 higher as are their support. And from what I know they are Pashtuns, not Arabs.

Stop your hypocrisy it is getting tiring and embarrassing for you.

[al-arab]

Al-Arab - at least we are guests here - the Pashtuns can surely resove their problems themselves! Its out of every education to come to someones even virtual house and using the inner conflict to aggitate the people in such tones.
That is not the right way !
It is nor Arabic, nor Armenian , nor Bengali forum. If we are here than we can discuss interesting themes on Culture, Language and Faith - divide an oppinion but not command.
The Pashtun people can surely themselves decide who is Pashtun and who not and can discuss it between themselves.
Its highly uneducated as a guest to command!

I "command" or what you call it, when I see racism from the same "man" without any reasons. This is my right as a Muslim, Arab and human, so excuse me very much.

Nor have never told anybody how they should live on this forum. So please....

[Tjanaparh]

You have the right do defend Yourself, thats right! You have the right judge racism ! But are doing even quiet different things by the way. Perhaps you did it without bad thought , but then calm - and reread Your postings!

[al-arab]

You have the right do defend Yourself, thats right! You have the right judge racism ! But are doing even quiet different things by the way. Perhaps you did it without bad thought , but then calm - and reread Your postings!

What do I do then?

This racism and hypocrit have posted 3 different anti-Arab threads in 24 hours without any reason. This "man" claims to be Muslim, but his behaviour is very un-Islamic. He claims to be Pashtun, but is afraid to tell which tribe he belongs to, who he supports and were he lives. This "man" racist record is incredible and I have only been here for 3 days. Look and see the moderation thread. Even today other people tell the same story of him, this time a South Asian from India. Do you not see the problem in all that?

What have I done to him exactly? Show me it? Where have I said other thing that Afghans should be ruled by Afghans? The only thing I said (this is my own opinion) that Islam should be the key of the society.

As is your Armenian Christian Church and traditions in Armenia. Or any other Christian society.

[Tjanaparh]

That is not the point dear! I am against every racism - but! As we are here foreigners - his tribe shouldn't interest You! That can decide Pashtun between themselves.
Please reread Your postings and You will understand - because even some Pashtuns who are clearly against the viewing point of Toramana critisized You. Will that have a reason ?

[al-arab]

That is not the point dear! I am against every racism - but! As we are here foreigners - his tribe shouldn't interest You! That can decide Pashtun between themselves.
Please reread Your postings and You will understand - because even some Pashtuns who are clearly against the viewing point of Toramana critisized You. Will that have a reason ?

I am not foreigner as my mothers family have distant Pashtun ancestry (among many others). So I am probably less a foreigner than him. I also wrote this in my first post.

Read what I wrote. I did not talk about me being interested in his tribe. I only wrote that for him to call other people for extremists, (apart from his obvious racism toward anything that is foreign for him) he need to show his truth self. I he supports Taliban then he should not talk about extremist or educate others.

Who critized me apart from him and his fellow companion (the communist Soldat-Amir)?

Nobody. If you don't belive see all my posts.

[Soldat_Amir]

Not only and there is still little evidence of a huge number of Arabs. Show me some statistic instead.

Should I know tell you that we don't want Pashtuns in the Arab world? What is the point of your racist remarks?

Who do you support in Afghanistan? Communists? From you comments I see that you are one of the biggest hypocrits together with Toramana. You are to afraid to tell everyone here what you are, who you support but you are the first to generalize a whole group of people that number 350-400 people worldwide because of some radicals in Afghanistan/Pakistan.

Well done.

What about Taliban? Are they not a WAY bigger problem? From what I can see their numbers are 100 higher as are their support. And from what I know they are Pashtuns, not Arabs.

Stop your hypocrisy it is getting tiring and embarrassing for you.

Hypocrisy?

I come from South Waziristan, and little Arab boy, I know my realities very well, Arabs run Waziristan from start to end. Miram Shah Shura is ran by a Iraqi Arab, Wana Market is packed full of Arabs from the middle east, Makeen has elements of Arabs patrolling the villages and markets, over 300 tribal elders have been killed by orders from Arab commanders to silence the natives from rebellion.

I know my facts very well, and I dont support Arab terrorists on Pashtun soil. You destroy the fabric of society, you retard peoples minds, you introduce nothing good besides suicide bombing, the public execution of women and stoning of children, you roam around influcing people the wrong direction.

Taliban is inspired by your Arab clerics, by your Arab Islam, they have left their peaceful Pashtun Islam, that was musical, spirtual and progressive, now, Pashtun hewad is plagued with Arab virus! Most of the people killed by Drones happen to Arabs or some foreigner.

I dont need figures! just go to the region and see the mess the Arabs have caused to the people, from the suicide bombing camps, the maddrassahs to the Saudi printed litrature being printed all over Waziristan,Orakzai Agency,Tirah and Afghanistan.

Go and fight Israel, go bring Sharia to Israelis, we Pashtuns dont need you nor your deluded way of handling daily issues.

I SUPPORT ANYTHING BUT NOT ARAB MILITANCY IN PASHTUN HEWAD.

I dont support public stonings, public beheadings, gender segregation, forcing women to wear burqas etc etc!

[khushal]

OH deary me.

Waziristan is flooded by Radical Arabs, Arabs are the ring leaders, they are the commanders, the field officers, the men in charge of logistics etc.

Al Arab...............We in Waziristan dont want your sort there, we want you out, go back to Iraq,Tunisia, Saudi Arabia or any other Arab despot country!

Haqqani is a mass murderer and a traitor, he works for ISI and Saudi Intelligence!

this is all made up non sense. I have a read a report that there were 10,000 uzbeks in waziristan and moved to helmand.
Taliban 'invite' 10,000 Uzbeks to Helmand - Telegraph

How could they move and how could they be undetected. It is impossible. there were 8,000 taliban fighters in the north during the 2001 US invasion and none could escape. They had to surrender. How could 10,000 uzbeks travel the country undetected. The militants in waziristan as well as helmand are overwhelmingly pashtun tribesmen.

[al-arab]

this is all made up non sense. I have a read a report that there were 10,000 uzbeks in waziristan and moved to helmand.
Taliban 'invite' 10,000 Uzbeks to Helmand - Telegraph

How could they move and how could they be undetected. It is impossible. there were 8,000 taliban fighters in the north during the 2001 US invasion and none could escape. They had to surrender. How could 10,000 uzbeks travel the country undetected. The militants in waziristan as well as helmand are overwhelmingly pashtun tribesmen.

Thank you for saying the truth everybody knows.

[al-arab]

Hypocrisy?

I come from South Waziristan, and little Arab boy, I know my realities very well, Arabs run Waziristan from start to end. Miram Shah Shura is ran by a Iraqi Arab, Wana Market is packed full of Arabs from the middle east, Makeen has elements of Arabs patrolling the villages and markets, over 300 tribal elders have been killed by orders from Arab commanders to silence the natives from rebellion.

I know my facts very well, and I dont support Arab terrorists on Pashtun soil. You destroy the fabric of society, you retard peoples minds, you introduce nothing good besides suicide bombing, the public execution of women and stoning of children, you roam around influcing people the wrong direction.

Taliban is inspired by your Arab clerics, by your Arab Islam, they have left their peaceful Pashtun Islam, that was musical, spirtual and progressive, now, Pashtun hewad is plagued with Arab virus! Most of the people killed by Drones happen to Arabs or some foreigner.

I dont need figures! just go to the region and see the mess the Arabs have caused to the people, from the suicide bombing camps, the maddrassahs to the Saudi printed litrature being printed all over Waziristan,Orakzai Agency,Tirah and Afghanistan.

Go and fight Israel, go bring Sharia to Israelis, we Pashtuns dont need you nor your deluded way of handling daily issues.

I SUPPORT ANYTHING BUT NOT ARAB MILITANCY IN PASHTUN HEWAD.

I dont support public stonings, public beheadings, gender segregation, forcing women to wear burqas etc etc!

I want to see prove of all this and I this is truth you need to remember that not all Arabs are like this. We are talking about 400 million peoples. I have told you this before. Would it not be a stupid thing and disrespect for most Pashtuns if I said that you Pashtuns all belong to the radical Taliban? Or a racist nationalists? Answer this question.

Arab Islam? You are disrespecting the religion of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) and Muslims. Do you know that?

There is no such thing called Pashtun, Arab or Pakistani Islam. Islam is Islam. Saying otherwise is Kafir. And you know that.

But since you are a self-confessed communism (the ideology that have killed most people) I can't use your comments for anything other than saying you are a hypocrit.

Taliban is not Arab. Osama Bin Laden (an yemenite Arab) praise your Pashtuns (read, Taliban) for being the only real Islamic Emirate. The things you accuse extremists Arabs for is done by your own people and was done before Osama Bin Laden returned to Afghanistan from Sudan.

[khushal]

Thank you for saying the truth everybody knows.

soldat has never been to waziristan, he does not speak pashto. He does not know what he is talking about. He understands nothing of pashtuns.