Pashtoon/Arab Discussion

[gomal]

ahahahahaha good for you, mubaraki derta wayem, warsha, za, khpal watan ta za. dalta sta da paara hets tsa nashta, war za. khudai pa aman.

[al-arab]

But you can hate Arabs all you want to, just tells everything about you and how much of a kafir you are. Too bad for you that you are a LARGE minority among your people and the LARGE majority of other Muslims.

But this dicussion is hopeless. You have shown lack of respect from the beginning when you called me camels and Arab in generel without any reason. You also don't see the difference between zionism and jewish people /Askhenazi Jews and Jews among the times of the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.)

So I can not help you.

You also don't understand that Arabs and Jews lived peacefully with each other before the Balfour agreement and that only a small minority of Arabs (mainly Saudi Arabians) support Al Qaeda.

But I am not as stupid as you so I won't call Pashtuns extremists even though Taliban have a huge support among Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

Also I wan't talk about facts, such as heroin trade, pre-islamic tribal wars, big hate towards other muslims that are your brothers (also genetic wise, Tajiks, Punjabis etc.)

I don't expect you to reply, apart from "NO, I can tell you that all Muslims hate Arabs (only in your dreams I think)" so further debate with you is pointless.

Finally I just want to salute all other brave Pashtuns who are not infected by Zionism propaganda, narrow-minded people and so-called Pahstuns who live in UK (born and raised) who act like Kafirs, hate Arabs, support ZIONISM and don't live in a country that have invaded Pashtun lands and killed thousands of Pashtuns.

This is my final message to you.

Even though we disagree I hope that Allah Almighty can lead you in the right patch on not the direct path towards Zionism, anti-Islam and ultimately a word I only will write in Arabic. جهنم

مع السلامة

[gomal]

Wrak sha!

[Karachi]

weird thread

anyways i dont like any nationalistic person, especially when they think they are better then others and insult others. we all have our strengths and weaknesses, it is simple as that. Unfortunately we do have a lot of negative nationalism/racism in muslim countries, thats why muslims keep fighting each other. We should just look at Prophet(pbuh) how he united all the waring tribes of arabia under Islam. That is the best example of pure unity under islam

[Karachi]

It is not different Kafir. We are respected because we are the race of Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.) and most of Holy Quran evolves in Arabic land among Arabs not Indonesians or other nationalities.

Arabs are still BY FAR the largest SINGLE muslim group. Arabic is also one of the most popular languages in the world.

So you are wrong again.

Sorry but most arabs seem to be far away from islam. i mean i have been to countries like Egypt, UAE, Kuwait etc...most of the people are not islamic there. I heard Lebanon is more westernized then western countries. Even in Saudi where i lived for 14 years, almost every haram thing is done behind close doors, just outside they look/pretend to be islamic. Look how poorly south asian/africans workers and women are treated in these countries

To earn that respect you have to act right, most arabs have lost that respect that they had once, and that respect mostly came because of prophet(pbuh). Of course there are individual arabs that are really nice, but not over all generally

[Khaak]

They are crude, unsophisticated, uncourteous, kind of under-evolved, lazy and to a degree mentally retarded people....SE is an example here ...I am not saying this about all Arabs. There may be a few good Arabs as well.

And don't use Mujahid etc. to arouse sentiments here. Those Mujahids were plain pluderers in search for spoils of war i.e., "malai ghanimath".

Wrora, I used to live in Gulf then moved to Michigan which has a lot of Arabs, let me tell you I have never meet a single Arab that I could remotely like. They have this sense of superiority over other Muslims, but then they don’t know Pashtuns, allowing anyone to even think they are better then us are not in our blood. Arabs need to be thrown out of our land, we don't need these people. They can go to their land and fight.

[R3SISTANC3]

But you can hate Arabs all you want to, just tells everything about you and how much of a kafir you are. Too bad for you that you are a LARGE minority among your people and the LARGE majority of other Muslims.

But this dicussion is hopeless. You have shown lack of respect from the beginning when you called me camels and Arab in generel without any reason. You also don't see the difference between zionism and jewish people /Askhenazi Jews and Jews among the times of the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.)

So I can not help you.

You also don't understand that Arabs and Jews lived peacefully with each other before the Balfour agreement and that only a small minority of Arabs (mainly Saudi Arabians) support Al Qaeda.

But I am not as stupid as you so I won't call Pashtuns extremists even though Taliban have a huge support among Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

Also I wan't talk about facts, such as heroin trade, pre-islamic tribal wars, big hate towards other muslims that are your brothers (also genetic wise, Tajiks, Punjabis etc.)

I don't expect you to reply, apart from "NO, I can tell you that all Muslims hate Arabs (only in your dreams I think)" so further debate with you is pointless.

Finally I just want to salute all other brave Pashtuns who are not infected by Zionism propaganda, narrow-minded people and so-called Pahstuns who live in UK (born and raised) who act like Kafirs, hate Arabs, support ZIONISM and don't live in a country that have invaded Pashtun lands and killed thousands of Pashtuns.

This is my final message to you.

Even though we disagree I hope that Allah Almighty can lead you in the right patch on not the direct path towards Zionism, anti-Islam and ultimately a word I only will write in Arabic. جهنم

مع السلامة

The bigots on this website turned you into a bigot. You didn't have to defend Arabs by giving superficial examples of fake Arab superiority. Rather you could have simply asked to name one issue that is midst Arabs that is not found midst Pashtuns? All the ills of Arabs can be found in Pashtuns and vice versa.

Anyways, let me inform you that the Arab haters are those who ran away with their families when it came to defending Pashtuns/Afghans. On the other hand many Arabs left their own comforts to fight side by side Pashtuns. Though the particulars and agendas, goals, can be debated, the average Arab who came to fight against the soviets did so out of purest of intent. They came to defend Muslims against non-Muslims.

[MohannaD]

Again what's the point of this threat ?

[Soldat_Amir]

some where Pagan.. some where Zoroastrian... there are many Buddhist and Fire temples in Afghanistan...

Well, your arguing with people like graveyardofempires and emkhan, who reject any nation of a pre islamic pashtun heritage.

Pashtuns are iranic peoples. We were never born as a Islamic nation.

Please do ask, Graveyard and co, what religion was the tribes of Afghan when the Arabs and the Turks(mahmood al ghaznavi) attacked them.

Pashtuns followed Paganism, Buddism and Hindusim. Its a fact, because those faiths, dominated the region, there is historical facts that indicate this too.

Islam was not born in Afghanistan nor Pakistan Nor India and Nor Bengladesh.

It came on top of a camel/horse from the middle east, the same way Christianity came on top of a knight to Europe.

[Soldat_Amir]

[QUOTE=al-arab;527093]But you can hate Arabs all you want to, just tells everything about you and how much of a kafir you are. Too bad for you that you are a LARGE minority among your people and the LARGE majority of other Muslims.

Your trying to say, if one dislikes an Arab that would make them a Kaffir?

But this dicussion is hopeless. You have shown lack of respect from the beginning when you called me camels and Arab in generel without any reason. You also don't see the difference between zionism and jewish people /Askhenazi Jews and Jews among the times of the Prophet Muhammad (S.A.W.)

When one thinks of Arabs, they think of men with white head scarfs and camels in a Desert. Well, its a pity, most of the Jews that lived in the time of Prophet Mohammad (SAW) were expelled and booted out of Arabia, So I guess we wouldnt know much about them.

So I can not help you.

You also don't understand that Arabs and Jews lived peacefully with each other before the Balfour agreement and that only a small minority of Arabs (mainly Saudi Arabians) support Al Qaeda.

Who said Jews and Arabs lived peacefully with eachother before the balfour agreement? thats nonsense.

But I am not as stupid as you so I won't call Pashtuns extremists even though Taliban have a huge support among Pashtuns in Afghanistan.

Taliban have a huge support from corrupt Middle eastern Arab countries, Pakistan, Iran and other unsavory nations.

Also I wan't talk about facts, such as heroin trade, pre-islamic tribal wars, big hate towards other muslims that are your brothers (also genetic wise, Tajiks, Punjabis etc.)

Yeah, As if the Arabs, dont hate eachother, or there is no tribalism in the Arab world too? Heroin Trade is controlled by criminals, regardless of their ethincity. Tajiks are our historical cousins. So what!

I don't expect you to reply, apart from "NO, I can tell you that all Muslims hate Arabs (only in your dreams I think)" so further debate with you is pointless.

Finally I just want to salute all other brave Pashtuns who are not infected by Zionism propaganda, narrow-minded people and so-called Pahstuns who live in UK (born and raised) who act like Kafirs, hate Arabs, support ZIONISM and don't live in a country that have invaded Pashtun lands and killed thousands of Pashtuns.

What about the truck loads of Arab Militants who brutally slaughter innocent pashtuns, through executions and mass suicide bombing campaigns? Have you not invaded our lands? Who gave you a visa to flood our nation with armed fanatics?

This is my final message to you.

Even though we disagree I hope that Allah Almighty can lead you in the right patch on not the direct path towards Zionism, anti-Islam and ultimately a word I only will write in Arabic. جهنم

I hope Allah leads you to the straigh path and I hope its not Afghanistan.

[tor_khan]

Wrora, I used to live in Gulf then moved to Michigan which has a lot of Arabs, let me tell you I have never meet a single Arab that I could remotely like. They have this sense of superiority over other Muslims, but then they don’t know Pashtuns, allowing anyone to even think they are better then us are not in our blood. Arabs need to be thrown out of our land, we don't need these people. They can go to their land and fight.

Again what's the point of this threat ?

Staff Message:

That's the nature of debate. I think there is Merit in the discussion provided we avoid trading insults. Resistance makes a thoughtful point in his posting. In recent times the body politic of Pashtoons have tended to empathise quite strongly with Arabs. That doesn't mean we have been the beneficiaries or that one is more superior to another. The issue of the modern Arab presence in the Pashtoon belt is one that is increasingly seen as a local and international stability problem, although there are several factors around this too.

[MohannaD]

Soldat_Amir

did you know that Jewish were living with Muslims when Spain and other parts was an Arab country for hundreds of years ??

Did you know that there are thousands of Jewish who are still living in Arab countries and did not move to Israel ??



Last but not least , did you know that there are over 20 Arab countries and you cannot just generalize because of a percentage ?? That is if we assume that what you hear or read about Arabs supporting terrorism in Afghanistan is true .

[MohannaD]

Staff Message:

That's the nature of debate. I think there is Merit in the discussion provided we avoid trading insults. Resistance makes a thoughtful point in his posting. In recent times the body politic of Pashtoons have tended to empathise quite strongly with Arabs. That doesn't mean we have been the beneficiaries or that one is more superior to another. The issue of the modern Arab presence in the Pashtoon belt is one that is increasingly seen as a local and international stability problem, although there are several factors around this too.

I'm sorry but I don't like the style in some of the posts here and in some other threads . Insulting should not be allowed , the discussion can reach a low level if insults start to appear .
I didn't join this forum to defend Arab countries , Pakistan , Afghanistan or whatever .

[graveyardofempires]

Well, your arguing with people like graveyardofempires and emkhan, who reject any nation of a pre islamic pashtun heritage.

Pashtuns are iranic peoples. We were never born as a Islamic nation.

Please do ask, Graveyard and co, what religion was the tribes of Afghan when the Arabs and the Turks(mahmood al ghaznavi) attacked them.

Pashtuns followed Paganism, Buddism and Hindusim. Its a fact, because those faiths, dominated the region, there is historical facts that indicate this too.

Islam was not born in Afghanistan nor Pakistan Nor India and Nor Bengladesh.

It came on top of a camel/horse from the middle east, the same way Christianity came on top of a knight to Europe.

your knowledge about pashtuns is ZERO
Pashtun before is Islam were so much like muslims that they asked them just to say kalima and the rest was fine.
Where is the proof for that,so if hinduism dominates india than all of india must be hindu?

you have no logic and have no similarities with pashtuns of today or our ancesters,our ancesters were not beghairat and pork eaters and above all against the nation.

[graveyardofempires]

the aim of this thread is to cause hatred among muslims.
in this case arabs and pashtuns,the poster of this thread wishes ill upon muslims.
another point of this thread is to try to defame is islam by calling it camelism.
disrespecting our Prophet(pbuh)the quran and islam on Pashtunforums is giving us pashtuns a bad name.

one thing these atheist anti pashtuns/muslims have done is that now i dont go at pakis as much as i did before cuz i havent heard any of pakis on this forum talk crap about Islam.