Pashtoon/Arab Discussion

[graveyardofempires]

10% pashtuns shia?

any sources?

[Dreamer]

10% pashtuns shia?

any sources?

Turi Tribe = 100% Shia
Bangash= 40-50% Shia
Orakzai= 5% Shia not to mention converts to that school of thought

[emkhan]

In my view there is nothing wrong in nationalism as long as it does not go against the teachings of Islam. The common Pashtoons on both sides of the borders love their religion which is Islam whether they belong to a religious party or any nationalist party.
The nationalist party's leaders are strictly secular and their manshoor is also secular. The common Pashtoons voting to these nationalist parties does not know about their party's manshoor. But the nationalist parties' like ANP leaders' skulls are full secular ideas.
The day the common people came to know about their leaders ideology, they will make no delay leaving their party...
About the ghairat issue, a secularist consider ghairat is to bring a girl in front of the whole world and make her dance and he call it confidence...
He applauses that girl for her confidence and encourage more and more girls to come forward and demonstrate such ghairat in front of the other men.
But a secularist will never send her daughter or sister to such profession but always applause and encourage others'.

[graveyardofempires]

^
still how does that make 10%?
those are a couple of tribes and we cant be 100% about those %s you mentioned,for example Turis.

[Dreamer]

^
still how does that make 10%?
those are a couple of tribes and we cant be 100% about those %s you mentioned,for example Turis.

Turis are by and large all Shia... it is like most other tribes being historically sunni... I believe it was the work of shia missionaries... Go to Kohat and Parachinar etc... it is swarming with shia Pashtuns...

[Dreamer]

I said 5-10% ... it is an estimate... not an exact figure... also people do convert to that school of thought... Not to mention intermarriage between shia and sunni...

I have even met Ahmedi Pashtuns... I know a few athiest Pashtuns... big deal

[emkhan]

A Pukhtun who leaves the religion of Islam and embrace something else does not deserve to be called Pukhtun... Because Pukhtun and Islam are must.
A Pukhtun should be a Muslim only.

[Dreamer]

A Pukhtun who leaves the religion of Islam and embrace something else does not deserve to be called Pukhtun... Because Pukhtun and Islam are must.
A Pukhtun should be a Muslim only.

hate to break it you but one is a set of beliefs that can be changed, the other is race that one is born with and can not be changed... Pashtuns can be whatever they please to be just as there are non muslim arabs...

[gomal]

A Pukhtun who leaves the religion of Islam and embrace something else does not deserve to be called Pukhtun... Because Pukhtun and Islam are must.
A Pukhtun should be a Muslim only.

very right wror jana

on this site u have people who are saying racist things to arabs for no reason in every post, like "camel" and things and there are people here who say they are "secular (kafir) and pakhtun at the same time" but what is that??? its like saying "i am apple and orange" lol. atleast even if you are not muslim, you should not say bad things about others.

sorry for my english. i speak french

[Dreamer]

very right wror jana

on this site u have people who are saying racist things to arabs for no reason in every post, like "camel" and things and there are people here who say they are "secular (kafir) and pakhtun at the same time" but what is that??? its like saying "i am apple and orange" lol. atleast even if you are not muslim, you should not say bad things about others.

sorry for my english. i speak french

I agree... Parlez vous francais?

[emkhan]

hate to break it you but one is a set of beliefs that can be changed, the other is race that one is born with and can not be changed... Pashtuns can be whatever they please to be just as there are non muslim arabs...

Islam was there long long before when there was no race or Pukhtun there.
and Islam will be when there will be no race or Pukhtun.

[gomal]

Islam was there long long before when there was no race or Pukhtun there.
and Islam will be when there will be no race or Pukhtun.

yes! there is no race or anything before islam. race, language or anything else doesnt matter except islam.

[Dreamer]

Islam was there long long before when there was no race or Pukhtun there.
and Islam will be when there will be no race or Pukhtun.

many of the sahaba were arab before they became muslim... Pashtuns where Zoroastrian most likely before they adopted Islam

[graveyardofempires]

many of the sahaba were arab before they became muslim... Pashtuns where Zoroastrian most likely before they adopted Islam

what if Pashtuns were muslims before Islam?

[Toramana]

I think that if we step back it can be argued that both sides are influenced by people outside the community. The point about Pashtoon unity is realising this and knowing that there are people on the outside who benefit to see these polar opposites at loggerheads.

That is an overstatement and, therefore, contestible...The ideological inspiration for Pashtun Nationalists comes from within ---from the mere existence of Pashtun reality ---and from the consciousness in Pashtuns of a separate nationhood with distinct culture, history, values, etc....and distinct destiny.....

That is why, whenever, Pashtun nationalists talk, they use Pashtun symbolism in their political rhetoric and make a mention to Pashtun historical figures that have any role in the promotion and assertion of Pashtun national identity e.g., Mir Wais Nikka, Ahmad Shah Baba, Khushal Baba, etc....

Islamists on the other hand derive their inspiration from foreign ideologies mostly politicllay motiavted ...and draw upon broader notions like Muslim Ummah, Muslim brotherhood, etc. They try to suppress Pashtun national identity and re-interpret Pashtun history as history of Islam in attempt to emphasize the primacy of Islam over ethnicity and culture in Pashtun national existance (under the influence of politically motivated foreign ideologies.).

I wonder how could you make such an un-thoughtful comment...