Why Taliban do what they do and Why Scimitar is an intellectual fraud

[Alchemist]

[kakargirl]

Dehumanization

In almost all NATO nations, the Taliban have been completely dehumanized — a historically-tested signal that perpetrators of the crime of genocide carry unmitigated intentions to eradicate the dehumanized group. Politicians, the armed forces, the media, and even the general public associate in the West the Taliban with irrational fanatics, intolerant fundamentalists, brutal assassins, beheaders of women, bearded extremists, and terrorists. This luminescent negativity paves the way for aggression, military operations, and genocide. Promoting the predatory doctrine of collective self-defense, killing the Taliban is celebrated as a legal virtue. To leave the Taliban in control of Afghanistan, says NATO, is to leave a haven for terrorism.

A similar dehumanization took place in the 16th and 17th centuries when NATO precursors occupied the Americas to purloin land and resources. The killings of native inhabitants were extensive and heartless. Thomas Jefferson, the noble author of the Declaration of Independence, labeled Indians as "merciless savages." President Andrew Jackson pontificated: "What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms." Promoting the predatory doctrine of discovery, the United States Supreme Court later ratified the pilgrims' crimes, holding that "discovery gave an exclusive right to extinguish the Indian title (to land). ([T]he Indians were fierce savages...To leave them in possession of their country was to leave the country a wilderness."

The predators have not changed their stripes a bit. They come, they demonize, they obliterate. They do all this in the name of superior civilization.

The Facts

The NATO website lists its killings in Afghanistan. These killings are also reported in the world media, often with a shameless tone of gratitude as if NATO forces are engaged in wiping out cannibals. In 2007 alone, NATO helicopters and precision guided munitions bombed and killed over six thousand "Taliban." Read the following recent attacks, which the NATO itself reports, and smell the scent of genocide:

• On January 19, 2008, NATO launched a preemptive strike relying on "credible intelligence" that the Taliban were planning to mass on a NATO base. The attack killed two dozen "insurgents" in the Watapoor District of Kunar Province, though the exact number of casualties could not be confirmed because of the rough mountainous region. The world media reported that numerous civilians were killed and 25 bodies were buried in just one mass grave.

• On January 12, 2008, NATO forces conducted what it calls a "precise strike" on a compound in Kapsia Province targeting Taliban leaders. NATO claimed that the civilians were cleared from the compound before the attack. The claim is absurd because any removal of civilians from the compound would have alerted the battle-hardened Taliban that an enemy attack was imminent.

• On September 20, 2007, NATO forces launched "Operation Palk Wahel" to kill and remove the Taliban from an area in the Upper Gereshk Valley. Numerous civilians were killed. The evidence of the genocide was so obvious that NATO admitted that it "was unaware of civilians in the vicinity of the target and unfortunately it appears that a number of non-combatants were caught in the attack and killed."

The Law

The Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (entered into force, 1951) is binding on all states including the 26 member states of NATO. The Genocide Convention is jus cogens, the law from which no derogation is allowed. It provides no exceptions for any nation or any organization of nations, such as the United Nations or NATO, to commit genocide. Nor does the Convention allow any exceptions to genocide "whether committed in time of peace or in time of war." Even traditional self-defense - let alone preemptive self-defense, a deceptive name for aggression – cannot be invoked to justify or excuse the crime of genocide.

In murdering the Taliban, NATO armed forces systematically practice on a continual basis the crime of genocide that consists of three constituent elements - act, intent to destroy, and religious group. The crime, as defined in the Convention, is analyzed below:

1. Act. The Convention lists five acts, each of which qualifies as genocide. NATO forces in Afghanistan are committing three of the five acts. They are killing members of the Taliban. They are causing serious bodily harm to members of the Taliban. They are deliberately inflicting on the Taliban conditions of life calculated to bring about their physical destruction in whole or in part. Any of these three acts committed one time constitutes the crime of genocide. NATO combat troops have been committing, and continue to commit, these acts through multiple means and weapons.

2. Intent to Destroy. The crime of genocide is a crime of intent. It must be shown that NATO combat troops and the high command ordering these troops carry the requisite intent to destroy the Taliban. Mere negligent killings do not qualify as genocide. The statements of NATO's Secretary-General Jaap de Hoop Scheffer and those of NATO spokesmen leave no doubt that the NATO conducts military operations to "hunt and destroy" the Taliban. Preemptive strikes to kill the Taliban are sufficient proof that NATO troops and commanding generals have specific intent to destroy as many Taliban members as they can find. The weekly murderous planning and intelligence gathering to locate and eliminate the Taliban leaders and members further demonstrate that the killings in Afghanistan are not negligent, accidental, or by mistake. For all legal purposes, NATO's incessant and deliberate killings of the Taliban are powered with the specific intent to destroy a religious group.

3. Religious Group. The Genocide Convention is far from universal in that it does not protect all groups from genocide. Its protection covers only four groups: national, ethnic, racial and religious. (Political groups are not protected). The Convention does not require the complete eradication of a protected group as a necessary condition for the crime of genocide. Even part destruction of a protected group constitutes the crime. It is no secret that the Taliban are a religious group. (They may also qualify as a national (Afghan) or ethnic (Pushtun) group). The Taliban advocate and practice a puritanical version of Islam. The Convention does not demand that the protected group advocate and practice a form of religion acceptable to the West or the world. The questionable beliefs and practices of a religious group are no reasons to destroy the group. That the Taliban are armed or support terrorism or oppress women are unlawful excuses to commit genocide. (All reasons that Hitler had to murder Jews would be simply irrelevant under the Convention).

The Holding

It may, therefore, be safely concluded that NATO combat troops and NATO commanders are engaged in murdering the Taliban, a protected group under the Genocide Convention, with the specific intent to physically and mentally destroy the group in whole or in part. This is the crime of genocide.

Ali Khan is a professor at Washburn University School of Law in Kansas. This essay is previously published in JURIST

Nato clears out zilch , as soon as its dark night raids start ,drones are flying over houses wipe out entire families.

[graveyardofempires]

When will these ad hominem attacks end?

This whole thread created to punch one member constantly in the face is just ridiculous.

how about you come to your sense and read the article and get the massege that a genocide is going on against the Afghan nation.
but offcourse your tactic is to play down the facts and go straight to accusing the massenger.

[graveyardofempires]

Awsomw post Alchemist bro.

but keep in mind scimitaredgex doesnt understand read or write pashtos or dari so his understanding comes from external pro war sources.
he also has a different understanding of the Afghan society.

for example he think UN report is credible while that UN actually paved the way for the occupation of Afghanistan.
He thinks telegraph is a trusted source about the war in Afghanistan.

in his position he hardly has any trusted sources and has never been to Afghanistan to knwo the public opinion but offcourse he would love to post an article which says some high % of Afghan youth is against afghan resistance to foreign occuaption and that report too is external but he takes those very serious as if it is unbiased and truth.

[Soldat_Amir]

how about you come to your sense and read the article and get the massege that a genocide is going on against the Afghan nation.
but offcourse your tactic is to play down the facts and go straight to accusing the massenger.

The only people I see committing acts of mass murder are your resistance fighters. I dont see, anyone else, planting bombs in Pagrays and blowing themselves up in crowded markets!

What facts man! You need to provide us the facts! what facts do you have in regards to the current situation.

There is no resistance in Afghanistan, nobody wants to fight, people are confused, they are tired of the double dealing, If Taliban were truely an resistance force,they wouldnt be running to Pakistan and living in different places at a time.

The Afghan people hate the Taliban, thats why, the minute Nato withdraws, we will see another civil war, and the Taliban will be the ones starting it.

[Soldat_Amir]

If America tomarrow declares Pakistan as a terrorist sponsorer and disregards all borders legally, I am sure the American army with its airforce could flatten and dismantle the Taliban in a few days, Taliban know this very well, thats why they will cease to be proxies of Pakistan till kingdom come.

Most of the attacks on Afghan soil are planned in Pakistan, that alone shows who is really fighting the war, Most Afghans want development, opportunities and a better life, and Taliban will not provide this, everyone in Afghanistan knows the role Taliban will play if given any position in the government, and that will be brutality through proxy!

Afghan women will be in the worst seat under any Taliban government, children will be mere proxies for Pakistani political interests, and to some extent for Western purposes as well, i.e to counter Russian and Chinese influence through Islamic jihads in Chechnya and China.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Awsomw post Alchemist bro.

but keep in mind scimitaredgex doesnt understand read or write pashtos or dari so his understanding comes from external pro war sources.
he also has a different understanding of the Afghan society.

for example he think UN report is credible while that UN actually paved the way for the occupation of Afghanistan.
He thinks telegraph is a trusted source about the war in Afghanistan.

in his position he hardly has any trusted sources and has never been to Afghanistan to knwo the public opinion but offcourse he would love to post an article which says some high % of Afghan youth is against afghan resistance to foreign occuaption and that report too is external but he takes those very serious as if it is unbiased and truth.

I've asked you to post any sources in any language and you have failed to do so. So clearly you're either lying or afraid I'll know what the sources are actually saying.

THe UN Security Council is responsible for the war in Afghanistan, the UN Apparatus that tabulates civilian deaths and has nothing to do with War decisions in Afghanistan, they just measure stuff. That's like saying the Bernie Maddox's landscaper is responsible for him embezzling money.


and ironic tat you're cheering a Supporter of Massoud only because he denies Taliban murderers; for the only motive of bickering.

People don't like suicide bombers, because they murder their own people; even if I had no sources, common sense could tell you that.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Oh Ok. That makes sense. Gulbuddin isn't Hizbi Islam (officially) and whatever they did before 2011 is now forgiven because they changed their way...And Allah is Most Forgiving.

ok then you still haven't answered the question ...


So let me put it to you like this then...(lol)


BEFORE 2011 ...who was the face of the national resistance to imperial occupying forces?

Straw Man after Straw Man ........I'm saying that their resistance is legit because they're not murdering Afghans., no suicide bombing. This does not exonerate Gulbuddin of past crimes; but rather Hizbi Islami are not engaging in illegitimate resistance.

the face of afghan resistance WAS villagers and other disparate groups who got pushed to the side of the Afghan Government because of Taliban crimes like suicide bombing. That should suffice in answering your question.

You keep struggling to grasp for something but your argument is defeated,

[Soldat_Amir]

I've asked you to post any sources in any language and you have failed to do so. So clearly you're either lying or afraid I'll know what the sources are actually saying.

THe UN Security Council is responsible for the war in Afghanistan, the UN Apparatus that tabulates civilian deaths and has nothing to do with War decisions in Afghanistan, they just measure stuff. That's like saying the Bernie Maddox's landscaper is responsible for him embezzling money.


and ironic tat you're cheering a Supporter of Massoud only because he denies Taliban murderers; for the only motive of bickering.

People don't like suicide bombers, because they murder their own people; even if I had no sources, common sense could tell you that.

I wonder why the Pro Talib lobby on here, never mention how Nasrullah babar and co within the ISI were permitted on a number of times to bring over Western Officials to engage in talks to establish a pipeline.

Where was the resistance then..............

Where was the resistance when 1000s of ISI operatives were airlifted in Kunduz before the Yanks Attacked?

[ScimitarXEdge]

I agree Soldat, but let's not portray NATO or Imperialism by Capitalists as some desirable or favorable counter balance. It's all the same


Both should be opposed; remember in your previous incarnations as Mazloomyar I successfully debated and refuted your arguments in favor of NATO

Now that I have defeated the secularists I am turning my attention to Taliban supporters; but my arguments against secularists still apply.

[Alchemist]

The only people I see committing acts of mass murder are your resistance fighters. I dont see, anyone else, planting bombs in Pagrays and blowing themselves up in crowded markets!

What facts man! You need to provide us the facts! what facts do you have in regards to the current situation.

There is no resistance in Afghanistan, nobody wants to fight, people are confused, they are tired of the double dealing, If Taliban were truely an resistance force,they wouldnt be running to Pakistan and living in different places at a time.

The Afghan people hate the Taliban, thats why, the minute Nato withdraws, we will see another civil war, and the Taliban will be the ones starting it.

There is no resistance in Afghanistan...

yup...thats why there are 200,000 Foreign soldiers in Afghanistan.

The U.S spent $446,018,851,548 dollars so far ....not fighting the resistance which does not exist.

100s and 1000s tons of bombs are getting dropped no where and disappearing.

Good argument.

You sure laid the facts down buddy.

[Alchemist]

I agree Soldat, but let's not portray NATO or Imperialism by Capitalists as some desirable or favorable counter balance. It's all the same


Both should be opposed; remember in your previous incarnations as Mazloomyar I successfully debated and refuted your arguments in favor of NATO

Now that I have defeated the secularists I am turning my attention to Taliban supporters; but my arguments against secularists still apply.

Why are you skirting away from the question I asked you?

Why are you so shameless?

Is it because you are delusional?

Look at the stupid predicament you are in - "My position against secularists aka colonized tools still apply ...I am also against the the taliban"...then who is left? Hekmatyar? Ismail Khan? LOL

you are lost buddy... you don't know where to go so you keep arguing for the sake of arguing without a clear focus.

[Alchemist]

Straw Man after Straw Man ........I'm saying that their resistance is legit because they're not murdering Afghans., no suicide bombing. This does not exonerate Gulbuddin of past crimes; but rather Hizbi Islami are not engaging in illegitimate resistance.

the face of afghan resistance WAS villagers and other disparate groups who got pushed to the side of the Afghan Government because of Taliban crimes like suicide bombing. That should suffice in answering your question.

You keep struggling to grasp for something but your argument is defeated,

You should man up son.

You said there is a natural resistance to the OCCUPYING forces.

now you are back peddling and saying that the "natural resistance" is not a resistance but actually a "natural cooperation" through the government with the occupation.

how does that make sense to you?

and you call your self a "logician"?

[Alchemist]

If America tomarrow declares Pakistan as a terrorist sponsorer and disregards all borders legally, I am sure the American army with its airforce could flatten and dismantle the Taliban in a few days, Taliban know this very well, thats why they will cease to be proxies of Pakistan till kingdom come.

Most of the attacks on Afghan soil are planned in Pakistan, that alone shows who is really fighting the war, Most Afghans want development, opportunities and a better life, and Taliban will not provide this, everyone in Afghanistan knows the role Taliban will play if given any position in the government, and that will be brutality through proxy!

Afghan women will be in the worst seat under any Taliban government, children will be mere proxies for Pakistani political interests, and to some extent for Western purposes as well, i.e to counter Russian and Chinese influence through Islamic jihads in Chechnya and China.

That is funny you say that because the Pakistanis make the claim that most of the attacks that happen in Pakistan get planned in Afghanistan so they have to bomb Afghanistan...

So basically everyone has their own brand of conspiracy theory ... and we all just follow what we "feel" is right.

That makes sense...




not.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Why are you skirting away from the question I asked you?

Why are you so shameless?

Is it because you are delusional?

Look at the stupid predicament you are in - "My position against secularists aka colonized tools still apply ...I am also against the the taliban"...then who is left? Hekmatyar? Ismail Khan? LOL

you are lost buddy... you don't know where to go so you keep arguing for the sake of arguing without a clear focus.

The Muslims; that is what's left. You seem to always forget that of any equation and false dichotomy you present.


It only seems that way to you because you are brainwashed to think the world works by two poles; when there's a whole span of outcomes in between

Hizb I Islami is not merely Hekmatyar, there are other branches who fight NATO. The Khalis branch also fight NATO

and if you're so against Hekmatyar, then why aren't you against the Taliban? Taliban were known for crimes in Panjshir and against civilians in their battles against Massoud. Some how you have exonerated them , even though they still murder Muslim civilians today? Hypocrisy much?