American war against Pakistan

[Shehbaz Khan]

bahahahahhahahahhahahhahha ......Pakistan can't even wipe it's own hiny.

I don't want Muslims killed, but your military would get wiped out.

Afghanistan gave a hard time, what can you expect from Pakistan !!

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pakistan Decided to respond U.S. direct Attack?



Already strained Pak-U.S. relationship went under further cloud when in mid September, 2011 American civil and military leadership gave abrasive statements against ISI and Pakistani security agencies. US military chief, Admiral Mike Mullen accused the ISI of supporting the Haqqani network in carrying out an assault on the US Embassy in Kabul on September 13, 2011. He further said that the Haqqani network is a powerful faction of the Taliban and a "veritable arm" of Pakistan's spy agency. He also claimed that they have credible evidence about ISI involvement behind the June 28th attack against the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul. During last few days, CIA and ISI chiefs have also met each other to discuss the Haqqani Network and its presence in Pakistan. ISI Chief General Pasha strongly rejected the Americans' allegations and denied supporting Haqqani against Americans. But, U.S. officials did not agree with Islamabad stance and started urging Pakistan to take action.

In this connection , U.S. Defence sectary of state and White House top official revealed that the U.S. believes, Pakistan is "actively supporting the Haqqanis. U.S. Officials warned that Pakistan is heading towards international isolation. "If it keeps going like this, it could end up like Syria – before the Arab spring." President Zardari, Prime Minister Gillani, Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Kahar and Chief of Staff Pakistan Army strongly rejected the U.S. allegations on ISI and Pakistan Army. Pakistan Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar lashed out at America for accusing the country's powerful spy agency ISI of ties with terror groups, warning it risked losing Islamabad as its ally. "We have conveyed to the US that you will lose an ally."

"It is in the interest of both Pakistan and the U.S. to retain their relationship. So, if it is not a relationship of complete equals, them being a superpower and us not, but it is (a relationship) of sovereign equals," Khar said. She also said both countries need each other and Pakistan wants its relationship with the US to remain intact but not at the cost of Pakistan's sovereignty. Pakistani political and military leadership and the general masses have taken US threat seriously and decided to respond U.S with full strength to deal any misadventure against Pakistan. Government also asked her Foreign Minister to discontinue her American visit and report back to Pakistan.

On September 25, 2011 an extraordinary meeting of the corps commanders was held under the chairmanship of General Ashfaq Pervaiz Kayani in GHQ. General chaired this important meeting after cancelling his last night depature to London. He was to address the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Royal College of Defence Studies, According to an ISPR statement, a Special Corps Commanders Conference reviewed the prevailing security situation in the country Yesterday, US Central Command chief General James Mattis met the COAS at the General Headquarters.

General Kayani expressed grave concern over infiltration of militants from the Afghanistan side and made it clear that Pakistan would not tolerate any such incursions in the future. He asked General Mattis to make sure that the Afghan soil is not used against Pakistan.

The COAS also lodged strong protest with Gen Mattis over the statements of US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta and Admiral Mullen calling the statements contrary to ground realities. He said the sacrifices rendered by Pakistan in the war on terror demonstrated Pakistan's commitment to eliminate militancy.

Pakistan Armed Forces Spokesman said that in the meeting we discussed prevailing security situation. Highly placed sources said that the meeting rejected all the allegations and expressed its concern over the negative statements given by the US. The meeting reiterated that Pakistan armed forces are committed to achieve enduring peace in the region. While talking to the media, in a separate question General Athar Abbas acknowledged that Pakistani intelligence set up do have contacts with certain Taliban groups but don't favour their activities. He also disclosed that certain other countries including America too have links with Haqqani and other groups. It is also added here that Haqqani and certain other groups have been created by CIA. During the 1980s, the CIA funneled arms and cash to the Haqqanis to counter Soviet forces. Therefore, the revealed groups thrown out the Soviet forces and after landing ISAF forces stood up against them and gave heavy losses to the occupant NATO forces.

Interestingly, U.S. leadership herself carried out negotiations with Taliban for concluding peace deal in Afghanistan but Taliban leadership probably declined to make any such deal at the U.S. terms and conditions. At the same time, Americans' and NATO military forces physically remained unsuccessful to control the situation and continuously are facing defeats in fighting against Taliban. According to the reliable estimation, American suffered heavy losses in terms of finances and life losses in war against terror like! (One) total cost of War in Iraq & Afghanistan since 2001 is $1,254,566,897,296, (two) Number of U.S. Military Personnel Sacrificed (Officially acknowledged) In America's War on Iraq: 4,792 (three) Number of International Occupation Force Troops Slaughtered in Afghanistan: 2,718.

Therefore, before participating into next U.S. presidential elections, Obama's administration has to start implementation of Obama's exit strategy since the administration needs to justify their failures in war on terror in the general public. Thus, now American military leadership has planned gambling of launching some physical attacks in North Waziristan against the Pakistani interest and will. In fact, Obamas' government is trying to use Pakistan as her scapegoat to hide her failures. Probably, U.S. direct attack on Pakistan would prove a blunder and fatal for herself , since Islamabad top civil and military brass is not in a position to go for "do more policy" particularly after U.S. unilaterally May 2, 2011 action in Abbottabad.

American leadership should realize that Pakistan has suffered the colossal financial losses of more than $80 billion in the so called war on terror since 2001, while human loss is around 70,000, reveals the Economic Survey report issued by the government of Pakistan. During this war over 50,000 citizens and 5000 security personnel have been killed apart from destruction of infrastructure, internal migration of millions of people from parts of northwestern Pakistan, erosions of investment climate. Moreover, 270 drone attacks killed 2601 persons in FATA since 2004.

Therefore, planning misadventure instead acknowledging Pakistani sacrifices will further tarnish the U.S. image and endorse the ultimate failure of U.S. in Asia. American should read the underline message of Pakistani foreign minister in which she said that "You cannot afford to alienate Pakistan," She also expressed said in New York. "If they are choosing to do so, it will be at their own cost," Ms Khar said, adding that "anything which is said about an ally, about a partner, publicly to recriminate it, to humiliate it, is not acceptable".

American military pundits should also be mindful that Pakistan is a nuclear power and has also carried out Tactical Nuclear Missiles system successfully in its recent tests. It has an organized, disciplined well trained force that is capable to strike with its full strength. In short, I would like to suggest to American leadership instead asking of "do more policy" rather should try to implement on the "Roll Back Policy". She must realize that Pakistan is a sovereign nuclear Islamic power that deserves to protect its interests around the globe and will never surrender to the illogical US demands.

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[Toramana]

Mr. Bengali_Tiger, it would be better we recruit you into Taleban force where you will have the opportunity to fight against America for the glory of Islam...You can embrace martyredom and so can fullfil your obligation to the Muslim Ummah--- and express your Muslim empathy for Pakistan----

[emkhan]

Mr. Bengali_Tiger, it would be better we recruit you into Taleban force where you will have the opportunity to fight against America for the glory of Islam...You can embrace martyredom and so can fullfil your obligation to the Muslim Ummah--- and express your Muslim empathy for Pakistan----

Vacancies have come in the american forces... You have a big chance.
Hurry up. Go and join your great army and fight against you enemy taliban.
Now lets see how committed you are with your master ?
and how real you are .

[Bengal_Tiger]

There is no way that there will be any attack of any sort. The US needs even just limited support from Pakistan too much to do anything to endanger that.

Pakistani poster



US may strike in Fata - which they already do by drones. Full scale invasion of Pakistan is not possible for US. in the longer run that task will i guess be assigned to India while areial and tactical support from US from the western borders. Before that they will be preparing more scenarios for war. instability within Pakistan will be key and they are heavily reallying on that.

Looking back, US hasnt faught a direct war with a country with real Army since WWII. Iraq, Afghanistan armies were non existent. Even going into Iraq, they made sure in 10 years that if it has some left over WMD's via sanctions and inspections. Once that done, they moved in with ease!

They will be following similar tactics with slight difference, there may be another media catching event, that will trigger sanctions on Pakistan first including no fly zone, coupled with more covert operations by India/CIA and sold out agents in Pakistan, once they are very sure of hitting hard and deviding the country, they will attack!

Thats only if they wish to attack Pakistan at all!
weak points on Pakistan end is its economy and government.

Full scale attack on Pakistan is out of the question for quite a long time!

Pakistani poster

This is the post which more than any others expresses my opinions on this issue. I do not think that war is soon, the US wants to accomplish a number of things, including redrawing the borders of Pakistan's provinces through its surrogate the PPP.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Vacancies have come in the american forces... You have a big chance.
Hurry up. Go and join your great army and fight against you enemy taliban.
Now lets see how committed you are with your master ?
and how real you are .

Please ignore the Kafir. I have put him on ignore so I cannot read his posts, by quoting him I can see his lies and insults which I do not wish to do. My position is exactly the same as that of the ANP.

[emkhan]

Please ignore the Kafir. I have put him on ignore so I cannot read his posts, by quoting him I can see his lies and insults which I do not wish to do. My position is exactly the same as that of the ANP.

Brother, my problem is that I can't ignore two types of persons, very good and very bad ones but I will try on your advice.

[Bengal_Tiger]

No problem.

1. He supports drone attacks which kill Pashtun children.

I showed the ANP is against these attacks.

2. He wants a major US attack on FATA/Pakistan.

I showed the ANP is against this.

Despite all this he calls me Taliban (an organization I hate and which has killed Bengalis in Afghanistan, threatened the Bangladeshi government and army etc), so he is not here to engage in meaningful discussion, but alongside Luffy and ScimitarXedge is here to entertain himself by insulting and trolling.

Checkmate is right, his type enjoy 0% support in Pashtunkhwa and everyone knows that.

[Toramana]

Bengal_Tiger, you can embrace martyredom and prove your loyalty to Muslim Ummah and empathy for Pakistan by fighting against Americans alongside Punjabis and Talebans-----It is better to enter the battle than fight a utopian war in your imaginations ...

And you don't know what is the official stance of ANP and what is its unofficial stance---When pressed by Army and ISI they make such statement---

Regarding India's liberation of Bangla Desh for Bangla Deshis, Wali Khan in his book "Bacha Khan and Khudai Khidmatgari" writes, by the end of 1970s, US and other Western powers were fearing East Pakistan would slip into Chinese hands if its grieviences were not addressed ---also they thought East Pakistan as part of Pakistan was not natural due to the geographical distance-----It is said one of the Bangali leaders in exile at Calcuta was in active contact with Americans to support East Pakistan's separation and independence....Wali Khan writes, US had signaled Indra Ghandi to sign a defence treaty with USSR to check Chinese in the event of Chinese entering the war theatre against India and as allies of Pakistan...The Bangla Desh liberation leaders had actively lobbied with US to extend support to Bangla desh independence...

The Pakistanis at that time had ran a strong campaign against the US embassader in Pakistan for covertly supporting Bangla Desh separation...

I mean Bangalis got independence through support from at least three powers; India which actually won Bangla Deshis their independence; USSR which checked Chinese threat to India when the war between Pakistan and India over Bangla Desh broke out; and US as well...

So why an infidel support is ok for Bangali liberation but bad for Pashtun liberation? You have evaded to answer this question...?

Moreover, Bangalis lost 3 millions men and women but won freedom...if aversion of the loss of so many human lives is more important than liberation why then Bangalis went for war?

Anyhow, I respect you and consider you as one member of our community---it is that you are overwhelmed by Muslim empathy feelings and sentiments at this time----

[retro]

American military pundits should also be mindful that Pakistan is a nuclear power and has also carried out Tactical Nuclear Missiles system successfully in its recent tests. It has an organized, disciplined well trained force that is capable to strike with its full strength. In short, I would like to suggest to American leadership instead asking of "do more policy" rather should try to implement on the "Roll Back Policy". She must realize that Pakistan is a sovereign nuclear Islamic power that deserves to protect its interests around the globe and will never surrender to the illogical US demands.

What illogical US demands? Pakistan is an unstable Wahhabists terrorist enity with Nuclear Missiles.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Ask the Pakistani poster who originally posted this.

I am providing all sides of the issue here with different quotes from different people with different opinions, partly to illustrate the huge concern this has raised in Pakistan.

My own personal opinions coincide with Gadoonwal's i.e. a lot of this is staged and scripted drama. The primary victims are Pashtuns.


The US doesn't need logical or illogical demands or valid reasons to attack and kill people as Iraq's "weapons of mass destructions" showed.

[Soldat_Amir]

With due respect Bengal Tiger, when Soviet Forces came in assistance to the Afghan government, people such as you, or like minded, considered it an attack on Islam and Pakistan, if such a thing happens, one can refer to it as payback, in this case, America will come in the form of Soviet assistance, and help the Afghan army attack Pakistan.

Personally, if a Sunni militant couldnt care less if a Shia mosque full of Qurans are burnt due to a suicide bombing, or a Pakistani Christian women is lynched by a gang of Pirs for speaking out against a man who died some 1000 years ago, then it would both logical and sane to say, its a great time, to start attacking Pakistan by all means, including demolishing their sancturies of terrorism i.e Madrassahs, and their army barracks, that shelter Anti Afghan elements.

If it works in the interest of Afghanistan and the betterment of the Pashtun people, then who cares if a bunch of ISI,Terrorist supportering traitors are killed or bombed.

It would be advisable and kindly so, that Pashtuns need to organise their alliances in these times, otherwise, I dont see any Problem America attacking Pakistan and a few Pashtuns being killed collatorally, If the Pashtun people were wise and honest to their nation of origin being Afghanistan, they wouldnt be allowing Talibs to cross the border and kill the same Afghan army who will one day protect its borders with India.

[Soldat_Amir]

Also I would like to add I feel, Pakistan is pushing America to attack, because it works in to their National interests, If America attacks, Pakistan being the corrupted parasite, would blow the Islamic horn of Jihad, and round up its citizens for national duty.

If I was an American, i would be much smarter, than declaring outright war, just send in a unit of Afghan Kandaks, give them some crappy shwal kameezes designed by some Pakistani clothing firm, give them some demolition gear, and bring the terrorism back to Punjab as revenge, I am sure if they did this, Pakistanis would spend more time blaiming India or blackwater, than accepting the fact that they never learn.

[Michin Khel]

With due respect Bengal Tiger, when Soviet Forces came in assistance to the Afghan government, people such as you, or like minded, considered it an attack on Islam and Pakistan, if such a thing happens, one can refer to it as payback, in this case, America will come in the form of Soviet assistance, and help the Afghan army attack Pakistan.

Personally, if a Sunni militant couldnt care less if a Shia mosque full of Qurans are burnt due to a suicide bombing, or a Pakistani Christian women is lynched by a gang of Pirs for speaking out against a man who died some 1000 years ago, then it would both logical and sane to say, its a great time, to start attacking Pakistan by all means, including demolishing their sancturies of terrorism i.e Madrassahs, and their army barracks, that shelter Anti Afghan elements.

If it works in the interest of Afghanistan and the betterment of the Pashtun people, then who cares if a bunch of ISI,Terrorist supportering traitors are killed or bombed.

It would be advisable and kindly so, that Pashtuns need to organise their alliances in these times, otherwise, I dont see any Problem America attacking Pakistan and a few Pashtuns being killed collatorally, If the Pashtun people were wise and honest to their nation of origin being Afghanistan, they wouldnt be allowing Talibs to cross the border and kill the same Afghan army who will one day protect its borders with India.

Safa khabara kawa. You dont have problem if FATA and KP are heavily bombarded by US? .We pashtuns of Pakistan are bunch of traitors in your eyes?. You and toramana share same views on this subject except that dam is from khyber pakhtunkhwa.

[afgpower]

Safa khabara kawa. You dont have problem if FATA and KP are heavily bombarded by US? .We pashtuns of Pakistan are bunch of traitors in your eyes?. You and toramana share same views on this subject except that dam is from khyber pakhtunkhwa.

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