American war against Pakistan

[Toramana]

Ranjit Singhistan is in deep trouble. These were these Western powers that asymmetrically strengthened/empowered Punjab vis-a'-vis other nations e.g., Bangalis, Pashtuns, Baluchis, Sindhis, Baltis, and Giligitis politically and militarily. With weapons provided by America and other Western powers, the Ranjit Singhi army suppressed and masscred Bangalis, Baluchis, and whoever stood to Ranjit Singhi colonialism.

Now the same Ranjit Singhi force is showing teeth to US and NATO...chickens come home to roost...There is less liklihood of a war but US-NATO from now on will do anything including the possibility of limited operations in FATA to force the Ranjit Singhi establishment to curtail its ambitions.

China is no match to the clout and might of the Western world (plus Japan, Taiwan, Korea, India, etc.).

I think US-NATO are going to teach Punjabis a good lesson.

[Bengal_Tiger]

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[Toramana]

well if they attack, they will attack the Pashtun areas.

This is what the "Pashtun nationalists" want.

If they attack they will further unite the whole region against them. China will fully back both Afghans and Pakistanis.

There is no point of return.

Pakistan has recalled the foreign minister.

In some ways, finally Pakistan slavery has come to an end.

And you are happy that your terrorist grand-papas the so-called Ossamas, Al-Zawahiris, and other Arab camels not to mention Uzbaks, Punjabis, etc. extremists that have made the Pashtun Land a hill-hole occupy your land and impose on you their cult, haan----Whoever helps Pashtuns to get rid their land of these terrorists are welcome be that UN, Turkey, Iran, US, NATO, ...provided the help is extended on the common ground of getting the world rid of the menace of terrorism and not impose permanent occupation.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Ranjit Singhistan is in deep trouble. These were these Western powers that asymmetrically strengthened/empowered Punjab vis-a'-vis other nations e.g., Bangalis, Pashtuns, Baluchis, Sindhis, Baltis, and Giligitis politically and militarily. With weapons provided by America and other Western powers, the Ranjit Singhi army suppressed and masscred Bangalis, Baluchis, and whoever stood to Ranjit Singhi colonialism.

Now the same Ranjit Singhi force is showing teeth to US and NATO...chickens come home to roost...There is less liklihood of a war but US-NATO from now on will do anything including the possibility of limited operations in FATA to force the Ranjit Singhi establishment to curtail its ambitions.

China is no match to the clout and might of the Western world (plus Japan, Taiwan, Korea, India, etc.).

I think US-NATO are going to teach Punjabis a good lesson.

You might be right, China may not be able to deal with the US' non-conventional cards, e.g. support for BLA, terrorist operations in KPK, support for the MQM and corrupt politicians.

However the theatre of war in any possible attack will be Pakhtunkhwa and Pakhtoons will die, whilst Punjab and the Ranjit Singh army is safe......as is the case now. So how are Punjabis learning a good lesson?

[checkmate]

Ranjit Singhistan is in deep trouble. These were these Western powers that asymmetrically strengthened/empowered Punjab vis-a'-vis other nations e.g., Bangalis, Pashtuns, Baluchis, Sindhis, Baltis, and Giligitis politically and militarily. With weapons provided by America and other Western powers, the Ranjit Singhi army suppressed and masscred Bangalis, Baluchis, and whoever stood to Ranjit Singhi colonialism.

Now the same Ranjit Singhi force is showing teeth to US and NATO...chickens come home to roost...There is less liklihood of a war but US-NATO from now on will do anything including the possibility of limited operations in FATA to force the Ranjit Singhi establishment to curtail its ambitions.

China is no match to the clout and might of the Western world (plus Japan, Taiwan, Korea, India, etc.).

I think US-NATO are going to teach Punjabis a good lesson.

, you are supporting war against FATA? and you call yourself a nationalist- a so-called "Pashtun nationalist" hated by so many, including Pashtuns.

no wonder ANP/PMAP is so pathetic.

You see Pashtuns will be targeted. You might as well throw that false nationalism out the window because you are not even that.

I think this is a long time coming. Pakistan needs to stop being the slave of the west in supporting the war against Afghanistan.

What you think people will just sit idly by and not do anything back?

LOL, you are really a fool.

[Toramana]

You might be right, China may not be able to deal with the US' non-conventional cards, e.g. support for BLA, terrorist operations in KPK, support for the MQM and corrupt politicians.

However the theatre of war in any possible attack will be Pakhtunkhwa and Pakhtoons will die, whilst Punjab and the Ranjit Singh army is safe......as is the case now. So how are Punjabis learning a good lesson?

Mr. Banglai_Tiger, I think you are suffering from the same self-deluding Muslim empathy with Punjabis that many Muslims fall prey to---If US and NATO and other nations of the world don't confront Punjabis, there is a dark future awaiting Pashtuns to be ruled by Haqqanis, Mullah Omars, etc. and other stooges of the Ranjit Singhi army and become perpetual slaves of the Punjab....

Rest, Punjab is a small land-locked land that cannot defend itself against any pressure or invasion from the east i.e., India on its own...It would be the biggest loser in case US-NATO launches operations in Khyber Pukhtunkhwa or FATA to become a slave of India for the next 1000 years.

And why are you unhappy US supporting MQM, Baluchis, etc. It is the same as Hindus/Indian supported Bangalis...There is nothing anti-Muslim in it---Punjabis also have masscred Bangalis, Pashtuns, Baluchis, etc. with support from the "infidels".

[Toramana]

, you are supporting war against FATA? and you call yourself a nationalist- a so-called "Pashtun nationalist" hated by so many, including Pashtuns.

no wonder ANP/PMAP is so pathetic.

You see Pashtuns will be targeted. You might as well throw that false nationalism out the window because you are not even that.

I think this is a long time coming. Pakistan needs to stop being the slave of the west in supporting the war against Afghanistan.

What you think people will just sit idly by and not do anything back?

LOL, you are really a fool.

Buffoon, I am not supporting war against FATA---I want that the terrorist darkness imposed by your terrorist buddies from around the world and that has made the lives of Pashtuns miserable comes to an end once for all....Now your terrorist mindset cannot grasp that simple fact or is driven entirely by the terrorost sadism that characterises you and your ilk.

[emkhan]

Toramana, what is your problem ???
When these terrorists kill Pak army then you love them and don't get tired praising them or when they are killed by the pak army then you say pashtoons are being killed and this and that and crying all the time. but when they kill the American forces then you hate them or when they are killed by the american forces then you become the happiest person...
Whats wrong with you.

[Toramana]

Toramana, what is your problem ???
When these terrorists kill Pak army then you love them and don't get tired praising them or when they are killed by the pak army then you say pashtoons are being killed and this and that and crying all the time. but when they kill the American forces then you hate them or when they are killed by the american forces then you become the happiest person...
Whats wrong with you.

No I never praised the terrorists...So far, your terrorist comrades have killed only Pashtuns---poor khassadars and FC soldiers mostly to deceive the world as if the Ranjt Singhi army is fighting a genuine war against terrorists (clandestinely, it is one with the terrorists)....In Swat, they i.e., the Punjabis army officers have told people even if one crore Pashtuns are killed to save, that isn't a great sacrifice.

Terrorists are the real asset of Punjabis---

[checkmate]

And you are happy that your terrorist grand-papas the so-called Ossamas, Al-Zawahiris, and other Arab camels not to mention Uzbaks, Punjabis, etc. extremists that have made the Pashtun Land a hill-hole occupy your land and impose on you their cult, haan----Whoever helps Pashtuns to get rid their land of these terrorists are welcome be that UN, Turkey, Iran, US, NATO, ...provided the help is extended on the common ground of getting the world rid of the menace of terrorism and not impose permanent occupation.

One thing is clear is that you are a liar. The Arab and Chechen contribution to the Afghan defeat of the Soviets was not so much. In either case, they were welcomed to

Afghanistan to free the land. You know this, and despise it. You see, common sense goes like this. If the Afghans can defeat the Soviets, and are defeating the US, what

makes you think they could not have defeated the Arabs that you pretend they did not want there?

See? You are a liar.

Listen the truth is about to hurt real bad here.

I will explain to everyone why people like you, Pir_Rokhan, and Levanye support the US war against Afghanistan, and now against the very people who you claim to have

good intentions for. Other than supporting war, this secular group has almost no voice within the tribal Pashtun framework. No elder supports such, and never will

It is not nationalism you want, but secularism. The problem you and others face is such people who hold to these false ideals is that there is almost nil support within KP for

it, and completely zero in FATA. People want Sharia, not secularism.

In fact, with the passing of this "Arab spring," named by the West to separate it from Islam, polling showed that the people of the region want Sharia. They had secularism

imposed on them, and it was only oppression.

Sharia, however, requires no majority at all, but to your utter disappointment does indeed enjoy the support across the whole Muslim world to be implemented.

Now, you are here supporting war on all Muslims, especially Pashtuns because in reality you despise the conservative and Islamic culture that predominates throughout rural

Afghanistan and FATA/KP. You are of a very small and narrow type who have no hope for their secular ideals because there are almost no foot soldiers ready to die for it. I

mean people die reciting the Shahada, not some secular slogan. Since this minority of people clearly understand there is no support for their facade of nationalism, they

resort to welcoming and supporting foreigners to wage war on the very people they claim to work for, and hence, contradicting and disproving any claim they made to be nationalists in support of the nation.

Again, I ask you, show me once instance in history where nationalists supported foreign war against their nation? There is none.

So, dejected in the fact that your secular aspirations will never see the light of day because no one is willing to die for it, and the conservative nature of Pashtun culture rejects it, you look to support the US in their wars.

Yesterday, such people like you supported the Soviets, today the US, tomorrow who? Well, let me tell you, there is no tomorrow.

The future belongs to those who are freeing their homeland.

[Toramana]

One thing is clear is that you are a liar.

Listen the truth is about to hurt real bad here.

I will explain to everyone why people like you, Pir_Rokhan, and Levanye support the US war against Afghanistan, and now against the very people who claim to have good intentions for.

It is not nationalism you want, but secularism. The problem you and others face is such people who hold to these false ideals face is that there is almost nil support within KP for it, and completely zero in FATA. People want Sharia, not secularism.

In fact, with the passing of this "Arab spring," named by the West to separate it from Islam, polling showed that the people of the region want Sharia. They had secularism imposed on them, and it was only oppression.

Sharia, however, required no majority at all, but to your utter disappointment enjoys the support across the whole Muslim world to be implemented.

Now, you are here supporting war on all Muslims, especially Pashtuns because in reality you despise the conservative and Islamic culture that predominates throughout rural Afghanistan and FATA/KP.

So, dejected in the fact that your secular aspirations will never see the light of day because no one is willing to die for it, you look to support the US in their wars. Yesterday, such people like you supported the Soviets, today the US, tomorrow who? Well, let me tell you, there is no tomorrow.

The future belongs to those who are freeing their homeland

When a sadist, misanthrope, and terrorist maniac like you discusses things, there is little room for logical argumentation---on these same forums, you have favoured suicide attacks against innocent people...that shows how sick you are mentally...You and other Mullahs have always been toilet papers for foreign interests whether Muslims or infidels getting dollars and petro-dollars from whoever gave them to you---You are promoting Punjabi interests here as if you are the biological son of Ranjit Singh (sory to say that tough word).

World has always gone ahead and has thrown bigotic, barbaric, ape-mided, etc. ilk into the dust-bin of history---Your mental level doesn't even match that of hunteror-gatherors---and world has gone far beyond that phase...

[emkhan]

No I never praised the terrorists...So far, your terrorist comrades have killed only Pashtuns---poor khassadars and FC soldiers mostly to deceive the world as if the Ranjt Singhi army is fighting a genuine war against terrorists (clandestinely, it is one with the terrorists)....In Swat, they i.e., the Punjabis army officers have told people even if one crore Pashtuns are killed to save, that isn't a great sacrifice.

Terrorists are the real asset of Punjabis---

You did so many times...
poor khassadaars and FC soldiers lol.
These poor khassadaars and FC soldiers love to fight for the punjabi army.
and go in front lines. Thats why they are killed. If they don't get salaries from the punjabi army and don't fight for them then I hope they won't be killed.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Mr. Banglai_Tiger, I think you are suffering from the same self-deluding Muslim empathy with Punjabis that many Muslims fall prey to---

No great empathy for Punjabis. Merely dislike of US bullying and also concern for the lives of Pashtuns in FATA who will die in any such attack.

And why are you unhappy US supporting MQM, Baluchis, etc. It is the same as Hindus/Indian supported Bangalis...There is nothing anti-Muslim in it---Punjabis also have masscred Bangalis, Pashtuns, Baluchis, etc. with support from the "infidels".

Not unhappy/happy, calmly analyzing.

MQM is an anti-Pashtun organization locked in a ferocious and bloody war with the Pakhtoons of Karachi.

Baluchis recieve support from Muslims such as the UAE and Afghanistan. I said the Baluchi card is one which can be used by the US and there is little China can do. China's strength lies in frontal conflict, the US has the trump cards of asymetric warfare e.g. sponsoring rebels/separatists.

Balochi rebels also claim Pashtun-majority areas of Balochistan including Quetta.

America however is a terrorist state which kills and massacres all over the world either directly or indirectly through proxies.

The Pakistan army is a genocidal army which has murdered more Muslims than Israel and is killing Pashtuns today in FATA.

If the US launches a war in FATA, Lahore, Rawalpindi, Sialkot, Faisalabad etc will generally be safe, Pashtuns will be dying.

As for whether Pakistan breaks up or does not, that is essentially for others to decide, namely the constituent nations that make up the state e.g. Sindhis, Balochis, Pashtuns, as of now most Pashtuns merely want peace, to feed their families and for the state that they are part of to work. What they don't want, is for Pashtun civilians, women and children to be dying in Miranshah, Bajaur etc.

To deny this reality, is as equally delusional as the brainwashed "Pathans" who say all Pashtuns are diehard Pakistani nationalists, hate Afghans, want to adopt the Urdu-Punjabi "Pakistani" identity, whilst in reality a nationalist party, the ANP, rules Pashtunkhwa with the votes of Pashtuns.

[IamDZJ]

i hear pakistan has recently started teaching chinese to their children in schools rather than english.

[Bengal_Tiger]

So far the poll is:

83% think there will be an operation of some sort ranging from a limited strike to all out invasion.

58% think there will be a major attack.

If the majority (at the time of writing) are correct, then as I said any major anti-Haqqani operation in FATA may lead to all hell breaking lose, it may lead to the unification of all major FATA tribes to fight the Americans.

Whether or not the tribals or TTP then also want to extend this against the Pakistan army remains to be seen. However it seems the tribals probably wouldn't as Pakistani government is speaking against any such attack, thus the government would not be seen as complicit.

The TTP however has declared the Pakistani state and army as its enemy.

Real military power and muscle lies with the tribals though.