Legend of Massoud Flourishes, but Can’t Bridge an Afghan Chasm

[graveyardofempires]

Waiting for admins reaction to scimitar's post.

so according to this guy somalians who are in need of help are actually whorign themselves to get aid.

[faye]

aren't the taliban 'said to be' collecting money, for allowing safe passage of trucks with supplies?

[khushal]

aren't the taliban 'said to be' collecting money, for allowing safe passage of trucks with supplies?

everybody with a gun is not taliban. there are also tribesmen that do that. I dont know about today bu tin the past in waziristan and other FATA areas when pakistani army or other supply trucks moved through waziristan, the army had to pay the tribesmen money for safe passage over their territory.

When Wazir Akbar Khan gave safe passsage to the british from kabul to Jalalabad, he told the mashrikeen tribesmen that the Brits are carrying gold and other valuables and are vulnerable so the tribesmen attacked them for their booty.

This has nothing to do with Taliban. It is economics. The tribes live on land whose economy can not support them so they come up with ways to make a living ie growing poppy, allowing safe passage through dangerous territory, whatever comes to their mind.

[unknownprince]

Arabs have been treacherous for a long time. they joined the French and British, and brought down the Ottoman Khilafa.

Their history is full of such treachery.

[unknownprince]

by your logic
Well since Hamas claims to control gaza, therefore every armed person in gaza is hamas, therfore these armed inviduals has to be hamas. Any way you cut it, hamas killed these innocent palistinians.

here is another video of hamas killing and torturing fata members which is also a palistinians group

Shocking testimonials about HAMAS - YouTube

its in arabic so you would understand it, let us know if the subtitles are wrong because it is shocking.

How hypocritical he is? He excuses Hamas, a known terrorist group, but demonizes the Taliban which is not a terrorist group?

Notice how Scimitar defends ARABS all the time, yet seems quite keen on bashing Pashtuns every chance he gets.

He makes up bs on the get go. Despite being proved wrong, he continues to insist otherwise. You can't debate a person who has a brick brain on purpose.

Scimitar just hates Afghans/Pashtuns.

[faye]

everybody with a gun is not taliban. there are also tribesmen that do that. I dont know about today bu tin the past in waziristan and other FATA areas when pakistani army or other supply trucks moved through waziristan, the army had to pay the tribesmen money for safe passage over their territory.

When Wazir Akbar Khan gave safe passsage to the british from kabul to Jalalabad, he told the mashrikeen tribesmen that the Brits are carrying gold and other valuables and are vulnerable so the tribesmen attacked them for their booty.

This has nothing to do with Taliban. It is economics. The tribes live on land whose economy can not support them so they come up with ways to make a living ie growing poppy, allowing safe passage through dangerous territory, whatever comes to their mind.

this is so. but some governments were being reprimanded for paying out to the taliban. they may not be taliban but they may be. you can't definitely say that it is not so khushal. i mean you can say it....but you don't know for sure, right?

[unknownprince]

^
wow anything about arabs (not that i dont like hamas or believe that conspiracy) an dits conpiracy while when it is about Pashtuns its hard to believe.

He defends every single Arab action, yet he does not afford the same attitude to Pashtuns? One starts to wonder what the heck is he trying to say?

That Pashtuns are the evil people of the world??

[Haris]

ScimitarXEdge, AIDs is a very serious and yes a very real issue, I am sure you are aware of this. For that reason I am dissapointed that you would use it so lightly in such a way as to insinuate that certain users may suffer from this serious disease simply to get a point across. If one's argument is solid enough then they don't resort to such personal attacks.

This is a warning. Everyone else, keep the personal attacks to a minimum, we are not going to be as lenient as before.

[khushal]

this is so. but some governments were being reprimanded for paying out to the taliban. they may not be taliban but they may be. you can't definitely say that it is not so khushal. i mean you can say it....but you don't know for sure, right?

you are right, they could be but not neccesarily.

Even in this documentary, they say they are Taliban and even the title of the documentary says they are Taliban but the Journalist reveals and knows and anyone familiar with Afghanistan knows they are HIG(Hekmatyar forces) forces who are not Taliban.

Watch The Full Program Online | Behind Taliban Lines | FRONTLINE | PBS

The Taliban are good at one thing and this is the reason they are winning the war for hearts and minds, they are very good at brokering peace agreements between conflicting tribes or conflicting villages. Especially the Haqqanis, they are very influential in eastern Afghanistan. People used to use tribal elders or even the government to resolve conflict, the problem with that is that they take bribes so the decision would be impartial. The Taliban are known not to take bribes and they enforce the peace agreement between the conflicting parties.

I mean think about this Faye, if you have a conflict with someone in Australia and you sue the party and go to court. If the judge is able to be bribed, and the other party bribes the judge and makes a biased decision. Would you not be pissed off because you could not afford the bribe. Now think about the power one would have with the people if they could organize and create a shadow institution where people could go to and resolve conflict impartially. Its very easy for the Taliban do to this because the tribes don't really have any respect for the government in the first place.

[ScimitarXEdge]

He defends every single Arab action, yet he does not afford the same attitude to Pashtuns? One starts to wonder what the heck is he trying to say?

That Pashtuns are the evil people of the world??

if i defended every single Arab action, why would I put out that there are Gulf Arabs who support the Taliban, who I openly oppose? Seems pretty asinine.

but naturally you'll play the ethnic card when you have such a weak debate.

[khushal]

there is no indication here that this is HAMAS except the guys commentary. That would be like me making a random video of inner city Philadelphia and saying "oh hey look that's the Taliban", this isn't an sort of official news source

...your rational is trying to Texas Sharp Shoot anything to fit your definition of killing civilians.

just because you dont want to admit Taliban wilfully murder civilians.

I am using your own logic Scimitar, so lets continue, if you have any resistance groups you admire, let me know, I will expose them as the slave they are and kill their own people as well.

Here is an interview straight from the horses mouth about how HAMAS is the slave of Iranian, syrian, egyptian, saudi masters and kills their own children and civilians for strategic depth of foreign countries.

Hamas kills Gazans Palestinians - Mosab Hassan Yousef 2011 interview - YouTube

[randolph85]

the "son of hamas" guy isnt exactly a reliable source.

hamas doesn't fire rockets at their own people like they do israelis. the taliban suicide bombs their own people, like they do nato.

[randolph85]

you are right, they could be but not neccesarily.

Even in this documentary, they say they are Taliban and even the title of the documentary says they are Taliban but the Journalist reveals and knows and anyone familiar with Afghanistan knows they are HIG(Hekmatyar forces) forces who are not Taliban.

Watch The Full Program Online | Behind Taliban Lines | FRONTLINE | PBS

The Taliban are good at one thing and this is the reason they are winning the war for hearts and minds, they are very good at brokering peace agreements between conflicting tribes or conflicting villages. Especially the Haqqanis, they are very influential in eastern Afghanistan. People used to use tribal elders or even the government to resolve conflict, the problem with that is that they take bribes so the decision would be impartial. The Taliban are known not to take bribes and they enforce the peace agreement between the conflicting parties.

I mean think about this Faye, if you have a conflict with someone in Australia and you sue the party and go to court. If the judge is able to be bribed, and the other party bribes the judge and makes a biased decision. Would you not be pissed off because you could not afford the bribe. Now think about the power one would have with the people if they could organize and create a shadow institution where people could go to and resolve conflict impartially. Its very easy for the Taliban do to this because the tribes don't really have any respect for the government in the first place.

id say the taliban are better at killing tribal leaders than they are talking to them.

[khushal]

the "son of hamas" guy isnt exactly a reliable source.

hamas doesn't fire rockets at their own people like they do israelis. the taliban suicide bombs their own people, like they do nato.

According to Scimitar, defectors are the most reliable and sincere people.

I have already proved they fire rockets from civilians institutions forcing the israeli to shoot back guaranteeing palistinian civilian deaths. They do this intentionally. They are playing a double game like the Pakistanis like shytan would.

Hamas War Crimes | Hamas' war crimes - Los Angeles Times

[khushal]

id say the taliban are better at killing tribal leaders than they are talking to them.

Watch how HAMAS kills unarmed Fatah elders

HAMAS KILL FATAH PEAPLE IN GAZA