Legend of Massoud Flourishes, but Can’t Bridge an Afghan Chasm

[randolph85]

According to Scimitar, defectors are the most reliable and sincere people.

I have already proved they fire rockets from civilians institutions forcing the israeli to shoot back guaranteeing palistinian civilian deaths. They do this intentionally. They are playing a double game like the Pakistanis like shytan would.

Hamas War Crimes | Hamas' war crimes - Los Angeles Times

civilian institutions? this is an army ruling over one of the most densely populated places on earth. u could fire from anywhere in gaza and the israeli kikes would still call it an civilian institution.

but alas, hamas still doesn't bomb its own people like it tries to the israelis.

[randolph85]

Watch how HAMAS kills unarmed Fatah elders

HAMAS KILL FATAH PEAPLE IN GAZA

i never said they were angles, but if hamas is following taliban tactics, why do u demonize hamas and praise the taliban?

at least hamas kills their enemies, whether their labeling of enemies is right or wrong is up for debate, but they don't bomb civilians in gaza or the west bank.

[ScimitarXEdge]

How hypocritical he is? He excuses Hamas, a known terrorist group, but demonizes the Taliban which is not a terrorist group?

Notice how Scimitar defends ARABS all the time, yet seems quite keen on bashing Pashtuns every chance he gets.

He makes up bs on the get go. Despite being proved wrong, he continues to insist otherwise. You can't debate a person who has a brick brain on purpose.

Scimitar just hates Afghans/Pashtuns.

HAMAS dosn't kill its down people, they're legitimately resisting israel; Taliban are purpsely murdering women and children; HUGE difference. It has nothing to do with arabs but Ghairat

you're the beghairat who tries to use the Ethnic scapegoat; If I was defending Arabs, why would I indicate that the Taliban get funding from Arabs from the Gulf, not exactly defending Arabs if you ask me. I defend the Just , regardless of ethnicity.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Watch how HAMAS kills unarmed Fatah elders

HAMAS KILL FATAH PEAPLE IN GAZA

where does it indicate in these videos that this is HAMAS?

[ScimitarXEdge]

I am using your own logic Scimitar, so lets continue, if you have any resistance groups you admire, let me know, I will expose them as the slave they are and kill their own people as well.

Here is an interview straight from the horses mouth about how HAMAS is the slave of Iranian, syrian, egyptian, saudi masters and kills their own children and civilians for strategic depth of foreign countries.

Hamas kills Gazans Palestinians - Mosab Hassan Yousef 2011 interview - YouTube

Mosab's statements are falsified becaue he says that says his goal was to betray Palestinians and Islam, so his clearly has a biased agenda.

Weekend Interview with Mosab Hassan Yousef: 'They Need to Be Liberated From Their God' - WSJ.com

'I absolutely know that in anybody's eyes I was a traitor," says Mosab Hassan Yousef. "To my family, to my nation, to my God. I crossed all the red lines in my society. I didn't leave one that I didn't cross."

Now 32, Mosab is the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef, a founder and leader of the Palestinian terrorist group Hamas. Throughout the last decade, from the second Intifada to the current stalemate, he worked alongside his father in the West Bank. During that time the younger Mr. Yousef also secretly embraced Christianity. And as he reveals in his book "Son of Hamas," out this week, he became one of the top spies for Israel's internal security arm, the Shin Bet.

even then he doesn't mention any documented incidences or his claims and he isn't a official source and he was never involved in HAMAS either, just his father was in HAMAS, thus on all accounts his claims are not pertinent.

You're not using my argument; because what I showed concrete examples; you're using very vacuous and untennable examples.

[ScimitarXEdge]

According to Scimitar, defectors are the most reliable and sincere people.

I have already proved they fire rockets from civilians institutions forcing the israeli to shoot back guaranteeing palistinian civilian deaths. They do this intentionally. They are playing a double game like the Pakistanis like shytan would.

Hamas War Crimes | Hamas' war crimes - Los Angeles Times

But even if that was my argument which it isn't. It wouldn't apply here; he openly admitted he sought to betray his own people to serve Israel.

Where as Mawlawi Azizullah and Mawlawi Nooruddin agha sought to betray Pakistani slaves the Taliban to HELP his people.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

Watch how HAMAS kills unarmed Fatah elders

HAMAS KILL FATAH PEAPLE IN GAZA

Its very problematic making blanket judgements on the Fatah-Hamas war. Alot of Hamas members lost lives to Fatah. Revenge was natural.

[Azmal]

@ scimitarx


first of all you should change your words , calling people aids sick , and suggesting they are also some thing else is highly offensive , go to tajikam or pak defence forum there you can speak like a faisha ,but not here !!!
those people will welcome you .they use the same language .

2.

i have also my critics with the taliban , and some of their policies , but i prefer every one of them over an american,saudi,paki etc. , at least they are my blood ,my brothers , my people .

its true that some saudis support some groups , but ask your self , if those saudis were such barve they would first liberate their own country from kafir us presence , instead finance wars oversee. so the only logic answer is , those people do it for their financial interesst in a post u.s afghanistan to seek leverage and influence , of course that must watched closely and if its against our national interesst we should say thank you ,pay them out , and ask to leave .


3.
i dont care about hamas or hizballah ( what a stupid name ,as if allah needs a political party ? ) we have our own problems , where no one cares , palestine is occupied since 50 years , so what ?

we have continous war for 30 years , and most of our so "islamic " brothers took great advantage of those wars , and supported them to .

our children also dies , our villages are also polluted but no one cares so much as they do abou palestine .

look at the arabs what they are doing , they "fight " for their freedom so can nato bomb their homes and towns , and their resourcess can be stolen by elf agitel or Bp or shell .

and then they are proud that they ousted a bad kafir president , and ofcourse he was kafir because he didnt danced like the others around POTUS.

Look into wayward simpletons Talibi supporters and their hateful rage of emptiness. The Paki girls are not only commit factual errors, but logical ones. There is no distinction between argumentation and testimony when it comes to these simpletons. In ever thread and post it ends up with irrelevant personal premises about their opponent, take for example Abdul the Paki Mule abusive ad hominem fallacy…personal attacking Farhat Taj instead of evaluating the cogency of Farhat Taj’s argument independently of the her identity.

[Azmal]

Mohmood 1, Paki girls 0.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Arabs have been treacherous for a long time. they joined the French and British, and brought down the Ottoman Khilafa.

Their history is full of such treachery.

Same can be argued about Pashtuns, Pashtuns joined the Pakis in British created Pakistan ..and it was Pashtun ISI members that orchestrated the turmoil in Afghanistan . Remember most of the commies in Afghanistan were Pashtun, Najib was Pashtun. The Taliban are largely Pashtun and they work for Pakistan

You should at least be grateful, I mean without those beghairat Gulf Sheikhs, the Taliban would have been extinguished years ago.

[khushal]

But even if that was my argument which it isn't. It wouldn't apply here; he openly admitted he sought to betray his own people to serve Israel.

Where as Mawlawi Azizullah and Mawlawi Nooruddin agha sought to betray Pakistani slaves the Taliban to HELP his people.

By your logic,
This guy openly admits to betray the Iranian, syrian, egyptian, saudi slaves who kill civilians on both sides to help his people break free from slavery.

As you can see from this official document there are others as well. see how hamas master syria arrests those that want to break their people free from slavery.

Hamas official accused of helping Mossad hit squad | World news | The Guardian

[khushal]

Its very problematic making blanket judgements on the Fatah-Hamas war. Alot of Hamas members lost lives to Fatah. Revenge was natural.

I'm trying to convey to Scimitar that these things are natural as you say in war. It takes great leaders to stop the insanity of revenge and useless killing. He admires HAMAS but they do as much immoral and wrong killing as does the Taliban, NA, Hazara, NATO, ANA and others do. He fails to see the real evil in war or the root cause of conflict.
This is his weird form of logic.

Explain why in this video HAMAS have to slaughter their own palistinian children. Take note Scimitar
Its Graphic so dont watch unless you can stomach it.


LiveLeak.com - Raw; (2005) Hamas Weapons Parade Accident Kills 15, including kids

[Daruish]

if i defended every single Arab action, why would I put out that there are Gulf Arabs who support the Taliban, who I openly oppose? Seems pretty asinine.

but naturally you'll play the ethnic card when you have such a weak debate.

AShraf Is the dumbest person on here, he talks about Islam but when people realize his motive he turns to typical racist. Just like his Dady Musharaf in below video.

Musharraf and Ahmad shah Masood - YouTube

What good Taliban he supports have done to Pashtun people?


He badmouths US and west while he lives in west himself. He wants the international security forces to leave Afghanistan but has no idea how he will prevent the Pakis and Irans to turn Afghanistan into ground for their dog fight once again. He talks about Islam this and that but has no plan to enable Muslim, praying to allah will never feed the starving kids. He has not actually thought of anything past his dislike for the US. Any future scenarios? plans? Nothing, which proves he is working for interest of Pakistan/Iran not Afghanistan.
Today Afghanistan is in the same situation as were in the end of 80s. We were only concerned with the departure of the Russians and were in no mood to join Dr. Najeeb's National Reconciliation Program. We had no plan for future. Then what happened? Civil war, starvation, malnutrition, Taliban, Terrorism etc.... a reality far far worse that shocked both Afghans and Afghanistan to their core. Religious people brought nothing but suffering for Afghanistan. Hell with these long ears.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Look into wayward simpletons Talibi supporters and their hateful rage of emptiness. The Paki girls are not only commit factual errors, but logical ones. There is no distinction between argumentation and testimony when it comes to these simpletons. In ever thread and post it ends up with irrelevant personal premises about their opponent, take for example Abdul the Paki Mule abusive ad hominem fallacy…personal attacking Farhat Taj instead of evaluating the cogency of Farhat Taj’s argument independently of the her identity.

Oh goooood you managed to you find your way back across the Amu darya LOOOOOL. I missed slapping you around a little here and a little there.

Regarding the cogency, was that the same cogency with which Telai evaluated your Lahori great great grandmother...???

you have yet to provide us the identity of this supposed Safi tribeswomen that was taken, willingly into bondage:

"Sardar Zakaria Khan, twenty-first son of Sardar Sultan Muhammad Khan Telai, by a slave - see Afghanistan (Telai). "

http://www.royalark.net/Afghanistan/zikria.htm

"m. (first) a Hajjibashi lady. m. (second) a Popalzai lady. m. (third) a Qizilbashi lady. m. (fourth) a second Popalzai lady. m. (fifth) a Bajauri lady. m. (sixth) a Barakzai lady. m. (seventh) a Bangaski lady. m. (eighth) a third Popalzai lady. m. (ninth) a Sadozai lady. m. (tenth) an Arab Khel lady from Peshawar. m. (eleventh) a Kazi Khel lady. m. (twelfth) a daughter of Nasru'llah Khan. m. (thirteenth) a lady from Kabul. m. (fourteenth) a second Qizilbashi lady. m. (fifteenth) a Nurizai lady. m. (sixteenth) a third Qizilbashi lady."

telai

Or, have you yet located that supposed Yusufzai slave that you concocted as a wife of AbdulRahman???:

" m. (first) Maryam Begum, Bobo Jahan-i-Qal'a-i-Hazara (d.s.p.), daughter of Sardar Faqir Muhammad Khan, a Barakzai. m. (second) Bibi Walida Jahan (d. March 1915), daughter of Mir Jahandar Shah, Uzbek Mir of Badarkhshan. m. (third) ca. 1865, a daughter of H.H. Amir ul-Muminim Sayyid Amir Muzaffar ud-din 'Abdul Khan Bahadur Sultan, Amir of Bokhara. m. (fourth) 1875, after the birth of her sons, Asal Begum, previously Gulraz Bibi, a former slave-girl from Wakhan and Samarkand. m. (fifth) at Kabul, 22nd November 1880, Bibi Halima, Bobo Jahan-i-Jaghadar Begum (d. at Kabul, 1925), his Chief wife, daughter of Sayyid Mir Atiqu'llah Khan, by his wife, Shams-i-Jahan Begum, eldest daughter of H.H. Amir al-Mumenin, Amir-i-Kabir, Amir Dost Muhammad Khan, Amir of Afghanistan. m. (sixth) before 1882, a daughter of Mir Hakim Khan, Nizam ud-Daula, Mir of Shibarghan. m. (seventh) Safura Begum [Bibi Staro], a Chitrali lady. m. (eighth) Padshah Begum, daughter of a Mazari Sayyid from Balkh. m. (ninth) Bibi Gulraz II, a Kohlabi consort from Gulistani. m. (tenth) Bibi Zahara, a Shighani consort. m. (eleventh) Sajida Begum (d.s.p.), eldest daughter of Mir Muhammad 'Ali Khan Yaftali, of Badakhshan. m. (twelfth) a Kohlabi consort. m. (thirteenth) Bibi Nekadam (d. ca. 1886), a Chitrali consort. m. (thirteenth) a daughter of Muhammad Husain Khan Ming, of Maimana."

Ooooh, shes missing...

So what we have as a Farsiwaan named Azmal who leaped across the Amu Darya and absurdly claimed Pakistani identity, but did it badly, making his beatings all the more enjoyable.

Oh wait, he also claimed he was related to Khalid Hosseini and Najibullah and Daud daud and Arasala and Ghani etc. LOOOOL

The reason I cannot take Farhat Taj seriously, Azmal, is that she also has a fishy odor like you do... once you clean off that smell of inferiority, we can start to take you seriously. Until then, entertain me some more.

[ScimitarXEdge]

[FONT=Times New Roman]AShraf I[SIZE=3]s the dumbest person on here, he talks about Islam but when people realize his motive he turns to typical racist. Just like his Dady Musharaf in below video.

people like Massoud are no differet than the Taliban, in fact they're just another form of the Taliban; who just got upset that the ISI gave Taliban money and not them.