They hate us

[faye]

hey beavis, you are wrong. don't you know anything about the american indians belief systems? do a bit of research.

[Daruish]

[QUOTE=AshrafGhaljay;495008]

Taliban don't go to Europe and kill Europeans. They do not care about Europeans. They care only about Afghanistan, and want to end the US occupation.

Ahmaq!!! Are you in western country or not? Do you live in western society but still cheer for Taliban and other animals. You enjoy the liberal democracy of western society, practice your culture, and religion freely but opposite the same right for others in Afghanistan. Your Goosala e Ahmaq!

The Taliban don't give a RATSSS ASSS about filthy Western culture LIKE YOU do. They, like all Afghans want Afghanistan to be free, and therefore OPPOSE and RESENT the US occupation. Take your Saleh slavery somewhere else. Ahmad Shah BABA founded the Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan, not some donkey Ahmad SHAW MASOODOVSKY
Keep your slavery to yourself. The Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan was founded by the late Amir-Al-Mumineen Ahmad Shah Baba, and not Ahmad SHAW MAsoodovsky OK?

Taliban want to "cleanse" the country from "western" culture and influences and go back to "puritan" form of Islam and kill people who oppose their interruption of Islam with western created AK47. Ahmaq e Khar you the problem here? By supporting fanatics like Taliban, the Norwegian guy has full right to kill all Muslim and destroy all Masjeed to cleanse his country from those primitive Muslim that are sucking the welfare of western countries.

There is a difference between being occupied and having a tolerant society. Taliban, just like most Afghans resent the US occupation. They will never tolerate it. Are you equating the Afghan resistance to the foreign occupation as being intolerant? LMAO LMAO

OMG, how RETARDED?

Your not only Ahmaq but Lawda, every thing has a limit. The concept of a country and nation in the context of today civility is based on certain solid principles. To be part of a nation we need to strictly observe them unconditionally. These principles are outlined as below:



We are the creation of Allah (j). We have to respect the creation of Allah unconditionally. Accordingly, we cannot discriminate people because of their ethnicity, race, language and religion. God has created you men and women. We have to respect the creation of God. We cannot discriminate people on the base of their gender.


We are created free and we are free to think. There is no power in the world to stop us to think. In the context of civility, you are free to express your thinking freely. This is called freedom of conscience. You cannot censor people's freedom of thinking or its free demonstration.

Freedom of language is your right. You can freely choose any language you deem suit for you. You are free to choose any religion you think good for you. It is your right to have your social and political views.
You and your Taliban thugs are free to believe any interruption of Islam, even the Pakistani version of locking woman in home, banning music, and growing beard. No one should object to them. On the other end they have no right to tell Afghan people what to do, how to practice their religion. Forcing people to following their version of Deobandi/Wahabi nonsense is a crime against Islam.

[Daruish]

You uneducated FOOL. This country belongs to the NATIVE AMERICANS, Australia belongs to the Aboriginals. Canada belongs to the NAtive Americans .

New Zealand belongs to NATIVES, not Anglo-Saxons.


Not your father, the pig. The pig is from Europe.

Gosale E Ahmaq, America is a Judeo-Christian nation based on secularism, separation of the Churches and State. The law of country allows even a Ahmaq like you basic human rights, to practice your culture, religion, believes and custom. American law protect your liberty, and property, including freedoms of religion, speech, a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the right to keep and bear arms.You can voice against state, and even openly criticizes any religion, and burn bible. US grants you freedom of movement, freedom of thought, to the point that Ahmaqs like you even can support fanatics like Taliban, a group that is against all the mention rights. So the Norwegian guy has full right to put a bullet in your head, just as Taliban would if someone preach Christianity or any other religion and throw you Kasafaats out of west. The western society is basd on Judeo-Christianity you have no right to be here.

[unknownprince]

you supporter of traitors and invaders,

I WANT AFGHANISTAN TO BE LEFT ALONE.

GET OUT MY COUNTRY YOU MUNAFIQ AND SUPPORTER OF OPPRESSORS

GET OUT< AND TAKE YOUR MOZDAH AWAY TOO,
\
DIRTY CULTURE YOU HAVE


GET OUT OF THE ISLAMIC EMIRATE FOUNDED BY THE FIRST AMIR AL_ MUMINEEN AHMAD SHAH BABA


LEAVE MY COUNTRY ALONE YOU SLAVE

[unknownprince]

Gosale E Ahmaq, America is a Judeo-Christian nation based on secularism, separation of the Churches and State. The law of country allows even a Ahmaq like you basic human rights, to practice your culture, religion, believes and custom. American law protect your liberty, and property, including freedoms of religion, speech, a free press, free assembly, and free association, as well as the right to keep and bear arms.You can voice against state, and even openly criticizes any religion, and burn bible. US grants you freedom of movement, freedom of thought, to the point that Ahmaqs like you even can support fanatics like Taliban, a group that is against all the mention rights. So the Norwegian guy has full right to put a bullet in your head, just as Taliban would if someone preach Christianity or any other religion and throw you Kasafaats out of west. The western society is basd on Judeo-Christianity you have no right to be here.

this country belongs to the RED INDIANS you slave, traitor.

It does not belong to the PIGGieS YOU SELL YOURSELF TO

[unknownprince]

[QUOTE=Daruish;495069]

Ahmaq!!! Are you in western country or not? Do you live in western society but still cheer for Taliban and other animals. You enjoy the liberal democracy of western society, practice your culture, and religion freely but opposite the same right for others in Afghanistan. Your Goosala e Ahmaq!





Taliban want to "cleanse" the country from "western" culture and influences and go back to "puritan" form of Islam and kill people who oppose their interruption of Islam with western created AK47. Ahmaq e Khar you the problem here? By supporting fanatics like Taliban, the Norwegian guy has full right to kill all Muslim and destroy all Masjeed to cleanse his country from those primitive Muslim that are sucking the welfare of western countries.



Your not only Ahmaq but Lawda, every thing has a limit. The concept of a country and nation in the context of today civility is based on certain solid principles. To be part of a nation we need to strictly observe them unconditionally. These principles are outlined as below:



We are the creation of Allah (j). We have to respect the creation of Allah unconditionally. Accordingly, we cannot discriminate people because of their ethnicity, race, language and religion. God has created you men and women. We have to respect the creation of God. We cannot discriminate people on the base of their gender.


We are created free and we are free to think. There is no power in the world to stop us to think. In the context of civility, you are free to express your thinking freely. This is called freedom of conscience. You cannot censor people's freedom of thinking or its free demonstration.

Freedom of language is your right. You can freely choose any language you deem suit for you. You are free to choose any religion you think good for you. It is your right to have your social and political views.
You and your Taliban thugs are free to believe any interruption of Islam, even the Pakistani version of locking woman in home, banning music, and growing beard. No one should object to them. On the other end they have no right to tell Afghan people what to do, how to practice their religion. Forcing people to following their version of Deobandi/Wahabi nonsense is a crime against Islam.

YOU LIAR MUNAFIQ,

THIS LAND BELONGS TO THE NATIVE AMERICANS, THE RED INDIANS- IS THAT CLEAR TO YOU, not to the pigs you sell yourself to. Have some shame for once in your life Kabulzada.


your people were/are torturing women in the North, thats what they are known for.

InshAllah these criminals are going to get wiped out. Criminals like Daud Daud, may he burn in hell.

You trash, you come here spreading LIES

YOU liar.

in the month of Ramadan.

You spread LIES

Taliban arose to power because of rapists like your people who were torturing women. You call that equality. If they were too extreme, it because of your rapists warlords, thats why. They reacted with harshness to wipe your filthy criminals out. Your warlords and their gangs who are known to torture women and children. Thats why the Talibs arose to power you uneducated slave of a pig.

Spread your filth somewhere else. Keep selling yourself to the pigs.

You have no honor.


GET OUT OF THE ISLAMIC EMIRATE FOUNDED BY THE LATE and FIRST AMIR AL-MUMINEEN AHMAD SHAH BABA

LEAVE MY LAND ALONE YOU TRAITOR.

YOUR PEOPLES TREACHERY WILL NEVER BE FORGIVEN< IS THAT CLEAR TO YOU BLIND ONE.

[graveyardofempires]

Listen, Kunwaaz!

I discuss with people who have knowledge and stand for something.
Scimitar has something he can promote, he has a clear cut world view and it is productive to talk to him.

Bazengaraan like you and Ashraf can discuss with each other.
That´s not my business.

your business is ignorance and using a couple of Pashto words and those also such words doesnt make you a Pashtun.Where did you learn those words?from your bachabazee friend?

[AFG21]

you supporter of traitors and invaders,

I WANT AFGHANISTAN TO BE LEFT ALONE.

GET OUT MY COUNTRY YOU MUNAFIQ AND SUPPORTER OF OPPRESSORS

GET OUT< AND TAKE YOUR MOZDAH AWAY TOO,
\
DIRTY CULTURE YOU HAVE


GET OUT OF THE ISLAMIC EMIRATE FOUNDED BY THE FIRST AMIR AL_ MUMINEEN AHMAD SHAH BABA


LEAVE MY COUNTRY ALONE YOU SLAVE

Leave MOZDAH alone she is sexy and fights for women rights.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Leave MOZDAH alone she is sexy and fights for women rights.

hahahhahahhhahhahahahahhahah

[ScimitarXEdge]

You mean like Ahmad Shah´s sons who made Kabul their capital, Farsi their language of court and were Farsi poets?

I see.....

By dividing the world into ideological blocks we create hatred towards those who are not part of our block. That´s obvious.

You can promote diversity without hating others.

Islamic ideology gets implemented to expand and to make us all Muslims.
It´s not promoting diversity and pluralism in it´s essence.

No one can deny that!

or Abdur Rahman who sent Pashtun tribes in the North or the Nationalistic Pashtuns who made Pashto a compulsory subject for Non-Pashtuns.

But lets not forget those same Pashtun leaders who adopted farsi are what motivates the Us. Vs. Them animus we see today


Islamic Ideology is 100 times more pluralistic than any form of nationalism. You can be any ethnicity or culture and be a Muslim

You can't be anything BUT a Pashtun to be a Pashtun Nationalist..

..Your viewpoints themselves constitute an ideology, whether you admit this or not is your own deficiency to be intellectually honest.

Us Vs. Them is an UNAVOIDABLE consequence of difference, the type of pluralism you speak of is unrealistic and impractical and unproductive

My only point was to demonstrate that the paradoxical distinction you make of "your group" not representing an "us vs. them" paradigm is something you show selectivity towards because you don't want to see the criticism applies to your beliefs as well, not that it's meritable to begin with.

I'm sorry your argument isn't sincere in the least

[ScimitarXEdge]

This is absolutly true!

This war can not be avoided.

Two ideas that claim to be omnipotent cannot coexist!

The question remains how much the Afghan people wanted that war to be fought on their expense. I am sure they weren´t that keen to be subject of another proxy war again....

Even if there was only one ideology or no ideology claiming to be impotent.

A corrupt exploitationally based hegemony, is bad for our planet on the whole. It's not even benevolent, it is purely self serving

the AFghan people would have been in the war regardless....it is GLOBAL and Afghans are apart of the Globe and hence their involvement would be there, now or later.

[Azmal]

you supporter of traitors and invaders,

I WANT AFGHANISTAN TO BE LEFT ALONE.

GET OUT MY COUNTRY YOU MUNAFIQ AND SUPPORTER OF OPPRESSORS

GET OUT< AND TAKE YOUR MOZDAH AWAY TOO,
\
DIRTY CULTURE YOU HAVE


GET OUT OF THE ISLAMIC EMIRATE FOUNDED BY THE FIRST AMIR AL_ MUMINEEN AHMAD SHAH BABA


LEAVE MY COUNTRY ALONE YOU SLAVE

Paki schmuck…how about your sister way? Attending “Kafir” school system…studying bible and wearing those catholic school girls uniform…hu?

[unknownprince]

Hello King of Porn, munafiq kissing American backside, smelling of shiiiit,y

Keep your dirty and filthy culture away, you King of Porn

[Azmal]

or Abdur Rahman who sent Pashtun tribes in the North or the Nationalistic Pashtuns who made Pashto a compulsory subject for Non-Pashtuns.

But lets not forget those same Pashtun leaders who adopted farsi are what motivates the Us. Vs. Them animus we see today


Islamic Ideology is 100 times more pluralistic than any form of nationalism. You can be any ethnicity or culture and be a Muslim

You can't be anything BUT a Pashtun to be a Pashtun Nationalist..

..Your viewpoints themselves constitute an ideology, whether you admit this or not is your own deficiency to be intellectually honest.

Us Vs. Them is an UNAVOIDABLE consequence of difference, the type of pluralism you speak of is unrealistic and impractical and unproductive

My only point was to demonstrate that the paradoxical distinction you make of "your group" not representing an "us vs. them" paradigm is something you show selectivity towards because you don't want to see the criticism applies to your beliefs as well, not that it's meritable to begin with.

I'm sorry your argument isn't sincere in the least

Mahmood,
Not standing the fact that political Islam is not only reactionary on status of women and even responsible for fanatic excesses directed against non-Muslim citizens…most important even against different Islamic sect…Shia vs. Suni…thus it is fundamentally reactionary and therefore obviously cannot participate in the progress of peoples liberation!
The million dollar question is which Islamic Ideology is 100 times more pluralistic?
I think if there is any freedom that Afghans cherish it is the right to practice their religion, Islam, as they see fit. Whether they are Sufis or Shia or Hanafi ullama or casual practitioners, Afghans will not accept any limits on their ability to practice their religion. That's just reality…this is why you will not accept ISI lap dogs-- Taliban and this paki lowly frauds Ashraf. Now, only when EVERYONE (including people called "Kafirs") are allowed to practice as they see fit, will you or any other Muslim be also guaranteed the right to practice their faith.
If you allow the government to establish an "official" religion would actually be disastrous to the country and especially to those who value religion. However, in separating religion from the state, it must follow that even those who do not follow ANY religion, must be given rights and security. After all, how can you guarantee your own right to practice as you choose (nor not practice) when some are not given this right? The answer is you cannot guarantee your rights when you're not prepared to guarantee others' rights.

Remember that the original arguments for the separation of religion and the state came from very religious people who witnessed the corrupting influence of politics with religions and vice versa. Any look at the Afghan Islamic parties or gov will show that the same thing holds for us.

Let me give you a simple example. When I went to Afghanistan in 2002 I found out that most of the Masjids are run by crooks and liars and that the state of religious education and spiritual experience is very bad. We SHOULD HAVE THE RIGHT to form our own mosque -- with our own money, our own appointed clerics promoting our own views, with our own curriculum on religious training and marketed towards people who think like us.
Under an "Islamic" state, we do not have such a right. Only the state can set up a mosque and tell us what or what not to believe. This is screwed up and, in the end, it will wind up corrupting and polluting both politics AND religion.

[AFG21]

^
Finaly someone whith brains around here.