What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar

[graveyardofempires]

mostafa1919 = comradepashtun

[khushal]

Alleged Domestic NA ruling Afghanistan


Alleged foreign proxies ruling Afghanistan



I still don't know why the "alleged foreign proxies" have the support of the domestic population. Someone explain it to me what I'm not seeing in the pics.

[khushal]

Alleged domestic NA soldier



Alleged foreign proxy soldier



I guess Mostafa is right. The Afghans are stupid to support the alleged foreigners proxies, they should be smart and support the alleged domestic NA soldiers.

[unknownprince]

Lol - the alleged foreign proxies really came from Pakistan. They are punjabis who had plastic surgery (facial reconstruction ) and then also proceeded to replace their vocal boxes so that the pashto they learned over a year and a half could be more authentic.

My guess is they then proceeded to take on identities of real people. What this means is that they killed someone, and then took his identity. They paid the families of these people to pretend that they were their actual son. brother, etc.

All in all, about 20,000 of these people managed to do this, and rule Afghanistan for 4 years.

[MostafaM]

How can people be so dull and live in denial?

I think I had asked this question before:

1. where do the Taliban get their weapons, logistics and intelligence from?

2. what are the aims of those who support them with these means?

3. what do those entities expect in returen for their help for the Taliban because we do not live in a altruistic world nowadays?

[unknownprince]

I answered every single moronic point of yours, and you could not refute the evidence that I presented which shows the Taliban enjoying considerable support in Afghanistan.

You already lost the argument. You proved nothing which is not known.


Whether the Taliban receives support from Pakistan, Iran, China, or aliens from Mars, it doesn't negate the premises on which they stand at all. It also does not explain how they control the majority of Afghanistan, and have support from Afghans.

Are the Afghans that support them Paksitanis?

Im not going to go in circles with you. All you have done, is repeated your own stupid ideas without presenting evidence at all. You can't present any evidence because you have none at all which shows that the Taliban's resistance to the occupation is not supported by the Afghan people.

While were at it, why is the ANA backed and trained by the US? Why is Karzai backed by the US? Why is he their puppet? Why does the US get backing by another bunch of losers from Europe? Oh, but why? Why? Why?

WHy is Karzai backed by the US? Why is the ANA serving the US? Oh, but Why?

You want me talk like you now LOL


All you do is repeat your same phrases without providing evidence. Your words are meaningless

[unknownprince]

Alleged domestic NA soldier



Alleged foreign proxy soldier



I guess Mostafa is right. The Afghans are stupid to support the alleged foreigners proxies, they should be smart and support the alleged domestic NA soldiers.

LOL, yeah he wants us to believe that the "alleged Afghan proxies" don't have support in Afghanistan, but the alleged NA domestic people do.

Might as well say the sky is green

[graveyardofempires]

How can people be so dull and live in denial?

I think I had asked this question before:

1. where do the Taliban get their weapons, logistics and intelligence from?

2. what are the aims of those who support them with these means?

3. what do those entities expect in returen for their help for the Taliban because we do not live in a altruistic world nowadays?

your questtions are irrelevant and has nothing to do with reality.
its you who is living in denial and labeling Afghans resisting foreign occupation as invaders and foreign supported.

[MostafaM]

2. what are the aims of those who support them with these means?

3. what do those entities expect in returen for their help for the Taliban because we do not live in a altruistic world nowadays?

[graveyardofempires]

2:thats actually the otherway around,what are the objectives fo foreign forces from their puppets installed in Kabul?/what makes you think someone has their own agenda behind taliban?,i mean you could use your brain and watch and listen.
do you speak pashto,dari,urd and english?

3:i dont knwo what you are talking abotu dude?so you are calling the victim actually the invader.

[MostafaM]

2:thats actually the otherway around,what are the objectives fo foreign forces from their puppets installed in Kabul?/what makes you think someone has their own agenda behind taliban?,i mean you could use your brain and watch and listen.
do you speak pashto,dari,urd and english?

3:i dont knwo what you are talking abotu dude?so you are calling the victim actually the invader.

2. We had established that tne US invasion and occupation was caused by 9/11 and the harbouring of every Tom&**** in international terrorism in Afghanistan.

I speak all the languages you mentioned, but you still have to answer in plausible words what the aims of those people and entities are who support the Taliban activly.

3. We had already established who helps and guides the Taliban.
The question is: what is their reason that they provide help for Taliban and what do they want in return for supplying the Taliban?
What are their strategic goals?

[graveyardofempires]

2. We had established that tne US invasion and occupation was caused by 9/11 and the harbouring of every Tom&**** in international terrorism in Afghanistan.

I speak all the languages you mentioned, but you still have to answer in plausible words what the aims of those people and entities are who support the Taliban activly.

3. We had already established who helps and guides the Taliban.
The question is: what is their reason that they provide help for Taliban and what do they want in return for supplying the Taliban?
What are their strategic goals?

2: do you have any proof that afghans wer involved in those terrorist attacks?and how many Afghans ahev you killed so far?
Taliban get support from people of Afghanistan and muslims in general so whats your point?

3:no,you in your mind had established along with the failed afghan puppet to blame it on others and delegitimise the legitimate Afghan resistance by calling them foreign puppets while it is more than obvious who the puppets are.

i mean just look at the ramadan mubarak video of American army general,thats how it is all conducted.

you do something and before someone find out about it,blam it on the opposite party.

[unknownprince]

2. We had established that tne US invasion and occupation was caused by 9/11 and the harbouring of every Tom&**** in international terrorism in Afghanistan.

I speak all the languages you mentioned, but you still have to answer in plausible words what the aims of those people and entities are who support the Taliban activly.

3. We had already established who helps and guides the Taliban.
The question is: what is their reason that they provide help for Taliban and what do they want in return for supplying the Taliban?
What are their strategic goals?

They invaded Iraq, They invaded Vietnam, Korea, Iraq again. None of their wars are provoked. They had attacked Afghanistan even before the alleged 9/11, they fired rockets into Afghanistan.

You trying to justify occupation and war shows you are the biggest traitor to Afghanistan,.

This thread proves that this war is nothing about terrorism at all.

BTW, they fund and support American Blackwater terrorism.

They wanted to rule/install a puppet for the TAPI oil pipeline which mashAllah has failed hahaha.

Stop supporting invasion of your own country if it is even your country.

[unknownprince]

What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar

What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar - Indian Punchline


By M K Bhadrakumar – July 31, 2011




What really prompted US president Barack Obama to change his mind and to allow himself at the last minute to be persuaded by his military commanders to opt for the ’surge’ in Afghanistan in end-2009 is crucial to understanding the current status of the war and its likely future trajectory. Among Obama’s inner circle, Vice-president Joe Biden was reportedly pitching against the ’surge’ at that time. The former Afghan PM Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai has now revealed what prompted the US ’surge’. ASA is a credible source, having been close to Burhanuddin Rabbani, Rasul Sayyaf in the Mujahideen government (where he served as PM along with Ahmed Shah Massoud as Defence Minister before fleeing for Turkey where he lived in exile during the Taliban regime.)
That ASA was the intermediary between the Americans and the Taliban in 2009 shows the wheels-within-wheels, as it were. (ASA did his graduate studies in the US; he lived in exile in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.) According to ASA, the main sticking point between the US and Taliban in the 2009 talks was that Mullah Omar was stubbornly opposed to the US request to allow permanent military bases in Afghanistan in a post-settlement era. Taliban was willing to compromise on other issues but when it came to the US bases, Omar was tough as nail. He apparently took the stance that “not one metre” of Afghan soil could come under foreign occupation. Interestingly, Omar was willing to negotiate the date of US withdrawal from Afghanistan and was prepared to be flexible on the actual date of withdrawal, but the US troops simply had to vacate at some point.
What emerges is that the Pentagon top brass decided to bleed the Taliban for its ‘obduracy’ apropos the US military bases, based on a strategy to weaken them and somehow compel them to compromise on the question of the permanent US military bases. Thus was born the ’surge’ strategy — make one big push to degrade the Taliban militarily before negotiating. So, looking back, when the Anglo-American thesis of the ‘good Taliban-bad-Taliban’ was shoved down the throat of countries like India at the the London conference in January 2010, Richard Holbrooke and Hillary Clinton indeed had a wholesome game plan. Alas, Indian diplomacy has been naive and continued to be enthusiastic about the ’surge’.
It stands to reason that there was some major intelligence failure and Delhi had no clue to what was really going on. Maybe it isn’t late even today for someone to talk with interlocutors like ASA and try to piece it all together. Unless we know reliably well what transpired between the US and the Taliban, how would we comprehend what is going to unfold in the coming period? Unsurprisingly, the US continues to keep us ‘briefed’ selectively on a need-to-know basis. Special Representative Marc Grossman visited Delhi just once. He is setting out again on a regional tour that will take him to Pakistan and the Central Asian region (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan). India remains a bystander. All this happened primarily because our diplomats chose to work as the ‘B Team’ of the American embassy in Kabul through the past decade since the ouster of the Taliban regime in 2001 and we didn’t diversify our contacts with the Afghan political elites and other regional powers.


Posted in Military, Politics.
Tagged with Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai, Marc Grossman, Richard Holbrooke, Taliban, US 'surge' in Afghanistan.
By M K Bhadrakumar – July 31, 2011

Obama was trying very very hard to force occupation and make Afghans accept occupation.

It will never happen, not in a million years.

No Afghan will ever tolerate foreign occupation.

This thread proves what this war was about.

terrorism is a farce, a pretext.

They are the biggest terrorists in the world. They support and fund drone attacks and airstrikes. They support and fund American terrorist group Blackwater.

[graveyardofempires]

ok
im out of this thread as its ramadan and i dont want to argue.