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    What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar

    What annoyed Obama about Mullah Omar - Indian Punchline


    By M K Bhadrakumar – July 31, 2011




    What really prompted US president Barack Obama to change his mind and to allow himself at the last minute to be persuaded by his military commanders to opt for the ’surge’ in Afghanistan in end-2009 is crucial to understanding the current status of the war and its likely future trajectory. Among Obama’s inner circle, Vice-president Joe Biden was reportedly pitching against the ’surge’ at that time. The former Afghan PM Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai has now revealed what prompted the US ’surge’. ASA is a credible source, having been close to Burhanuddin Rabbani, Rasul Sayyaf in the Mujahideen government (where he served as PM along with Ahmed Shah Massoud as Defence Minister before fleeing for Turkey where he lived in exile during the Taliban regime.)
    That ASA was the intermediary between the Americans and the Taliban in 2009 shows the wheels-within-wheels, as it were. (ASA did his graduate studies in the US; he lived in exile in Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Turkey.) According to ASA, the main sticking point between the US and Taliban in the 2009 talks was that Mullah Omar was stubbornly opposed to the US request to allow permanent military bases in Afghanistan in a post-settlement era. Taliban was willing to compromise on other issues but when it came to the US bases, Omar was tough as nail. He apparently took the stance that “not one metre” of Afghan soil could come under foreign occupation. Interestingly, Omar was willing to negotiate the date of US withdrawal from Afghanistan and was prepared to be flexible on the actual date of withdrawal, but the US troops simply had to vacate at some point.
    What emerges is that the Pentagon top brass decided to bleed the Taliban for its ‘obduracy’ apropos the US military bases, based on a strategy to weaken them and somehow compel them to compromise on the question of the permanent US military bases. Thus was born the ’surge’ strategy — make one big push to degrade the Taliban militarily before negotiating. So, looking back, when the Anglo-American thesis of the ‘good Taliban-bad-Taliban’ was shoved down the throat of countries like India at the the London conference in January 2010, Richard Holbrooke and Hillary Clinton indeed had a wholesome game plan. Alas, Indian diplomacy has been naive and continued to be enthusiastic about the ’surge’.
    It stands to reason that there was some major intelligence failure and Delhi had no clue to what was really going on. Maybe it isn’t late even today for someone to talk with interlocutors like ASA and try to piece it all together. Unless we know reliably well what transpired between the US and the Taliban, how would we comprehend what is going to unfold in the coming period? Unsurprisingly, the US continues to keep us ‘briefed’ selectively on a need-to-know basis. Special Representative Marc Grossman visited Delhi just once. He is setting out again on a regional tour that will take him to Pakistan and the Central Asian region (Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Turkmenistan). India remains a bystander. All this happened primarily because our diplomats chose to work as the ‘B Team’ of the American embassy in Kabul through the past decade since the ouster of the Taliban regime in 2001 and we didn’t diversify our contacts with the Afghan political elites and other regional powers.


    Posted in Military, Politics.
    Tagged with Ahmad Shah Ahmadzai, Marc Grossman, Richard Holbrooke, Taliban, US 'surge' in Afghanistan.
    By M K Bhadrakumar – July 31, 2011
    Last edited by Guest; 12-02-2011, 01:57 PM.

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    that Mullah Omar was stubbornly opposed to the US request to allow permanent military bases in Afghanistan in a post-settlement era. Taliban was willing to compromise on other issues but when it came to the US bases, Omar was tough as nail. He apparently took the stance that “not one metre” of Afghan soil could come under foreign occupation.
    Last edited by Guest; 12-02-2011, 01:58 PM.

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    • #3
      Brave man

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      • #4
        so they are fighting Afghan people because they want to impose occupation on them?

        This much is clear, and is damaging to their credibility even further. Their game is up.

        They should fix their own damned economy which can not be recovered rather than try to fight invincible people.

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        • #5
          Mullah Umar is a Mountain,a Giant,a Lion,in contrary to Obama a black dog of a Whiteman.
          High achievement always takes place in the framework of high expectation.

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          • #6
            Mullah Omar is a brave man and what he is saying is right, no wonder why Pashtun are not supporting them, who wants to be invaded by US and NATO.

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            • #7
              Mullah Omar is a legend. A mythical figure like Ganesha. Mullah Omar exists but not as Mullah Omar. Hamid Gul is Mullah Omar. Have anyone of you ever have seen Mullah Omar or any pictures of him? There are pictures of ''him'', but all of them differ from eachother. Why? Because he is a ISI general. Hope you will not see that as an offense to you. That is just the truth. Hamid Gul is a criminal who sacrify our economy and power against India and USA and behind our backs he co-operate with both of them.

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              • #8
                ALL lies, statements which are not backed by facts, that you repeat like a robot. Was Mirwais a myth too? You probably say Ahmad Shah Baba is a myth (note, not Shaw)

                ^ LOL, as much as Pakistani state has served the US, your Ahmad Shaw MasooDOV was no different. Both NA and the Pakistani state has served America to the fullest.
                Last edited by Guest; 07-31-2011, 01:12 PM.

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                • #9
                  that mullah omar was gay?
                  Last edited by Guest; 07-31-2011, 04:06 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Taraki, Amin, Karmal, Najib, Mujadedi, Rabbani, Mullah Omar and last as aswell as least Karzai Saib have said the same things.

                    They showed off with rhetorics over and over again.

                    So what?

                    Can a Wahhabi benamoos like Ahmadzai who first joined Rabbani and then Sayyaf be taken serious in what he says? We know how he fought alongside Massoudovsky while being one of Sayyaf´s loyal lapdogs.


                    You can colour your words a million times in black, red and green.
                    They won´t become more Afghan!
                    The only constant is change.

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                    • #11
                      like I said before, you present just statements without facts. Show me evidence for your claims. Show me sources.

                      Karzai is failure from the West who came to kill Afghans with the Americans, and tried to get rid of his inferiority complex. He never fought the Russians. He can never be compared to anyone- he has no credibility whatsoever.

                      He is a mere puppet for an occupation.
                      Last edited by Guest; 07-31-2011, 03:41 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Mostafa1919 View Post
                        Taraki, Amin, Karmal, Najib, Mujadedi, Rabbani, Mullah Omar and last as aswell as least Karzai Saib have said the same things.

                        They showed off with rhetorics over and over again.

                        So what?

                        Can a Wahhabi benamoos like Ahmadzai who first joined Rabbani and then Sayyaf be taken serious in what he says? We know how he fought alongside Massoudovsky while being one of Sayyaf´s loyal lapdogs.


                        You can colour your words a million times in black, red and green.
                        They won´t become more Afghan!
                        take your emotional rants, leave them. Take your own advice. Present me facts to back up all your claims.

                        Till then, nothing you say has any meaning whatsoever. You still fail to present facts and evidence to back up your claims.

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                        • #13
                          Well, I am not here to lecture you about the things that putschists, murderers and rapists who have taken the seat of Afghan president by force have said or not.

                          Just google some speeches of the mentioned people or watch some youtube videos. There are alot of criminal worshippers online like you.

                          Ahmadzai himself was second in command of Ittihad-e Mili....Sayyaf´s group.
                          He was allied to the Northern Alliance untill 2001.
                          That group has changed it´s name and calls itself "Islamic Dawah Organisation".

                          Und this benamoos´ command many atrocities were committed.



                          You know Ashraf, once again:
                          you are not just allowed to educate yourself, I encourage you to do so!
                          The only constant is change.

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                          • #15
                            [QUOTE=Mostafa1919;490364]
                            Taraki, Amin, Karmal, Najib, Mujadedi, Rabbani, Mullah Omar and last as aswell as least Karzai Saib have said the same things.
                            This is absurd. You are comparing Najib, Taraki, Amin, and Karzai to people who fought the Russians, rather then welcomed them. Najib, Amin, Taraki, and Karzai are all pro-occupation. What an absurd comparison? How illogical? You seem to be upset mate, you need to calm down.

                            They showed off with rhetorics over and over again.
                            No, only your Commie heroes did as Karzai does- talk and act. Present me evidence that indicates they fought for Afghan freedom from the Russian occupation. Present me evidence that shows Karzai fights for Afghan freedom from the US occupation.

                            So what?
                            So, what? The man, Mullah Omar Hotak clearly said he will not tolerate a US occupation of his country, anything else, like cutting of the ties with Al-Qaeda was acceptable, but occupation he would not tolerate. So what? So basically, the US is fighting to impose occupation on the Afghan people. The Al-Qaeda pretext is a farce, propagated by people like you.

                            Can a Wahhabi benamoos like Ahmadzai who first joined Rabbani and then Sayyaf be taken serious in what he says? We know how he fought alongside Massoudovsky while being one of Sayyaf´s loyal lapdogs.
                            Why don't you pick up a gun, and go and fight them? I don't want the US to occupy Afghanistan. Let the Afghans sort their own problems. Let Afghanistan go to the victors. Karzai should pick up an AK and fight for the first time in his life, but seeing as he has no guts, he should pack up and leave now, unless he wants to end up like Najib, strung up, and displayed in the streets of Kandahar for all to see.

                            You can colour your words a million times in black, red and green.
                            They won´t become more Afghan!
                            I can do whatever I want. I am emphasizing major points. Do you have a problem? You seem very disturbed
                            Last edited by Guest; 07-31-2011, 03:42 PM.

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