Jinnah and co

[Toramana]

Wow. I never knew you were 5000 years old. I never knew anyone could grow that old. But that obviously means you can't be loyal to a baby 60 year old nation.

Unlike countries and states which are artificial creations that come into existence somewhat abruptly and fade away relatively quickly, nations and ethnic groups on the other hand have basis in nature and last longer. Pashtun nation has seen the making and unmaking of so many kingdoms and empires over millennia of its existence and has outlived them all. That is why I said I am a Pashtun of five thousands years. Whether Pakistan exists or not, Pashtun (most likely) will be there---the geopolitical reality is temporal compared to the socio-biological and cultural reality on biological and civilizational time-scale.

Of course you'll understand the rest of us live and die in 60 years so its enough for us to develop love and loyalty to our land. Pakistani Pashtuns struggled and died for Pakistan which is enough for them to love their country.

If that were the case, Pakistani fascists would not be that desperate to find themselves historical legitimacy and some roots in antiquity---that is why unfounded claims over the the historical figures of other nations and groups and invention of "a brave new" history (called "Mutalia Pakistan").

Nations and states need histories to convince members/citizens of their eternal existence (no matter how much false and delusional). And this is the psychological and emotional need of the individual as well who when faced with the question, "who am I?" likes to have an answer that would give him transcendental feelings and sense of continuity (in space time). So this life span of 60 years answer is just something aimed at self-satisfaction.

I will not say a reply to the rest of what you have said. The more I interact with Pakistanis (east of Indus), the more I find them shallow and somewhat dishonest (like a drop of water). No noble person would rob other people of their heritage and history. One should be brave enough to build/acquire it one's self instead of stealing it from others. Thats it.

[khushal]

Brother to tell u the truth its wrong to blame one ethnicity in this matter . Now look since the creation of pakistan only three or four people have been punjabis who have ruled while ayub khan , ghulam ishaq khan were pakhtuns, bhutto wa sindhi , zardari was balochi sindhi, leghari was baloch punjabi, .Now army contains only 60 percent punjabi rest of it is mostly my fellow pakistani pakhtuns. If u have something against pakistan then can u explain that why do u afghans have hate amongst ur country too like against hazaras , tajiks, uzbeks. pakistan has never stopped anybody from doing anything . there are more pakhtuns living in kaachi than in kp. its just the indian elements and our governemt that is corrupt inshallah when Imran khan will come , i hope he makes the relation between these two countries much more better. take care brother

you are promoting brainwashed pakistani propaganda
ayub khan is not pashtun
pashtun population of karachi does not exceed KP
afghanistans ethnicities do not have natural ethnic hatred

[khushal]

Where are you from ?

Ok so I was wrong, there was no india before the british india, but there was a hindustan as you said
So there was no pakistan , also, so you was also wrong.
There was a hindustan ( pekhawar to bengal and kashmir to tamil nadu ) so punjab and sindh formed part of hindustan

you are not wrong. India and Hindustan is the same it is just that the English shortened it to india. but the land was always called hindustan by the locals for thousands of years til presently.
the boundary was east of the indus river.

[khushal]

oon the other hand my cousins never call themselves afghans . rather they call themselves pakhtoon

check their pakistani passport under ethnicity. it would say afghan.

[khushal]

Well i can say that lodhi was born in pakistan and his granfathaer had settled in multan . So was the case with Ahmad shah baba. So was the case with sher shah. On the other hand ur fav Ranjit singh may also have been born in pakistan . Jinnah was Born in pakistan .
well all the other leaders from ghaznawi to ghauri and to aibak mde lahore their place of centre. And i guess if they lived there they married also. Pakistan is a new born country and yes it has been invaded by a lot of turks , and persians .On the other hand i know that even though we might be having the blood of these invaders or there armies u wil not accept it as it is ur thinking . I can just say that there are alot of mughals mirza beg taimuri, chagtai , qizilbash , khiljis , shahs, gujjars who are living in this indic region are the offsprings of the locals and the invaders . Well i have already given the link of the direct descendanst of bahadr shah zafar who are much more darker like indians or bengalis but that doesnt mean that they dont have mughal bloooood. Well this is the only land and region where most of the leaders were born . thugh they were outsder i m talking abt turks mongols and persians but still they have their descendants in these indic region. On the other hand pakhtuns like lodhi suri and abdali were born here too so pakistani pakhtuns have a better claim over them as 70 percent pakhtuns are in pakistan

what BS is this? ahmed shah was not born in multan nor did he settle there. he was born in herat.

you have no history, nor do you have any culture. you need to feed hatred to your citizens about hindus so as to keep them occupied with nonsense. your country is not a moghul incarnate. the moghuls were great administrators who was one of the richest empires of its time and ruled the whole subcontinent with little difficulty. your a nation that is on welfare and cant even rule your own people. your desperate for heros and you have to turn to afghan heros for pride.

[khushal]

I know things , i have studied books not like u who listens diferent stories from different people and starts arguing . well who is the idiot over here. I speak what i read not like u who wants to take the history of kp pakhtuns and associate it with ur afghanistan. u cant even control minorities like hazara tajik and uzbek , how can u compare urself to even one part of pakistan .

your proud that the brits made you what you are today. they gave you institutions that terrorize the local people, the english language as a national language, the gregorian calandar, saturday and sunday as national holidays, the pakistani army being hired as a mercenary army to kill palistinians, afghans, boluchis, kashmiris, nationals of bahrain, iraqis, etc.
ya there are more than enough reasons to be jealous of you.

[afghanis_hehe]

lol @ this seriaki. calm down larki. I would never expect you to have honour and shame and not steal the culture of others. Honour is not in your vocabulary.

And dont worry about Hazaras. Worry about the Pashtuns going into Abassi Shaheed with a fever and coming out with a bullet

I hope the Pakistani army kicks a few more of your elders in the mouth.

Well u r the one who is crying for culture. what culture do u have . do u know . u dont have anthing not even a country so how come u have got a culture looser. well truth is that minorities are ruling u . well at the moment pakistani army is kicking ur elders isnt it along with talibs . And dont steal the history of pashtuns of pakistan. lodhis suris are sttled in pakistan and there is no lodhi suriin afghaistan so two dynasties have gone out of ur hand. wel the third one is durrani empire and well he ws born in multan so its more close to pakistaniss. so u know b proud of the history of ur country men tajiks hazara and uzbek they were better off than u guys as they fought the mongols timurs and u claim that u fought well there is not even a single info regarding u guys in the data of the historians of medival times.

[afghanis_hehe]

lol this idiot is so stupid he doesnt realize how he just killed himself

okay ill say it slow ya dumb azz

WHY WERE THOSE PASHTUNS IN MULTAN, PUNJAB ETC IN THE FIRST PLACE?

CUZ THEY CAME FROM AFGHANISTAN AND SET UP SHOP IN YOUR VILLAGE

thats why you moron

how can you then claim that as a point over Afghanistan?



some shoot this prostitute

Well dumb guy why r u crying and why r u so desperate . give me authentic link where it says he ws born in ur herat . man comon why are u guys so desperate . even u know there was a foolish kabul guy who traced bollywood khan roots and said amir khan is from herat and shahrukh father came from afghanistan. r u guys in love with herat . well shahrukh is not even pathan his cousins say that he is not pathan. his father came from kashmir. i can see the same desperation in u and that kabul guy who traced the roots through his small mind for these bollywood khans.
the places where i have read it is not clear wheteher he was born in multan or herat but there is more info regarding multan not ur fav herat. what kind of name is this herat

[afghanis_hehe]

you are promoting brainwashed pakistani propaganda
ayub khan is not pashtun
pashtun population of karachi does not exceed KP
afghanistans ethnicities do not have natural ethnic hatred

Ayub khan is tareen . if u say that ayub khan is not pashtun that why u afghans ar eso crazy to call bolly khans as afghans of bollywood and make crazy videos abt them and are so proud of them and put them on yourube.
Well ayub khan was hindko speaking but he belonged to tareen family.its the same way u r saying that niazis are not pashtun either than if ayub is not pashtun. ayub khan lives in kp while u guys are desperate for bolly khan who dont even live in pakistan.

[faye]

how can you be bothered to spend all that time writing all that rubbish? you young people seriously need to get a life.

[afghanis_hehe]

you are not wrong. India and Hindustan is the same it is just that the English shortened it to india. but the land was always called hindustan by the locals for thousands of years til presently.
the boundary was east of the indus river.

hindustan means land of of hindus and well let me tell u bro that afghanistan was full of hindus and buddist bfr islam.turks were the first ones who converted u guys to muslims.

[afghanis_hehe]

check their pakistani passport under ethnicity. it would say afghan.

Well i m punjabi from my father side and pashtun from myy mother. but there is nothing stated as punjabi on my pasport so how coem it will be afghan. u must be having afghanistan passport. pakistani passport doesnt have tehse things

[afghanis_hehe]

what BS is this? ahmed shah was not born in multan nor did he settle there. he was born in herat.

you have no history, nor do you have any culture. you need to feed hatred to your citizens about hindus so as to keep them occupied with nonsense. your country is not a moghul incarnate. the moghuls were great administrators who was one of the richest empires of its time and ruled the whole subcontinent with little difficulty. your a nation that is on welfare and cant even rule your own people. your desperate for heros and you have to turn to afghan heros for pride.

yes my country was nothing right but i know better than u . bfr iltutmish lahore was the capital of ghurids and qutb ud din aibak . After that mughals made lahore v important place after delhi and pakistn was the place punjab and frontier which were used to tackle outsiders. wel whatever u say all the three dynasties lodhi suri and durrani were much more part of pakistan . thats why sher shah craetted rohtas fort in pakistan and many more building and gt road . what did sher shah created i afghanistan. and bahlol lodhi was born in multan go check it . and ahmad sahh durrani was born in either multan or herat but its more likely multan .
Well i will tell u u afghans have no history no culture u have stolen culture of turks for being under their rule for long time . even u have stolen their language persian. on the other hand turks and persians didnt start speaking anyother afghan language. so my frend u are the one who has idenetity crisis.
u guys are taking away the simple history which belongs to kp as urs becaus eu r stil living in the imaginar world that there is no durrand line. on the other hand first of all ask ur foretfathers what kidn of treatment did our peopel and the kp peopel got when they went to afghanistan during khilafat movement.well u need to read that ti find out how much selfish u have been in ur histiory

[afghanis_hehe]

your proud that the brits made you what you are today. they gave you institutions that terrorize the local people, the english language as a national language, the gregorian calandar, saturday and sunday as national holidays, the pakistani army being hired as a mercenary army to kill palistinians, afghans, boluchis, kashmiris, nationals of bahrain, iraqis, etc.
ya there are more than enough reasons to be jealous of you.

they gave us institutions and what do u think dont u follow that sunday monday or whatever. what do u folow islamaic calendar. do u even know the name s of islamic months? yeah now blame us for the poor condition of afghanistan,palestine, iiraq,iran, bahrain, kashmir , even kenya , even srilanka tamil fighters are pakistanis ok now r u happy .

[abassinafghan]

islamic brotherhood my ass , we should support any movement inside pakistan who brings true shariat there .

close the kafir schools and british universities , ban tv and music , women not allowed to work , close all banks .

all men have to wear beards women must be inside .

the use of hindu language must be forbidden , just arabic is allowed or urdu with true and clean arabic pronounciation .

let us see how islamic they really are !!!!!!

hell , even jinnah didnt have a beard , under true shariah law he would be not considered a man , beaten up and put into jail till he had one .