Jinnah and co

[afghanis_hehe]

Ok but you can't say that ranjit singh or porus were born in Pakistan !
It is incorrect, teinu samaj ni andi yaar, yeh beelkul galat hai.
The people who were born after 1947 were born in pakistan
Before 1947 , people were born in the british india
My grandfather was born in gujranwala, ( NOT in pakistan, in the british india )
You can say that he was born in the actual territory of Pakistan

ok man ranjit singh was born in india but hari singh nalwa who was the main character was born in gujranwala. wahtever man i loose hehe

[JattApache]

ok man ranjit singh was born in india but hari singh nalwa who was the main character was born in gujranwala. wahtever man i loose hehe

No ranjit singh was born during the mughal and afghan rule, there was no india in this time
Yes nalwa was born in gujranwala, but not in pakistan, in the territory of the mughal empire

[afghanis_hehe]

Well said.

well brother these hindustani muslims are muslims. u can see muslims are killing muslims everywhere .
Saudi hates other muslims. iran hates arab muslims. afghan hate pakistani muslims . pakistan hates indian muslims, tukish hate iranians, arabs hate bengalis pakistanis afghans iranians indian muslims.
and u know why muslims are fighting its just opposite opinions. Once when in jews 72 factions were formed Allah said that be not of these people who divided amongst themselves. And prophet (PBUH) never became angry but he showed his anger once when two muslims were fighting over diferent opinions . he said people before u died due to disagreement on opinions

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Be padar orphan step child

Can you please name me one indigineous leader from the land today considered Pakistan?

I will wait

he's referring to the narrative that alleges that Ahmad Shah Sadozai was born in Multan

[IamDZJ]

Yeah, because questioning and arguing over the lifestyle of a man who died 60 years ago will definitelymake the world a better place. why can't we focus in the present and our futures instead?? Why obsesse over the dead?? WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE?!

[haviZsultan]

I am an Afghan/Pashtun for the past 3000-5000 years by culture, ethnicity, values, language, geography, etc. as all Pashtuns are irrespective of where they live. Sorry but I cannot be one with you although I may be bound to you by forced citizenship, religion, and humanity. I will rather put my lot with my own kind i.e., Afghans/Pashtuns, when it comes to preserving my identity and expressing fellial feelings.

Wow. I never knew you were 5000 years old. I never knew anyone could grow that old. But that obviously means you can't be loyal to a baby 60 year old nation. Of course you'll understand the rest of us live and die in 60 years so its enough for us to develop love and loyalty to our land. Pakistani Pashtuns struggled and died for Pakistan which is enough for them to love their country.

I knew a person who died at 48 (May Allah bless him). True story.

I am an Afghan/Pashtun for 5000 years, a Muslim for 1400 years, and unwillingly a Paki for 60 years. That is a fact I unfortunately cannot jettison easily.

You (as well some others on the other hand) on the other hand are Indians in every sense of the word speaking an Indo-Aryan language and having indigenous Indian ethnicity yet are not ready to accept that and rather are desperately trying to put on another facade.

I think there need to be celebrations worldwide concerning your vitality.

Of course its needless to say I don't believe the fact our people have been Pashtuns for 5000 years ensures that they can't be patriotic towards Pakistan. You can believe in whatever ridiculous ideas you want. Just don't try to teach us.

You are a non-Pashtun someone of Indic origin. It will be more dignified of you if you accept that fact.

Lets apply your strategy on you. You are a Somalian. You are a son of Sheikh Moktar Ali Zubeyr. No matter what you do you are a Somalian.

The plain fact is, we Pashtuns/Afghans ruled you. Remember, Punjab including Kashmir was a part of Afghan Empire Ahmad Shah Baba established (until you make the claim that Ahmad Shah Baba was a Punjabi/Siraiki because he was born in Multan)---before that the mighty Suris, Lhudis, and Khiljis/Ghlijis were your rulers.

No one is denying Pashtuns ruled. Do you even understand what I am arguing? Did I argue that the Punjabis ruled over us. Come out of this fear of Punjabis. Please. You are such a champion/warrior of the Pashtun race. We don't want you running off the moment you see a Punjabi. While we will bravely be fighting off the "Indics" (Indians) as you call them in case they attack Pashtuns you will be galloping back to Canada faster than a horse.

Talking to you and Damalakandghar is almost the same thing. You have to be the only Pashtun around. Its like I'm talking to a child. You come back to the same ridiculous claims again. Na, bachey, na.

Serious-the only point I have been making. Listen closely. No joking here.

Pakistan is not an ethnic identity nor is it a country based on ONE ethnic group. It is a country created out of a number of ethnic groups. Those who claim Pakistan is without history don't understand that Pakistan's history is not of "Pakistan" in the traditional sense. Instead it is of all the ethnic groups within the country, the same as is the case with India.

This truly gives us a diverse history and diverse traditions much wider than the history Afghans can ever have.

Many Pakistani Nationalists do not take pride in these diverse traditions believing they come in the way of Nationalism which is a mistake. A proud Pashtun can always be a proud Pakistani as can any other ethnic group and their culture and traditions are something for nationalists to take pride in-not try to impede.

What I have been arguing is that the majority of Pashtuns are in Pakistan. If the history of Pakistan's ethnic groups is our history then Pashtun history (lets not forget 30 Million or 70% of Pashtuns are in Pakistan) is ALSO Pakistan's history. You might hate this but it is entirely true. Ahmed Shah Baba, Sher Shah Suri and Bilal Lodhi are all Pashtuns born in what is now Pakistan. So they belong to Pakistan's historical heritage and to the historical heritage of Pashtuns-Pakistani Pashtuns.

However as you prove ethnic Nationalists or racists believe that Pakistan is trying to steal their history and pass it as their own. However Pakistani Pashtuns believe their history is intermeshed with Pakistani history. Whatever is their history is Pakistan's too.

Last, stop this drama----don't behave and argue like a clown.

You should chill out a little or your grand kids will call you a grouch or your grand grand grand grand kids since you are 5000 years old.

[afghanis_hehe]

Wow. I never knew you were 5000 years old. I never knew anyone could grow that old. But that obviously means you can't be loyal to a baby 60 year old nation. Of course you'll understand the rest of us live and die in 60 years so its enough for us to develop love and loyalty to our land. Pakistani Pashtuns struggled and died for Pakistan which is enough for them to love their country.

I knew a person who died at 48 (May Allah bless him). True story.




I think there need to be celebrations worldwide concerning your vitality.

Of course its needless to say I don't believe the fact our people have been Pashtuns for 5000 years ensures that they can't be patriotic towards Pakistan. You can believe in whatever ridiculous ideas you want. Just don't try to teach us.



Lets apply your strategy on you. You are a Somalian. You are a son of Sheikh Moktar Ali Zubeyr. No matter what you do you are a Somalian.



No one is denying Pashtuns ruled. Do you even understand what I am arguing? Did I argue that the Punjabis ruled over us. Come out of this fear of Punjabis. Please. You are such a champion/warrior of the Pashtun race. We don't want you running off the moment you see a Punjabi. While we will bravely be fighting off the "Indics" (Indians) as you call them in case they attack Pashtuns you will be galloping back to Canada faster than a horse.

Talking to you and Damalakandghar is almost the same thing. You have to be the only Pashtun around. Its like I'm talking to a child. You come back to the same ridiculous claims again. Na, bachey, na.

Serious-the only point I have been making. Listen closely. No joking here.

Pakistan is not an ethnic identity nor is it a country based on ONE ethnic group. It is a country created out of a number of ethnic groups. Those who claim Pakistan is without history don't understand that Pakistan's history is not of "Pakistan" in the traditional sense. Instead it is of all the ethnic groups within the country, the same as is the case with India.

This truly gives us a diverse history and diverse traditions much wider than the history Afghans can ever have.

Many Pakistani Nationalists do not take pride in these diverse traditions believing they come in the way of Nationalism which is a mistake. A proud Pashtun can always be a proud Pakistani as can any other ethnic group and their culture and traditions are something for nationalists to take pride in-not try to impede.

What I have been arguing is that the majority of Pashtuns are in Pakistan. If the history of Pakistan's ethnic groups is our history then Pashtun history (lets not forget 30 Million or 70% of Pashtuns are in Pakistan) is ALSO Pakistan's history. You might hate this but it is entirely true. Ahmed Shah Baba, Sher Shah Suri and Bilal Lodhi are all Pashtuns born in what is now Pakistan. So they belong to Pakistan's historical heritage and to the historical heritage of Pashtuns-Pakistani Pashtuns.

However as you prove ethnic Nationalists or racists believe that Pakistan is trying to steal their history and pass it as their own. However Pakistani Pashtuns believe their history is intermeshed with Pakistani history. Whatever is their history is Pakistan's too.



You should chill out a little or your grand kids will call you a grouch or your grand grand grand grand kids since you are 5000 years old.

Brother first of all for a pashtun it is ncessary to be a muslim which tornamo is not . he is athiest so he doesnt follow the pashtunwali which means he isnt even pashtun .
On the othert whatever history pashtuns have belongs to suris , lodhis, and durranis ..not only they werre born here , there chiildren and their descendants are also here in pakistan .There are alot of lodhis and suris in punjab region frontier and sindh . there is not even a single suri in afghanistan . same goes with lodhis . and durranis i guarantee , most durranis are in pakistan . how come he claims that history all that history belongs to the letter A in pakistan which means afghania or pashtuns of pakistan. what ever he says just ignore him coz he isnt even a muslim. he is a athiest so he is not a pashtun either.

[KGODB]

oon the other hand my cousins never call themselves afghans . rather they call themselves pakhtoon

because your cousins dont know shiit

[randolph85]

Well brother one question from u as m mother never told me . Who says afghan= pashtun . Khushal khan khattak ? was there any afghanistan around 2 centuries ago nope so did pashtuns come here about two centuries ago nope. on the other before 2 centuries khorasan was the name. So there was no concept of pashtuns=afghans

the name "afghanistan" has been around hundreds of years before the creation of the actual political state. it has been used to reference pashtun lands south of kabul.

[KGODB]

Well i can say that lodhi was born in pakistan and his granfathaer had settled in multan . So was the case with Ahmad shah baba. So was the case with sher shah. On the other hand ur fav Ranjit singh may also have been born in pakistan . Jinnah was Born in pakistan .
well all the other leaders from ghaznawi to ghauri and to aibak mde lahore their place of centre. And i guess if they lived there they married also. Pakistan is a new born country and yes it has been invaded by a lot of turks , and persians .On the other hand i know that even though we might be having the blood of these invaders or there armies u wil not accept it as it is ur thinking . I can just say that there are alot of mughals mirza beg taimuri, chagtai , qizilbash , khiljis , shahs, gujjars who are living in this indic region are the offsprings of the locals and the invaders . Well i have already given the link of the direct descendanst of bahadr shah zafar who are much more darker like indians or bengalis but that doesnt mean that they dont have mughal bloooood. Well this is the only land and region where most of the leaders were born . thugh they were outsder i m talking abt turks mongols and persians but still they have their descendants in these indic region. On the other hand pakhtuns like lodhi suri and abdali were born here too so pakistani pakhtuns have a better claim over them as 70 percent pakhtuns are in pakistan

ya but ya stupid idiot, LODHI didnt originate from Pakistan. Or the land considered Pakistan.

Abdali was a Sadozai. Are Sadozais from Multan?

Your lack of honour offends this Afghan, but does not surprise

[KGODB]

lol @ this idiot troll showing up here with no basic knowledge

whats the matter bai jan, pkdefence doesnt keep its members informed?

[afghanis_hehe]

ya but ya stupid idiot, LODHI didnt originate from Pakistan. Or the land considered Pakistan.

Abdali was a Sadozai. Are Sadozais from Multan?

Your lack of honour offends this Afghan, but does not surprise

Well when a person feels defeated he sometimes looses his mind and thats the situation u r in my poor afghani brother. lodhis didnt originate in pakistan i dont know but the one who made lodhis history shine sure did born in pakistan multan . may be he doesnt belong there maybe he belonged to kp but thats also part of pakistan, unless u have made an imaginary pakhtunistan which i know that most of the kp pakhtuns dont like .
U m afghan frend are worrid and lost thats why u r using such language . i can use that language but i know my limits . abdali sure was born in multan so what most of durranis are pakistanis. i know u will not agree . u wil aslo not agree that most of the niazi population is in mianwali. on the other hand suris and lodhis are not even present in afghanistan . most of the lodhis and suris have lost their language and have satrted using punjabi, seraiki, sindhi. ok i can tell u thousands of lodhis and suris from punjab region and sindh and even in india. can u tell me some from afghanistan region well i know that u will make that up too as u have made up an imaginary pakhtunistan.
Lodhis suris are those rulers who are associated with pakistan region. abdali created afghanistan and u shud thank kp pakhtuns as he was one of them and nadir shah that he considered ahmad shah a capable general. on the other hand i have got a a frend who is sardar ahsan ilyas sadozai and he doesnt speak pashto but he speaks punjabi . well his familly was settled in muzaffarabad since long time

[afghanis_hehe]

lol @ this idiot troll showing up here with no basic knowledge

whats the matter bai jan, pkdefence doesnt keep its members informed?

I know things , i have studied books not like u who listens diferent stories from different people and starts arguing . well who is the idiot over here. I speak what i read not like u who wants to take the history of kp pakhtuns and associate it with ur afghanistan. u cant even control minorities like hazara tajik and uzbek , how can u compare urself to even one part of pakistan .

[KGODB]

I know things , i have studied books not like u who listens diferent stories from different people and starts arguing . well who is the idiot over here. I speak what i read not like u who wants to take the history of kp pakhtuns and associate it with ur afghanistan. u cant even control minorities like hazara tajik and uzbek , how can u compare urself to even one part of pakistan .

lol @ this seriaki. calm down larki. I would never expect you to have honour and shame and not steal the culture of others. Honour is not in your vocabulary.

And dont worry about Hazaras. Worry about the Pashtuns going into Abassi Shaheed with a fever and coming out with a bullet

I hope the Pakistani army kicks a few more of your elders in the mouth.

[KGODB]

Well when a person feels defeated he sometimes looses his mind and thats the situation u r in my poor afghani brother. lodhis didnt originate in pakistan i dont know but the one who made lodhis history shine sure did born in pakistan multan . may be he doesnt belong there maybe he belonged to kp but thats also part of pakistan, unless u have made an imaginary pakhtunistan which i know that most of the kp pakhtuns dont like .
U m afghan frend are worrid and lost thats why u r using such language . i can use that language but i know my limits . abdali sure was born in multan so what most of durranis are pakistanis. i know u will not agree . u wil aslo not agree that most of the niazi population is in mianwali. on the other hand suris and lodhis are not even present in afghanistan . most of the lodhis and suris have lost their language and have satrted using punjabi, seraiki, sindhi. ok i can tell u thousands of lodhis and suris from punjab region and sindh and even in india. can u tell me some from afghanistan region well i know that u will make that up too as u have made up an imaginary pakhtunistan.
Lodhis suris are those rulers who are associated with pakistan region. abdali created afghanistan and u shud thank kp pakhtuns as he was one of them and nadir shah that he considered ahmad shah a capable general. on the other hand i have got a a frend who is sardar ahsan ilyas sadozai and he doesnt speak pashto but he speaks punjabi . well his familly was settled in muzaffarabad since long time

lol this idiot is so stupid he doesnt realize how he just killed himself

okay ill say it slow ya dumb azz

WHY WERE THOSE PASHTUNS IN MULTAN, PUNJAB ETC IN THE FIRST PLACE?

CUZ THEY CAME FROM AFGHANISTAN AND SET UP SHOP IN YOUR VILLAGE

thats why you moron

how can you then claim that as a point over Afghanistan?



some shoot this prostitute