the pathan and the pakhtun

[Michin Khel]

I am done with this whole pashtuniyat. I regret wasting my time on defending afghans and afghanistan on pakistani forums. Believe me pakistanis have never hatred for afghanistan. Because of forums like PF, pakistanis have started having stern opinion about afghanistan.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I am done with this whole pashtuniyat. I regret wasting my time on defending afghans and afghanistan on pakistani forums. Believe me pakistanis have never hatred for afghanistan. Because of forums like PF, pakistanis have started having stern opinion about afghanistan.

Don't run away now...you leveled a lot of accusations, now prove them. You can't just hit and run when it fits your liking.

[Master Khan]

I am done with this whole pashtuniyat. I regret wasting my time on defending afghans and afghanistan on pakistani forums. Believe me pakistanis have never hatred for afghanistan. Because of forums like PF, pakistanis have started having stern opinion about afghanistan.

Pakistan never hated Afghans lol, please.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Jwande hosa malgariya.

Basically read what I wrote to Nokia and then you'll get the picture.

And you are not right, if you say that other staff have not protected Members here vis-a-vis Pakistan. At least I have, but no, I cannot supress every debate on Pakistan, and yes, Pakistan is not seen positively across the world. Those are the facts.

I have lived in and travelled a fair bit and the truth Shehbaz is that the world has a very poor opinion of Pakistan. What do you want me to do? Tape everyone's mouth?

Lala, I know it, it's with people like you present here, I certainly won't forget Admin Khan Lala that I am here on the forum and enjoying every bit of it Atleast when I am done enough in the politics, I can switch to the entertainment and literature

No, I certainly don't want you to tape everyone's mouth, let them speak but as long as this forum is concerned, I once read the rules, according to those rules even calling someone Paki is not allowed and here you see what people call us So that's entirely a different picture

Even Afghanistan is not considered that much good throughout the world but we didn't start speaking ill of Afghanistan.. Most of the people will call that a terrorist country did we call it with that name ? NO ! We understand you, you must understand us.

That's why at the end of every such argument about Afghanistan and Pakistan (My posts are on record you can check) I say that both Afghanistan and Paksitan are vital for the stability of the region and both countries need to look within themselves and straghten up their lines

That's it

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P.S: If according to you the word Pathan is a label given by someone else and is not considered right among the Pakthun massess than no body here must have the right to call any pro-Pakistani Pakhtun with that name (Look at the topic)

Regards .. Khaad aao abaad wosi

[MostafaM]

1) Unable to grab this point will you please elaborate?

2) So?

3) Yes, I do.. So which percentage troubled you? Are you unaware of the fact that the slogan of ANP 'Lar Aw Bar Yao Afghan' was rejected over the past 60 years by the Pakhtuns of Pakhtunkhwa? Do you need a percentage for it?

4) So than go back and wait for the time to come, as Afghanistan currently is in no condition to demand it's land back from Pakistan. So develop yourself in each and every field and let the people decide they want to come back to you!!

Regards

To point 1:
If you have a contract with someone and that person dies, will your contract be worth anything? I do not think so.

To point 2:
Pakistan as a successor state is bond to the agreement with Afghanistan in considering the Pashtun inhabitated areas as "free areas" or atleast a new agreement on the status of those areas. After the creation of Pakistan, those areas were integrated unlawfully into the state of Pakistan. The people there weren´t asked.

To point 3:
Well, if their slogan was rejected, how does it come that they won the last elections, renamed the province to Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa?
I am interested in your sources that only 10% of all Pashtuns in KPK are interested in uniting, while you admit that ANP´s slogan is "Law aw Bar yaw Afghan" and forget at the same that the won a majority and rule that province.
To my knowledge an alliance has to win atleast 50% plus 1 vote to be able to reign.

To point 4:
Yes, we will and if you haven´t noticed so far, Pakistan´s disintegration is due to the fact that Afghanistan is consolidating itself.
Let´s have this debate in 10 years.

[Shehbaz Khan]

Ok ANP don't care because they are getting money, ANP are pathetic and has done nothing for Pashtuns.
and as for KPK pashtuns lol, well they grow up thinking Pakistan are muslims, Pak Watan, Dil Dil Pakistan, Pak Army and all that Bullsh*t is stuck in thier mind then yeah they will fell for this Punjabi nation.
Pakistan have suceeded brainwashing them with lies after lies saying crap like "Ham sab ah hai" "Ham Sab Pakistani hai" etc etc lol.

Than you must stop caring about those millions of people who you think are brainwashed Or should start some compagin to let them know what you want and see whether they accept it or not.

Or you don't even care about the emotions/feelings of those people and just want that land back to be under the control of Afghanistan?

[Michin Khel]

Don't run away now...you leveled a lot of accusations, now prove them. You can't just hit and run when it fits your liking.

I am done with pashtunism not with PF. So dont worry i am not running away. You have clarified so many times that you speak for yourself, i agree. But afghanis here refer your name or khyal or pir rokhan when they talk of all pashtuns of pakhtunkhwa. You never corrected them that you dont represent pashtuns of kp. Infact whenever i have said to them that people like bls dont represent pakhtunkhwa, you have always jumped to say other wise.

[graveyardofempires]

Pakhairoona wrora, thaso tsenga yae?
I am talking about the initial referendum in 1947 that was the game changer. If we are going to be fair we need to look at that. Now to have another referendum, you need certain changes, more political freedom, more media, etc. Otherwise there are no guarantees of a fair referendum. Especially considering the policy for the past 60 years. To be honest the way things are going I doubt there will be a need for it, considering that Pakistan is digging its own grave. Allah u aalim.

in that referendum they had jailed all the leaders of pukhtane when they asked ho wdo we do the referendum,they appointed these pro british/paki puppets.ive heard this from the ANP representative at this jirga i was attending.They fooled pukhtane,the british and jinah types reduced Power of Pukhtane on their own lands.before Party of pukthane had 48 of 50 seats in the parliament and the 2 seats were for muslim league and after the game jinah and british played the muslim league became 48 seats and party of pukthane 2 seats.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

I have clarified it many times that I speak for myself. I jump in because there are others who think like me or khyaal. However I will step in to defend my own views. Just like Shehbaz does for his and so on so forth. That is the point of discussion.

P.S. when were you for anything? Leave pashtunism to the side, but I don't remember you having a single stand on an issue. Unless that issue is being a troll, in which case you are the Commander in Chief.

[graveyardofempires]

Za Kha yam, You are referring to the initial refrundum so you now think that it was not free and fair? And that the voice of the people of this area was not heard? If you think so, than now its a very old bad news to cry on, let's move further

Today Alhamdulillah the media of Pakistan is true and free in many ways.

Pakistan digging its own grave, let's leave it to time, Pakistan certainly escaped before from much worst situations. I personally don't want Pakistan to collapse.. I want it to be a shining state on the face of the earth with more honest people as it's leaders/rulers.

Regards

was that a joke?

[Shehbaz Khan]

To point 1:
If you have a contract with someone and that person dies, will your contract be worth anything? I do not think so.

No.. So than why are you thinking about the contract when the other party had already died?

To point 2:
Pakistan as a successor state is bond to the agreement with Afghanistan in considering the Pashtun inhabitated areas as "free areas" or atleast a new agreement on the status of those areas. After the creation of Pakistan, those areas were integrated unlawfully into the state of Pakistan. The people there weren´t asked.

Successor state is bond to the agreement, NO! Pakistan is an entirely new state. It has nothing to do with the policies, agreements of the British India?

[QUOTE=Mostafa1919;480208] To point 3:
Well, if their slogan was rejected, how does it come that they won the last elections, renamed the province to Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa?
I am interested in your sources that only 10% of all Pashtuns in KPK are interested in uniting, while you admit that ANP´s slogan is "Law aw Bar yaw Afghan" and forget at the same that the won a majority and rule that province.
To my knowledge an alliance has to win atleast 50% plus 1 vote to be able to reign. [/QUOTE
Haha, this is your knowledge of KPK Do you know what they said before the past elections? That the Afghan Mohajireens need to go back (I don't agree with them) and yes, they still want them to go back, where is Lar Aw Bar Yao Afghan thing?
Re-Named the province to KPK, this is the only thing they have done in the 3 years and you have no idea that the common was least least not even least bothered about this name?
Yes you are extremely right, the reason why ANP won the past elections was because of two things,
1) the religious parties by-cotted the elections
2) they told the people that they will stop the flow of Pakthun blood and unfortunately they sold that blood.

To point 4:
Yes, we will and if you haven´t noticed so far, Pakistan´s disintegration is due to the fact that Afghanistan is consolidating itself.
Let´s have this debate in 10 years.

Let's see.. I wish to see you after 10 years ..

[Master Khan]

Than you must stop caring about those millions of people who you think are brainwashed Or should start some compagin to let them know what you want and see whether they accept it or not.

Or you don't even care about the emotions/feelings of those people and just want that land back to be under the control of Afghanistan?

Inshallah Campagin will start and people will wake up, if only they teach our history in school then people wouldn't be this stupid.
I rather be under control by pashtuns then punjabies, atleast I will be called "Pashtuns" and be respected and not be called "PATHAN" or be joked about by punjabies with thier Pathan jokes.
Face it wrora, our people are not being respected here, they don't teach you pashtun history, Langange. and they laugh at you calling you things like Pathan, Gay etc etc.

once this war is over then Hopely they look into this Durad Line agreement and make things right, we are divided and because of it we are suffering.

[Shehbaz Khan]

was that a joke?

Why you think that is a JOKE?

Haven't you just visited that post of Lewanay Zalmay extracted from Daily Dawn explaining the target killing of the Pakhtuns? And you think that the media is not free and fair?

[Shehbaz Khan]

Inshallah Campagin will start and people will wake up, if only they teach our history in school then people wouldn't be this stupid.
I rather be under control by pashtuns then punjabies, atleast I will be called "Pashtuns" and be respected and not be called "PATHAN" or be joked about by punjabies with thier Pathan jokes.
Face it wrora, our people are not being respected here, they don't teach you pashtun history, Langange. and they laugh at you calling you things like Pathan, Gay etc etc.

once this war is over then Hopely they look into this Durad Line agreement and make things right, we are divided and because of it we are suffering.

Janana Best of luck for that, I will wait for it to start

Yes, not respected that's why I see Saleem Saafi on the largest news channel now you call him Pathan?


Hopely, force them to look into those things

One thing more the country you are living in, having the nationality of has straightly harmed your mother land Afghanistan, so when are you quitting that nationality and coming back to Afghanistan?

[MostafaM]

No.. So than why are you thinking about the contract when the other party had already died?

Because Pakistan as a successor state is bond to it or has to get into negotiations about the border. The "free areas" cannot be annexed unlawfully.

NO! Pakistan is an entirely new state. It has nothing to do with the policies, agreements of the British India?

You are not familiar with international law.
The British crown gave up it´s colonies on the indian subcontinent, accepted your freedom and that change of power was agreed on many contracts and agreements. Keep in mind that British officers were heading Pakistan´s army for a reason for several years after it was created.
Pakistan is a successor state if you like it or not.

Haha, this is your knowledge of KPK Do you know what they said before the past elections? That the Afghan Mohajireens need to go back (I don't agree with them) and yes, they still want them to go back, where is Lar Aw Bar Yao Afghan thing?
Re-Named the province to KPK, this is the only thing they have done in the 3 years and you have no idea that the common was least least not even least bothered about this name?
Yes you are extremely right, the reason why ANP won the past elections was because of two things,
1) the religious parties by-cotted the elections
2) they told the people that they will stop the flow of Pakthun blood and unfortunately they sold that blood.

The ANP people seem to be smart.
They wanna achieve their goals one by one.
Lar aw Bar yaw Afghan.....atleast they know that Afghan and Pakhtun are synonyms.

Let's see.. I wish to see you after 10 years ..