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  • #16
    [QUOTE=Shayesta;469739]Then what are they waiting for? Highest bid in money? Or better paid jobs?


    People in West aren't here out love for West, they are here because the situation in Afghanistan wasn't safe enough and nor is it now stable enough for them to leave to Afghanistan permanently.
    The ones who come back on the backs of a foreign army are no friends to Afghanistan- plain and simple. The ones who promote war on "their own" people are no friends to Afghanistan. Supporting war against Afghanistan is not an act of friendship at all. Please address that point. The foreigners have had a tough time finding a lackey, and they will continue to fail because no Afghan will support the continuation of war. The foreigners have tried very hard to sow ethnic division.

    Fortunately, this has not worked, considerably. Please read.



    "The US has been gunning for Fahim for some time on the estimation that as long as the strongman from Panjshir continues to back Karzai the attempts to unseat the Afghan president, or to arrest his growing defiance of American diktat, will not work.

    Besides, Washington has been propping up two other "Panjshiris" - Abdullah Abdullah, former foreign minister, and Amrullah Saleh, former intelligence chief, both of whom Karzai sacked - but Fahim calls the shots ultimately as he inherited the Tajik militia that used to be led by Ahmad Shah Massoud. "




    West moreover provides way more opportunities to futures of its citizens and Afghan citizens in West can take full advantage of it and invest their earnings earned in West into poor people of Afghanistan.
    If an Afghan from the West helps Afghan people, then what is wrong? What is your point? You are distracting from the original point I made about Ashraf Ghani, and others like him
    Those Northern Alliance members were mainly born and bred in Afghanistan who are into politics of Afghanistan, what good have they as Afghan citizens done to Afghanistan? Nothing but looting, rapes and destructions. At least those sincerely wishing to help Afghanistan from West haven't got their hands guilty of innocent blood, or you could perhaps prove otherwise?
    That is irrelevant. The secular Afghans of the west surely have a lot of blood on their hands. I am talking about Afghans who have supported the war against Afghanistan. Some like Khalid Hosseini for example have supported war on Afghan people, and are responsible.


    Even the Taliban is considered foreign puppet and supporters of aggression by many Afghans.
    They actually have a lot of support. This is told time and time again by people such as Matt Hoh, Dr. Schuer, and numerous reports done by US organizations. Read below from the linked article. Opposition to the foreign presence is widespread throughout Afghanistan.

    "Ignoring the effects of years of invasion and civilian killings, the report levelled all criticism at US-installed Karzai."

    US report shows Taliban support in Afghanistan, blames Karzai | America-Canada | World Bulletin

    In regards to the above, it is noted that the US presence is the main cause. It has nothing to do with Karzai. This is noted by the author in the article.
    Our country politically seen is in a big mess but there is no guarantee of when the war will finish, at least people can try to build something with the money they get flowed into the country.
    No money is flowing into the country. Majority of it has been funneled out by American companies. This has been shown by the findings of a recent investigation. The foreigners have siphoned international aid money out of Afghanistan. Why? They cheat their own taxpayers, and they are simply taking money from loans, and pocketing. Afghanistan has received little to nothing.

    Billions of dollars in fraud and waste in U.S. Afghan aid

    I had seen a documentary a very long time ago about two Afghan women, one a Kandahari and the other Kabuli, both of them American citizens. One of them was building homes for the homeless in Kabul, mainly widows. And the other was fetching Kandahari orphans in an orphanage they built in Kandahar. They didn't throw their passports away to show their patriotism, but while the dirty politics continued they resumed their work of helping the poor and needful ones, and no one else than an Afghan educated and earning in West can do that for Afghanistan.
    They are good. What is your point? Are you comparing Ashraf Ghani to these good Muslimas? Ashraf Ghani supports war against Afghan people. Common sense tells us that any Afghan who supports war against the Afghan people with airstrikes and night raids is not a friend of the Afghan nation. Do you think otherwise?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      The ones who come back on the backs of a foreign army are no friends to Afghanistan- plain and simple. The ones who promote war on "their own" people are no friends to Afghanistan.
      Pretty much every Afghan that goes back to 'rebuild' Afghanistan is going through Western organisations, but that doesn't mean they are going with the thought of supporting the ongoing war. After years of war there is finally an opportunity to do something for Afghanistan, just because the war is endless and the foreign presence isn't disappearing doesn't mean one should sit idle and wait until it all sorts out by itself. Because it doesn't work that way.

      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      If an Afghan from the West helps Afghan people, then what is wrong? What is your point?
      My point is that just like Ghani, even those Afghans from West who help the country wouldn't hand over their Western nationality. But that doesn't mean they become traitors, along with their country's interest they are also taking into consideration their own future interest. Nothing wrong with that, really.

      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      That is irrelevant. The secular Afghans of the west surely have a lot of blood on their hands. I am talking about Afghans who have supported the war against Afghanistan.
      How is that irrelevant? Aren't the Northern Alliance supporting war on Taliban which goes at the cost of Afghan lives? Aren't the Taliban supporting war on NA/NATO which goes at cost of Afghan lives? These two parties aren't weakening each other; They are only taking our civilians' lives. Those 'secular Afghans' (whoever they are) might have supported wars, but those in have Afghanistan have in fact participated in them.

      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      They actually have a lot of support.
      Afghanistan isn't just limited to Southern Afghanistan. Go and ask the Northerners whether they prefer the current government or the Taliban regime? The recent increased tensions in Kabul regarding Taliban should actually tell you enough, and if not then the increased tensions amongst Hazaras should.

      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      No money is flowing into the country. Majority of it has been funneled out by American companies.
      Go and witness those number of mansions owned per political-tie in Kabul only, forget about those in Nangarhar, Mazar and Herat. Witness those thousands of 'engineers' who have bagged hundreds of thousands of Dollars in name of 'constructions', and guess where the money ends up landing? Not to forget the ridiculous amount of money they got for construction of Kabul Airport, which in real isn't even worth a hundred Dollars. And by the way, take a closer look at your own provided source.

      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      They are good. What is your point? Are you comparing Ashraf Ghani to these good Muslimas?
      My point is that like Ghani even these Muslimahs also came to help Afghanistan through American support, and requested Afghans in West to join American organisations in rebuilding Afghanistan. They are also afraid of Taliban and spoke against the Taliban, but does that discredit the support they have provided the homeless, orphaned and widows?

      Originally posted by AshrafGhaljay View Post
      Ashraf Ghani supports war against Afghan people. Common sense tells us that any Afghan who supports war against the Afghan people with airstrikes and night raids is not a friend of the Afghan nation.
      How do you know he is supporting war against Afghanistan? What war are you talking about by the way?; Those against the Taliban, or those against the civilians? Because people I see suffering are the civilians, thanks to both the foreigners and our own Afghan 'elements'.
      Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
        Then what are they waiting for? Highest bid in money? Or better paid jobs?
        Not everybody is like you. Many left to join their brothers back home. Some are working to earn money to support large families with dozens of widows and children without fathers.
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        • #19
          ^ If I was up for money, then I would have admitted to jobs in Kabul a very long time ago since Afghans from West earn more than double the amount of Afghan nationals. Nonetheless, be honest here; Those who left to join their brothers back home, who gives them the type of jobs which make them earn enough to support those hundreds back home? The Taliban? The fact they choose this period as compared to previous regimes to go back to Afghanistan is a flashing light you seemed to miss completely.
          Gar Jahanum Sakhtam Ferdaws Ham Mesazamat

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
            ^ If I was up for money, then I would have admitted to jobs in Kabul a very long time ago since Afghans from West earn more than double the amount of Afghan nationals. Nonetheless, be honest here; Those who left to join their brothers back home, who gives them the type of jobs which make them earn enough to support those hundreds back home? The Taliban? The fact they choose this period as compared to previous regimes to go back to Afghanistan is a flashing light you seemed to miss completely.
            you have a thoroughly corrupted mind and you always manage to interpret everything in the most negative sense. I wonder what kind of a mother you will be for your children when you talk like this
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            • #21
              ^ So you got no answer to support your own statement? Thanks, we are done here.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Shayesta View Post
                ^ So you got no answer to support your own statement? Thanks, we are done here.
                Yes, people who joined our brothers did not go there to earn money. And those who stayed behind are still working here to earn money to provide for widows and fatherless children.

                And Taliban do not give wages for people so they can support their families. They depend on donations from rich Muslims from around the world.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                  Ashraf Ghani talks asif he is gay
                  For a Talib guy you sure know a lot about shirtlifter ...but then getting corn holed in Madrassah by mullahs are common.


                  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4084951.stm
                  ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                  نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                  چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                  نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                  سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                  بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                  چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                  يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                  سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                  په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                  ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                  اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                  • #24
                    Azmal, you probably got cornholed. Thats why you behave like this.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                      Yes, people who joined our brothers did not go there to earn money. And those who stayed behind are still working here to earn money to provide for widows and fatherless children.

                      And Taliban do not give wages for people so they can support their families. They depend on donations from rich Muslims from around the world.
                      "Rich Muslims"---Paki state and golf Arabs Sikhdoom. There is nothing religious about the Islamic extremist/Taleban, its the political agenda behind that facade which needs to be addressed and neutralized if there has to be a long lasting solution to the problem…ex Tablighi Jahmat, Jamyat Islami, and all these Paki “Islamist” with HQ in Lahore---few miles from oldest brothel in region—Hari Mandi…would come to Afghanistan to preach Islam. The moment that political agenda is addressed, the Taleban phenomena will recede.
                      ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                      نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                      چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                      نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                      سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                      بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                      چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                      يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                      سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                      په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                      ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                      اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                        [FONT=Courier New]few miles from oldest brothel in region—Hari Mandi
                        You seem to know it very well.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                          Azmal, you probably got cornholed. Thats why you behave like this.
                          You are being defensive and show an intolerance towards others…these a common symptoms in Adult survivors of Childhood sexual abuse. I don’t mean to hurt you, and those were imposed on you and its was not your fault..you lack the emotional, maturational, and cognitive development to understand or to consent to such acts.

                          was is this mullah ?

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                          ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                          نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                          چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                          نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                          سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                          بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                          چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                          يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                          سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                          په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                          ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                          اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                            You are being defensive and show an intolerance towards others…these a common symptoms in Adult survivors of Childhood sexual abuse. I don’t mean to hurt you, and those were imposed on you and its was not your fault..you lack the emotional, maturational, and cognitive development to understand or to consent to such acts.

                            was is this mullah ?

                            YouTube - ‪Duniya Bari Kharab Hai...Mullah Dancing‬‏

                            Freudian pseudo science. LOL

                            I don't know who he is. Maybe you can tell me. Was he the Mullah who cornholed you? Or is he the Mullah from Rawind who took you to Hira mandi?
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by شمله ور خراساني View Post
                              You seem to know it very well.
                              How can i not know the place people like you were conceived?
                              ای وخته بېرته راشه يو افغان وزېږوه
                              نو بيا يو احمد خان يا ميروس خان وزېږوه

                              چې ننګ په وطن وکړئ داسي ځوان وزېږوه
                              نويا خو خوشحال خان يا بادشا خان وزېږوه

                              سپن اوشن بيرغ د ازادۍ کړي زمونږ پورته
                              بيا داسې يو بادشا لکه امان وزيږوه

                              چې جوړه کړي انګريز ته بيا غزا د ارنوۍ
                              يو داسې لوی غازي ميرزمان خان وزيږوه

                              سرو مال قربان کړي له وطن او له ناموسه
                              په مينه د وطن کي افغانان وزيږوه

                              ټپې د ازادۍ کړه بورا ته په خيالونو
                              اوس راشه په شعرنو کي طوفان وزيږو

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Azmal View Post
                                How can i not know the place people like you were conceived?
                                I've never been there. You seem to know all about it. I assume you spent quite some time there with sodomist Mullahs in Lahori brothels.
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