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Provide me your evidence. Qatar has been heavily involved in helping Afghan refugees. The few American organization that are helping are neutral, and not tied to the American military, but this again remains doubtful. It has been recently found that even these so-called helpers are siphoning money through NGOs. Unlike you, I provide evidence.
http://outlookafghanistan.net/topics.php?post_id=932
Again show me your evidence. The only Afghans I see going "to help" Afghans are the translators who assist in night raids. Thats not help, WHAT it IS is supporting the war against the Afghan people
They will leave like the Soviets before them. Constant requests for talks should be a strong indicator to you, and Kabul "governments' anti-West stances should give you a perspective of where this is heading.
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Show me your evidence. You are detracting from my original post again, and you just throw words around.
The common perception on the ground in Afghanistan is that the USNATO presence is the primary reason Afghans fight. The view is that their presence is solely responsible for the civilians deaths outside of night raids and airstrikes.
Again, the USNATO presence which has killed thousands of Afghans in night raids and airstrikes is solely responsible for even these other Afghan deaths. According to a recent New York Times article, this is how Afghans see it. You seem to blame Afghans for everything.
There is also Eastern Afghanistan you forgot to mention.
First of all, Sharia rule is required for all Muslims. To deny this would be to deny Islam. However, to address your point, the opposition to foreign presence has spread to the North, and to say it is solely Pashtun is ridiculous (thinking what you are going to say).Taliban's reach spreading north | The Journal Gazette | Fort Wayne, IN I can provide more articles if you would like.
Again, Afghanistan will always be under Sharia rule. You bring up a irrelevant point.
Oh I have. I can show you more sources. You on the other hand have provided nothing to back up your claims. Your claims about two Afghan-American women helping orphans in Kandahar, you did not substantiate. First of all, you are comparing two Muslimahs to Ashraf Ghani. This is not necessary. Most of the organizations that are truly helping Afghanistan are not tied to any military. You have the Red Cross and the Red Crescent operating in Afghanistan. They are not tied to the Americans. The organizations that are tied to the Americans are part of the propaganda campaign, and in fact have been found to be siphoning money out of Afghanistan- money meant for Afghan people. Its all one BIG SCAM.
America is not doing anything for Afghan people, except waging a failed war of aggression, something that has resulted in their defeat by their own admission.
Show me your evidence. There are American organizations that are not tied to the military. What do you mean by American support? Military support? There are a few American organizations that are neutral, and there are those that assist the US military in propaganda too. I don't understand what you mean by American. For a fact,Ashraf Ghani is in Afghanistan due to American war machine, not out of humanitarian concern for Afghan people. Again, it is not even prevalent because most Afghans will not assist foreigners in this war due to honor.
The "help" Americans requested has mostly been with translation. These translators assist in the night raids, and get paid BIG MONEY for doing it. They are only helping themselves, and making haraam money. Tell me otherwise.
You are again going off on a tangent. If there are Afghans who are helping other Afghans, then who is objecting. However, Afghans who are tied to the foreign occupation are part of the occupation too. Thats just common sense. The prevalent feeling on the ground is very anti-foreign.
You can google his name, statements, and actions. This war was started in October 2001. Did Afghans invade America? I don't recall this eer happening. What are you even talking about?
Read below. See who the civilians are blaming. The prevalent mood in Kabul is that the foreigners are to blame. This feeling is mostly everywhere in Afghanistan. Didn't the Mazar and Takhar protests tell you anything? Afghans are opposed to the foreign presence.
"Fruit vendors in the city’s relatively safe downtown and students at universities struck a similar tone and added a frequently heard argument: If the Americans leave, then the Taliban will no longer have an excuse to wage war.
“During the Taliban regime there were no suicide attacks, but since these people have shown up in our country, we have faced lots of adversity,” said Nasrullah, a shopkeeper in Kabul’s dilapidated downtown, who like many Afghans uses only one name. “When they leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will stop fighting; it is only because of these foreigners they are fighting.”
Pretty much every Afghan that goes back to 'rebuild' Afghanistan is going through Western organisations
http://outlookafghanistan.net/topics.php?post_id=932
but that doesn't mean they are going with the thought of supporting the ongoing war.
After years of war there is finally an opportunity to do something for Afghanistan, just because the war is endless and the foreign presence isn't disappearing
doesn't mean one should sit idle and wait until it all sorts out by itself. Because it doesn't work that way.
My point is that just like Ghani, even those Afghans from West who help the country wouldn't hand over their Western nationality. But that doesn't mean they become traitors, along with their country's interest they are also taking into consideration their own future interest. Nothing wrong with that, really.
Aren't the Northern Alliance supporting war on Taliban which goes at the cost of Afghan lives?
Aren't the Taliban supporting war on NA/NATO which goes at cost of Afghan lives?
These two parties aren't weakening each other; They are only taking our civilians' lives. Those 'secular Afghans' (whoever they are) might have supported wars, but those in have Afghanistan have in fact participated in them.
Afghanistan isn't just limited to Southern Afghanistan.
Go and ask the Northerners whether they prefer the current government or the Taliban regime?
The recent increased tensions in Kabul regarding Taliban should actually tell you enough, and if not then the increased tensions amongst Hazaras should.
Go and witness those number of mansions owned per political-tie in Kabul only, forget about those in Nangarhar, Mazar and Herat. Witness those thousands of 'engineers' who have bagged hundreds of thousands of Dollars in name of 'constructions', and guess where the money ends up landing? Not to forget the ridiculous amount of money they got for construction of Kabul Airport, which in real isn't even worth a hundred Dollars. And by the way, take a closer look at your own provided source.
America is not doing anything for Afghan people, except waging a failed war of aggression, something that has resulted in their defeat by their own admission.
My point is that like Ghani even these Muslimahs also came to help Afghanistan through American support
, and requested Afghans in West to join American organisations in rebuilding Afghanistan
They are also afraid of Taliban and spoke against the Taliban, but does that discredit the support they have provided the homeless, orphaned and widows?
How do you know he is supporting war against Afghanistan? What war are you talking about by the way?; Those against the Taliban, or those against the civilians?
Because people I see suffering are the civilians, thanks to both the foreigners and our own Afghan 'elements'
"Fruit vendors in the city’s relatively safe downtown and students at universities struck a similar tone and added a frequently heard argument: If the Americans leave, then the Taliban will no longer have an excuse to wage war.
“During the Taliban regime there were no suicide attacks, but since these people have shown up in our country, we have faced lots of adversity,” said Nasrullah, a shopkeeper in Kabul’s dilapidated downtown, who like many Afghans uses only one name. “When they leave Afghanistan, the Taliban will stop fighting; it is only because of these foreigners they are fighting.”
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