President. Najibullah

[Haris]

i would. i wouldn't mind him killing that amount of people either. just the type that refuse to change their way of thinking and are often out to create friction between people. i am more than sure that there would be others who will not see it how i do. no matter how thin you slice it, there is always two sides.

Hmmm..ok

So let's say i'm the future leader of Afghanistan.

I decide to kill anyone who I deem to be causing friction and going against my view. I do not care whether people want the government to be democratic or islamic. I will make a government that I think works best. People can't see this and aren't willing to change their way of thinking so I decide to kill and torture anyone who publicly cries out against my brutal policies. This results in thousands if not millions dead (with countless human rights abuses).
But I get to rule the country the way I want.


Would I, in that example be better for Afghanistan than Karzai?

watching afghanistan and the war has become extremely frustrating. no one is winning, no one is losing.

We are all losing.

As the saying goes "there are no winners in war".

[ScimitarXEdge]

DZJ in her absurd hindsight fails to see the abject irrationality of her argument. A president who behaves as Najib did inevitably creates friction between people and thus is the catalyst for much of what they're trying to control. Which makes them the force of dissession and thus would require their death as well.

[IamDZJ]

Hmmm..ok

So let's say i'm the future leader of Afghanistan.

I decide to kill anyone who I deem to be causing friction and going against my view. I do not care whether people want the government to be democratic or islamic. I will make a government that I think works best. People can't see this and aren't willing to change their way of thinking so I decide to kill and torture anyone who publicly cries out against my brutal policies. This results in thousands if not millions dead (with countless human rights abuses).
But I get to rule the country the way I want.
you wouldn't do any of that because you want it that way. you would do that because you believe its the right way of doing it. you will also not get to that point if not enough people believed in what you do. i simply said that the two had good leadership skills. what cooks in a pot is not the pot's fault.

Would I, in that example be better for Afghanistan than Karzai?




We are all losing.

As the saying goes "there are no winners in war."
the saying only applies to bystanders, not players. there is always a winner and a loser.

[unknownprince]

Najib was never strong because he was a servant of the foreigners, and that is the reason he ended up hanged, and had money stuffed into his body.

You have to understand that the sell outs who converge in Kabul will never have say in Afghanistan. The rural Afghans will always rule Afghanistan.

It is not the love that a few communists have for Najib that mattered, it was whether the rural Pashtuns would ever accept it, and well, his and the fate of his foreign backers is your eternal answer.

[Haris]

You said that you would prefer them over Karzai.
I disagree with that because I am of the belief that many more would suffer at their hands (and they actually did) than would under Karzai's regime. I would prefer a slightly murderous corrupt puppet (Karzai) to a heavily murderous corrupt puppet (Najibullah).

But we can agree to disagree.




It applies to all especially the players. Everyone is affaected by war in one way or another. In war there are losses on both sides. There may be a final victory in the traditional sense but that does not take into account all those losses suffered by the players, their families and the rest.
As someone else once said "Both sides in any conflict suffer losses. The question is not who won the most but who lost the least"

[KingKhan]

Thanks everyone on your insights. Can we not change the topic to an Afghan/Arab battle.

I wanna know more about Pres. Najibullah.

[Zahed]

You are naive. The Afghans had more of an impact on the Arab world than the Arabs had on Afghanistan.
Here is an excerpt from a book "The Arabs" by Eugene Rogen:
The Arab volunteers did not make much of an impact in the afghan war against the Soviet Union. In retrosprect, Abdullah Anas declared that the Arab contribution to the afghan war amounted to no more than "a drop in the ocean." The group of volunteers who came to be known as the "afghan arabs" probably never exceeded a maximum of two thousand men, and of those, "only a very small proportion entered Afghanistan and took part in the fighting with the majahideen." Anas claimed the remainder stayed in Peshawar and volunteered their services "as doctors and drivers, cooks and accountants and engineers."
Yet the Afghan Jihad had an enduring influence over the arab world. Many of those who answered the call to jihad returned to their native lands intent on realizing the ideal islamic order that had inspired them in Afghanistan. Anas estimated some 300 Algerian volunteers served in Afghanistan, many of them would return home to play an active part in a new Islamist political party, "The Islamic Salvation Front".
Many Arabs tell me that it is because of Afghans that they have much "terrorism" in Arab land. Like those Arabs, you have been brainwashed to believe in ideas that only divide and rule. "Terrorism" or "resistance" what ever you want to call it is a reaction to European Imperialism. It is only natural for people to resist any imperialistic powers like it or not.

what the hell 're u talking about?? I'm not talking about Soviet war were uncalled bimbos like Pakiis Arabs Chechen 'n other shets came seeking their death 'n screwing our country in even deeper shet. fcuk what the Arabs say the creators of terrorism 've started to terrorise many lands in name of Islam over 1000 yrs ago which people like urself see as a way of life. for animals probably it could 've been a way of life

[Zahed]

Nothing in common with me? I'm Pashtun, from my father's side, so you had plenty of common with me, you on the other hand have adopted the Farangay way of thinking, what in common you have with Pashtuns? But I get your point; you perceive things as the "the Arabs invaded"; but those Arabs you claim had invadeddidn't do so for the sake of being Arab, because Arabs themselves were originally not Muslim and Muslims defeated the Arabs who weren't Muslims. It was for values, universal values which is fundamental for human life that the Muslims invaded. And that is why we're all Muslims today. And that is why Arabs, Pashtuns , Iranians, Pakistanis, as people, not the Puppet Governments share more in common. And therefore foreigners who are like us share bonds based on having similar culture. Ghairat for Pashtuns is same for Arabs. Where is Ghairat in Russia or America? or any of the Polluted Farangayan you worship? even with any problems we have had with Iran, Pakistan or Saudis, they never killed 1.5 Million Afghans, the Russians did. The tension we see with Pakistanis, Iranians and Saudis is fighting amongst brothers, just like Tribes of Pashtuns do with each other. The fighting we have with Russia or Corrupt Shallow Imperialism from Materialistic societies .....is fighting against people who's values in opposition to our own. That's the difference.

ye Pashtoon from dad's side but never brought up in Pashtoon culture never spoke Pashtu language nor ever been to Pashtoon land 'n gather guts to decide what should happen in Pashtoon land. hypocrite. Arabs 're as farangy to me as 're Britons 'n if I got nothing in common with them then 10000% dont want to 've anything in common with u. even Russia can argue they invaded AFG for values morals 'n all other religious bullshet. ur values may be shet to them 'n theirs to u which doesnt mean a damn. 'n ye what fanatic religious people amongst Arabs Pakiis Pashtoons Iranians got in common is barbarity so u got that right. 'n U an Arab is speaking of ghairat?? did ur ghairat die when Pakiis killed a million Bangalis 'n raped over 600.000 of them?? did ur ghairat die when mujahideen killed thousands of men 'n raped thousands of women?? did ur ghairat die when millions of shias 'n soennis were killing eachother in Iraq?? now compare those numbers to those killed by Soviets. thats ur Islamic ghairat? ironically it were the mujahideen who started the bombardments of areas they suspected contained Soviets 'n ur Pakii brothers encouraged them to carry on fighting a war which made them kill as many Afghans whether by mistake or purposely. 'n same in Iraq ur Iranian brothers encouraged the shias to oppose the soennis even tho it cost Iraq over a million lives. both Iraq 'n AFG today 're dependent on Americans ferangyan for a living. where is ur Muslim ghairat as an Arab to fulfil ur so called duty instead? talking of ghairat

[Zahed]

DZJ pa ahmaqan reshtya sha ne lagezhi, le her kra de do shaadibazi. khpel magzh pa dase nakaro ma zay kawa

[unknownprince]

what the hell 're u talking about?? I'm not talking about Soviet war were uncalled bimbos like Pakiis Arabs Chechen 'n other shets came seeking their death 'n screwing our country in even deeper shet. fcuk what the Arabs say the creators of terrorism 've started to terrorise many lands in name of Islam over 1000 yrs ago which people like urself see as a way of life. for animals probably it could 've been a way of life

look you munafiqeen sell out. You are most likely a supporter of Najib who killed millions of Afghans. Go to the rural parts of Afghanistan, and open your stinky sell-out mouth, see what they say/do to you? Arabs and Chechens were very insignificant to the Soviet defeat as were the Paksitanis and the Americans.

It was 100% Afghan

How dare you insult Afghans? You mean to say that the Afghans who defeated the British, Russians, and Persians before without anyones help could not have defeated the Soviets by themselves?

Pakistan, like you, supports the US war of aggression against the Afghan people with their supply routes and drone attacks they allow. This is what you are too.

Stop playing the usual BS you Northern ALliance trash.

[Zahed]

look you munafiqeen sell out. You are most likely a supporter of Najib who killed millions of Afghans. Go to the rural parts of Afghanistan, and open your stinky sell-out mouth, see what they say/do to you? Arabs and Chechens were very insignificant to the Soviet defeat as were the Paksitanis and the Americans.

It was 100% Afghan

How dare you insult Afghans? You mean to say that the Afghans who defeated the British, Russians, and Persians before without anyones help could not have defeated the Soviets by themselves?

Pakistan, like you, supports the US war of aggression against the Afghan people with their supply routes and drone attacks they allow. This is what you are too.

Stop playing the usual BS you Northern ALliance trash.

lol de munafiq awlada go 'n stick ur tail in ur arse 'n get laid in prayer for ur Allah instead of wasting ur time on a kaafir.. waste of sperm

[khushal]

what the hell 're u talking about?? I'm not talking about Soviet war were uncalled bimbos like Pakiis Arabs Chechen 'n other shets came seeking their death 'n screwing our country in even deeper shet. fcuk what the Arabs say the creators of terrorism 've started to terrorise many lands in name of Islam over 1000 yrs ago which people like urself see as a way of life. for animals probably it could 've been a way of life

You have to refute what i say through reasoning and logic. what you said is just barbaric barking. I have told you many times to go get an education. Either Reason like a human being or shut the hell up.

[Azmaray]

if u want to know who was najiballah ASK the villagers ?

[Nokia_Apridy]

Azmareya ask the KOCHYAN awo GHALEY Tabar...

[ScimitarXEdge]

ye Pashtoon from dad's side but never brought up in Pashtoon culture never spoke Pashtu language nor ever been to Pashtoon land 'n gather guts to decide what should happen in Pashtoon land. hypocrite. Arabs 're as farangy to me as 're Britons 'n if I got nothing in common with them then 10000% dont want to 've anything in common with u. even Russia can argue they invaded AFG for values morals 'n all other religious bullshet. ur values may be shet to them 'n theirs to u which doesnt mean a damn. 'n ye what fanatic religious people amongst Arabs Pakiis Pashtoons Iranians got in common is barbarity so u got that right. 'n U an Arab is speaking of ghairat?? did ur ghairat die when Pakiis killed a million Bangalis 'n raped over 600.000 of them?? did ur ghairat die when mujahideen killed thousands of men 'n raped thousands of women?? did ur ghairat die when millions of shias 'n soennis were killing eachother in Iraq?? now compare those numbers to those killed by Soviets. thats ur Islamic ghairat? ironically it were the mujahideen who started the bombardments of areas they suspected contained Soviets 'n ur Pakii brothers encouraged them to carry on fighting a war which made them kill as many Afghans whether by mistake or purposely. 'n same in Iraq ur Iranian brothers encouraged the shias to oppose the soennis even tho it cost Iraq over a million lives. both Iraq 'n AFG today 're dependent on Americans ferangyan for a living. where is ur Muslim ghairat as an Arab to fulfil ur so called duty instead? talking of ghairat

The reason Arabs have nothing in common with you is because you're a slave of farangayan. so your view of them is based on the paradigm instilled in you by farangyan. You're lying when you say British are farangays to you; because your way of thinking which contradicts the Pashtun moral principles are totally fabricated and made up by farangayan. You're just using Arabs as a diversion from your subservience to Imperialists.

Even if what you were saying was true about me, which it isn't , that I am not raised as a Pashtun. It wouldn't matter; because my world view and my morals and principles are wholly consistent with being Pashtun; where as your morals are consistent with the values of Pashtuns. Really, the problem isn'tr that Arabs have nothing in common with you; You have nothing in common with Pashtuns, hence like a blind Farangay who is ignorant you think everything Muslim equals following Arab, typical uneducated Farangay understanding.

Either way, no matter how you try to argue; even if what you're saying is true about Arabs, which it isn't. it doesn't matter because now we are Muslims and we have been for many generations and it is apart of our culture and heritage now and we live by it now. So Arabs are closer to us, they share the same type of views, same type of behaviors, same type of culture, especially people from Yemen.

Why are you Bringing up Bangladesh? We're talking about Afghanistan, focus on AFGHANISTAN, Najibullah was a servant of Russia and he killed more Afghans than all the Mujahideen COMBINED. Along with Russians who killed 1.5 Million. So don't ask me where my Ghairat is; Tell me where YOUR Ghairat is. It seems you are willing to make friends more with Farangyan who have nothing in common with you than Our own brothers.

Yes there has been Muslim fighting, mainly started and manipulated by your Masters the Farangyan. But that is their strategy, make Muslims fight each other and keep their control. That is exactly why we should cooperate because fighting each other and joining with farangyan is a threat to our entire civilization as a whole. So no more fighting between Arabs or other Ethnicities, time to join forces against the GREATER Evil; The Farangyan. The Arabs never did Battle of Gandamak with Pashtuns. the Farangyan did. That is where my Ghairat is. ....Where is yours Farangay slave?