pakistan handing over osama's wives.

[ScimitarXEdge]

What is it with your name-calling dude, I am from Waziristan not mainland Pakistan. My mother and father are both Pashtuns, your family are not even full blooded Pashtuns and your going around divising Pashtuns geographically because some of us dont subscribe to your Desert Dwelling Arab banter.

Get a life man. I am more Pashtun than you, your an Minority, start acting like one. I was born on the Motherland the Hewad, you was born in America to a Yemani!lol! dont make a fool of yourself poyshway, pa waziristan shay miz tuse gwanay khalq "Kwatanyun" bulee lol!

I am more Anti-Pakistan then most here, unlike you who promotes Arab Brotherhood Policies to unite with Pakistans as you puppet string the Pashtun population.

Be a man! Learn Pushto correctly and get a LIFE

P.S I would probably be killed for my views in the Land of the British Raj, but since your an Arab, I am sure 99.9 percent of Punjabis would love to bow down to you and copy you! lol! you fail.

Listen; you're just empty futile rhetoric and pomp; anyone can claim all the stuff you claim that doesnt give you credibility just because you make inflated claims.

But the fact is you have a Pakistani Passport; you just admitted you were born there. Hence your citizenship is Pakistani. It's an agreement between Pakistan and the British, just like the British Raj. For it's nationals to have dual citizenship

Furthermore your ideology is consistent with the ideology of Mainstream Anglo-IMperialistic Colonization. This is also consistent with the advent of Pakistan as they too adopted such a thing

You would probably be killed for your views? A True Pashtuns wouldnt be afraid of Punjabis; the fact you fear a death sentence from Punjabis means you lack merranitob, which is a Counter Pashtun attribute.


Thirdly this whole scapegoat you use of Arab this and Punjabi that is a farce; Herre's why, Punjabis and arabs to have Imperial Ambitions would require that they have their own Independent Hegemonies. Pakistan is a Proxy State made by the British to maintain conflict in South Asia. The Arabs are under the control of Puppet Regimes who are servile to Imperialist (Capitalist centered) dominance. Which would mean that whatever they do is an extension of the British and Americans agendas

Yet you're always promoting NATO and America, while it's fully evident of the facts above. Which proves that you're using Following Imperialist orders to divert Muslims and stir conflict to maintain control of Muslim regions.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

L.O.L

Do I have to waste my time speaking to rabid lunatic or is this Edge of a Sword individual fustrated that his Yemani brother(Bin Laden) was tossed into the Sea.

Dude like I said before, I was born in Pakhtunkhwa not America or Britain like you, and I have no hatred towards my people wheather they are in Afghanistan or Loy Pakhtunkhwa, I oppose Pakistan and its Ikhwani partners.

I think you should re-think your methods, even if you visit any Pashtun village, they will still see you as a Arabay, you know Pashtuns can be very Fussy over their race.

Keep your mouth shut next time you try and fabricate others Identities, Me and Toramana are not Pro Pakistanis and neither do we accept the title Pakistani or Ultra-Pakistani Nationalist, If I was given the chance, I would have placed every Arab Terrorist on Pashtun soil with the Pakistani Nationalists into a container and shot them all in the Dark, so they can screem just as how Pashtun sisters screemed when they were taken as Harems for Militant Arabs in Swat,Waziristan and Afghanistan, and screem like the Pashtuns mothers who came home to see their children in bits because of a Suicide bomber

Poyshway.

[ScimitarXEdge]

That's just your fantasy world acting up again, your traumatic hallucinations from being made a Slave of every Farangay that traversed South Asia

You assume that because you're broken up that the British Raj will one day die completely, that others will be broken up too. But go ahead keep believing this hallucination if it eases your conscience.

You were born in Pakistan; you're a Pakistani citizen. There's no such thing as a "citizen of Pakhtunkhwah"; you're a PAKISTANI NATIONAL


It's funny you even admitted yourself if you were to reveal your true beliefs amongst Pashtuns they'd kill you, and yet you accuse me of being far from Pashtuns. I wonder what the average Pashtun would say if you Started telling them the reason they don't let women flaunt around like cheap harlots is because, just as you Admire European women doing, is because they're afraid of women. You're right there would be screams, and they would be yours as the Tribal Mashars dismember you and throw your remains to the the chinji

Plus what you're saying isn't true; Your Ancestors were Gandharans, who were an Indic Stock of people and spoke Indo-Prakrit; when Pashtuns from present day Afghanistan conquered, we taught you Pashto and eventually allowed you to assimilate. If we Pashtuns were racist, you'd still be speaking Prakrit like your Gandharan ancestors.

You gave this perverse imaginary scenario of Pashtun girls in Arab Harems and Yet But you have no problem with your plans to Sell Pashtun girls to Western Sex Tourists so your dream of making Pashtunkhwah into a New Saigon to please the British Raj and his son America come true.

I guess Pashtun screams arent heard by you when it's done by farangays.

[MDresden]

People are realizing Edge is only here to incite rage and violence. I wonder when his number will come up.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

He is an Pan-Arabist, he moans all day long about Imperialism but on the other hand he supports Arab Imperialism upon the Pashtun people by posting fabricated disinformation about the Pashtun people being related to Arabs.

He is desparate to prove his point and by doing so he labels me with false names which quite funny because who cares lol!

He lives in America comfortably with his Yemani family protected by the American government, and he has the nerve to call the Sons of the Hewad as Paki Nationalists just because they strongly support the Pashtun identity and refuse to Arabify it and end up like these identity complex Punjabis who still dance in the name of Baghdad lol!

[Toramana]

Pashtun_ultranationalist is a red-blooded Pashtun in every sense of the word whether family affiliation or patriotic feelings unlike Edge who must have inherited some Arab genes via maternal line (nothing wrong about that) and who cannot have any other concept of Pashtun/Afghan identity except the one that is subservient to the Arab cause and Arab ideological leadership.

I have faced the same allegation from ghwandal and Edge i.e., being a Pakistani, which is true in the sense that administratively and politically I am a Pakistani. What they side-sweep is that despite being Pakistanis- in political sense- we i.e., me and Pashtun-ultranationalist, never subscribed to the Punjab-centered Indian-Muslim identity of Pakistan (the regional version of Arab-centered global Pan-Islamic identity).

But that is not the actual reason for SE and ghwandal to attack us. The real cause for this sudden anger towards us is our non-subscription to the Arab-centered Pan-Islam and opposition to the use and destruction of our Pashtun Land -as santuary- by Osama Bin Laden and his band of Arab nationlists for the Arab cause.

An evidence of it is, despite some members here being avowedly Pakistanis (Karachi, Luffy, etc.), SE and ghwandal khan have not attacked them and have used the label of Pakistaniyath as a demeaning weapon only against us.

We stand for Pashtun land and say that it would be more sensible and logical of Osama, Zawahiri, and other Arab nationalists to take their war for the liberation of Muslim Ummah (actually restoration of Arab national supremacy at the world stage) to the holy Arab lands of Hijaz, Mecca, Madina, Palestine, Iraq, etc. We say this because these lands have more American basis and troops and for a longer time than Afghanistan. That is why the anger towards us. By the way, American and NATO forces are in Afghanistan because of Osama, Zawahiri, and Al-Qaueda primarily an Arab organization. The moment the Arab-heavy Al-Qaueda leaves and its affiliate organization i.e., the Taleban dis-associate from Al-Qaueda, US-NATO would not stay for longer.

To sum it, SE etc. are against us -me and P-UN, not because we are Pakistanis but because we are Pashtuns and are against the use of our lands by Arabs fundamentally for an Arab cause. One can guess well who is/are more non-Pashtun and loyal to a non-Pashtun agenda---we P-UN or SE.

[Toramana]

Also, it is amazing that SE never gets irritated when the most negative things are said about Pashtuns but seems bruised and is provoked when Arabs are controversially mentioned. That shows what his actual sentiments are.

[Toramana]

Even talking of Pakistaniyath, it is a fact that Pakisan sheltered Osama Bin Laden and his brand of Arab nationalits for almost 10 years whether to take economic or political advantage of his situation or out of sincerity. Same can be said of Osama motives i.e., he exploited the sanctuaries provided to him by his Pakistani hosts for highlighting Arab/Palestinian cause as evident from many of the Osama, Zawahiri, etc. statements which were/are very focussed on Arab/Palestinian issue and seldom talked of the miseries of non-Arab Muslims in other parts of the world.

As selfish Pakistan was or is so selfish also are these Arabs. I don't think any Arab would let any Pakistani use Arab land for his/her political cause e.g., for liberation of Kasmir.

It is strange that Arabs themselves have an Arab-focussed agenda as evident from the Arab-spring uprisings yet they expect non-Arab Muslims to stick to Pan-Islam and to be defenders of Osama's and Arab honour.

[ghundal]

From what I have read, The Afghan reistance/ Taliban were not on good terms with Osama for his public statements.

They were opposed to any foreigner using their land. Likewise, Afghans are opposed to the foreign presence. Naturally, unlike you, Afghans, and specifically Pashtuns will always oppose foreigners whoever they are. I know this disappoints you very very much.

So, now you are being a hypocrite. Easy for you to support US-NATO as you apparently seem to be disconnected with the sufferings of the Afghans.

You are even disconnected with the suffering of the Pashtuns in KP and FATA from drone attacks.

This leaves only questions my dear friend.

[ghundal]

Also, the Osama story is all up in the air and questionable. None of us know anything. No case has been made against him. There is also no prroof. He has never admitted anything. We don't know when he died. We know he existed.

No body, no death. Thats the golden rule.

What we do know, is this was a very disgusting game played between US and PAK to make money out of pashtun bloodshed.

that is known for a fact now.

[Toramana]

You are a Pakistani.

From what I have read, The Afghan reistance/ Taliban were not on good terms with Osama for his public statements.

They were opposed to any foreigner using their land. Likewise, Afghans are opposed to the foreign presence. Naturally, unlike you, Afghans, and specifically Pashtuns will always oppose foreigners whoever they are. I know this disappoints you very very much.

So, now you are being a hypocrite. Easy for you to support US-NATO as you apparently seem to be disconnected with the sufferings of the Afghans.

You are even disconnected with the suffering of the Pashtuns in KP and FATA from drone attacks.

This leaves only questions my dear friend.

By the way your ideology and political approah is more aligned with Pakistan foremost its right-of-center establishment and intensely nationalist religious-extremist movements and political parties. Your Siraj Haqqani, Mullah Omar (the caveman), Gulbuddin Hikmatyar, etc. are right now enjoying the security provided to them by their Pakistani mentors to attack Afghanistan, destroy schools, behead Pashtun elders in FATA, etc.

The same way Pakistanis call Afghanistan to be an occupied land similarly you call UN-mandated force in Afghanistan to be occupation force. You are waging the same propaganda as carried out by Pakistan to advance its strategic-depth agenda through Taleban proxies.

That proves who is more loyal to Pakistan politically and ideologically.

[ghundal]

Pakistan and US-NATO are on the same page making money out of pashtun bloodshed. That UN mandate is another form of aggression against the Afghan people that you support.

You try to separate USNATO and PAK for some reason which is very clear. They are both the same in this campaign against the Afghan people.

For some reason you think angrezi fart smells good when it is the same fart of the pakistani LOL they are both the same, wheeling an dealing against Pashtuns,

what can I say?

HA

[ScimitarXEdge]

Also, it is amazing that SE never gets irritated when the most negative things are said about Pashtuns but seems bruised and is provoked when Arabs are controversially mentioned. That shows what his actual sentiments are.

That's not true, if I seem "irritated" it's only because it's pathetic to see how gullible people on this forum are and even after 500 years of Europeans meddling in Asia, applying Divide and Rule; you guys still fall for it and let them manipulate you and your sentiments in every way.

I mean if I were so much of a defender of Arabs, why do I call Saudis puppets and Saddam a Fascist? Come on Toramana don't look at reality so one sided and keep one eye closed to things which are convenient for you to ignore?

[ScimitarXEdge]

People are realizing Edge is only here to incite rage and violence. I wonder when his number will come up.

Hahaha oh really, care to show an example?

[Alchemist]

Even talking of Pakistaniyath, it is a fact that Pakisan sheltered Osama Bin Laden and his brand of Arab nationalits for almost 10 years whether to take economic or political advantage of his situation or out of sincerity. Same can be said of Osama motives i.e., he exploited the sanctuaries provided to him by his Pakistani hosts for highlighting Arab/Palestinian cause as evident from many of the Osama, Zawahiri, etc. statements which were/are very focussed on Arab/Palestinian issue and seldom talked of the miseries of non-Arab Muslims in other parts of the world.

As selfish Pakistan was or is so selfish also are these Arabs. I don't think any Arab would let any Pakistani use Arab land for his/her political cause e.g., for liberation of Kasmir.

It is strange that Arabs themselves have an Arab-focussed agenda as evident from the Arab-spring uprisings yet they expect non-Arab Muslims to stick to Pan-Islam and to be defenders of Osama's and Arab honour.

You seem confused to me.

Why are you so anti Pakistani?
And also Anti Afghan?
Anti Arab?


Technically speaking, you are pakistani.

Correct me if I am wrong but you believe that "real" pashtuns live in the Peshawar Valley?

You praise the British for building up Peshawar when they ruled it.

You despise Islam and think of it as an Arab imperialistic ideology used to rule others.

And your praise for western progress murmurs in your heart and heard loud and clear.

So really it seems that your wish is finally coming true. The west in time will soon invade Pakistan full scale. And rule over Peshawar once more. Then you will see it return to the same way it was under the British Raj.
And there is some realism to this aspiration of yours.
As it is quite clear to you that Pashtuns in Pakistan are more indian-like than Pashtuns in Afghanistan are Iranian/Tajik-like.

All this indicates to me that outwardly you are indian, inwardly you are western. You capture the historical struggle of a people from 100 years ago, and internalize that problem of two distinct cultures - british and india- that emerges and you wish to break free from both into something new - yet old. The Old Gandaharian? The new Pashtun Ultranationalism where for the first time in history all pashtuns will unite against all the rest. This new pashtun society will be totally divorced from the Arab/Islamic aspirations that much of pashtun society today is transfixed on - and enacted by the Taliban. Maybe you will even invent a new script for pashto so as to not leave any trace of Islam or arab influence on your new society. Then I suppose you would have pashtoons not practice even Islam anymore. They ought to then emulate the western life style, as have the Indians. Naturally, you don't expect them to be living in the stone age forever?

I am sorry.
I just don't see that happening.
It is not even realistic anymore.
You have about the same sort of aspirations as hitler.
At times I don't even know what you want...

so really ...what do you want?