pakistan handing over osama's wives.

[ScimitarXEdge]

azmal, you say some good things but you slip to these piggish lows every now and again. it is not necessary.

Azmal is a slave ....he will say and do anything to make them happy

in fact he got his whole "buy one get one free idea" because that's how he got Asylum in America. lol

[Alchemist]

Truth Seekers?

ha ha ha, you mean people with alot of time on their hands.

What is there to accuse, you guys question things out of denial. If you cant accept the Truth, then keep your gob shut.

You live in Australia not the land of Pashtuns, You have had no experience living with Pashtuns or experienced their problems, you only been to Afghanistan and Iran as a Western Tourist, as if they are going to give you a tour of the Taliban countryside lol!

Go and read the book by Zahid Hussain, called frontline Pakistan instead of brainwashing and self abusing yourself with mumbo jumbo conspriacy theorist jibberish.

If Alqaeda and co do not exist, then how come the IDPS all will tell you about their brutality, oh wait, i guess those homeless Pashtuns are all paid by repilitian/masonic/freemason hollywood directors to say such things to prolong Illuminatis domination of the World hahaha

Faye, I find it very insulting, I am from Waziristan, I know many people who were killed by these Fanatics, It really makes me angry when I see people who are 1)non-Pashtun 2) who are Pashtun but never been to Hewad, go around spreading disinformation and telling the public wrong things, because those relatives of people who have been killed by Alqaeda have suffered alot of torment and its people such as you who go around accusing them of being liars.

Its utterly disgraceful.

You live in the UK

you experienced Pakistan when you were there for a summer vacation 2 years ago...

as a tourist.

and then some books...



so shhhhhhh....

[ScimitarXEdge]

I never understand how Pakistani Ultra Nationalist poses as some first hand expert when he dwells in the land of the British Raj.

[Toramana]

I never understand how Pakistani Ultra Nationalist poses as some first hand expert when he dwells in the land of the British Raj.

May be ... but we consider it our own land ...the Pukhtunkhwa ...and what about you....? Why have you along with Al-Chemist preferred to live under an infidel system...I think it is worse than living in a semi-independent state.

[ghundal]

I never understand how Pakistani Ultra Nationalist poses as some first hand expert when he dwells in the land of the British Raj.

Scimitar, Alchemist,

These guys want the bloodshed of Afghans for their own secular cause. They are pathetic and disgusting. I have a picture of all of them in my mind.

They talk of greats Ahmad Shah Baba, Mirwais Neeka, and Sher Shah Suri, but these great kings would spit on their faces, and kick them.

The more they talk, they disgust me.

I hope everyone else sees their disgusting and pathetic nature.

Barakzai, you guys, and Khushal do a great job at exposing them.

They don't give a damn about others dying.

They make it obvious.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

I understand that the ground level realities of warfare, especially this brand of warfare are very contingent upon intelligence gathering of any sort. As we saw, when they described how they found the courier, it was through interrogation of various people (like his driver, his shoemaker, etc) However, the detainment of Abdul Salam Zaeef (an ambassador), and these women are really offensive in general when it comes to the customs of war.

Contrast this with Alexander the Great's behavior:

"But as he was going to supper, word was brought him that Darius' mother and wife and two unmarried daughters, being taken among the rest of the prisoners, upon the sight of his chariot and bow, were all in mourning and sorrow, imagining him to be dead. After a little pause, more lively affected with their affliction than with his own success, he sent [his friend] Leonnatus to them, to let them know Darius was not dead, and that they need not fear any harm from Alexander, who made war upon him only for dominion; they should themselves be provided with everything they had been used to receive from Darius. This kind message could not but be very welcome to the captive ladies, especially being made good by actions no less humane and generous. For he gave them leave to bury whom they pleased of the Persians, and to make use for this purpose of what garments and furniture they thought fit out of the booty. He diminished nothing of their equipage, or of the attentions and respect formerly paid them, and allowed larger pensions for their maintenance than they had before."
http://www.livius.org/aj-al/alexande...ander_t07.html


Or the behavior of the Prophet Muhammad (S) when Musaylamah the False Prophet sent him an ambassador, named Ibn an-Nawwahah, attempting to challenge him. Ibn an-Nawwahah dared to utter such inflammatory words to the Prophet Muhammad as to declare Musaylimah a challenger to the seal of the Prophethood:
"Do you testify that Musaylimah is a messenger from Allah'' He said, "Yes.'' The Messenger of Allah said, "I would have cut off your head, if it was not that emissaries are not killed." (ibn kathir)

[faye]

As I said, they must have blown up a grenade inside it. The outside damage (lesser if the explosion was inside) may not be clearly visible in the pic.

this conversation with you khalsa, reminds me of a conversation i once had in india. an indian man asked me about my house in my country. i said i do not have a house, he said 'oh, madam, i do not believe you'. i tell him, it is true, i do not have a house. he says, 'oh, madam, i do not believe you. my friend said, it is true. the indian says 'i do not believe you, sir'

[ScimitarXEdge]

May be ... but we consider it our own land ...the Pukhtunkhwa ...and what about you....? Why have you along with Al-Chemist preferred to live under an infidel system...I think it is worse than living in a semi-independent state.

Well that's the difference, Pakistani Ultra Nationalist will be the first one to label others hypocrites ...without seeing the nuance and complexities of the situation

I can see the strategic and tactical advantage of living "under the infidel" system since that's the only way to access the institutions that operate their infrastructure. You can all accuse us of trying to seek after luxury; but This wont happen by expecting Americans to build shopping malls in Peshawar or Kabul.

I understand the situation is complex; the lines are not easily marked in the sand.

especially in the Modern Technocratic Age, the "System of the Infidel" is now Global. And I surely dont have a rocketship to the moon.

[khushal]

did you see a picture of it? it is about 12 foot long and no signs of blownupness from whatever, on or near it.

From what I understand that piece that you are talking about which looks intact is the tail of the helicopter. I don't think they have shown the whole helicopter in pictures. The US claims that they burned the helicopter so Pakistan wont sell it to the Chinese out of fear of copying the technology.

This whole raid has too many questions written all over it. Is it possible they intentionally left the helicopter there to have evidence that the raid took place just in case people would say that the raid never took place. Its all BS.

[ComradePashtun]

Well that's the difference, Pakistani Ultra Nationalist will be the first one to label others hypocrites ...without seeing the nuance and complexities of the situation

I can see the strategic and tactical advantage of living "under the infidel" system since that's the only way to access the institutions that operate their infrastructure. You can all accuse us of trying to seek after luxury; but This wont happen by expecting Americans to build shopping malls in Peshawar or Kabul.

I understand the situation is complex; the lines are not easily marked in the sand.

especially in the Modern Technocratic Age, the "System of the Infidel" is now Global. And I surely dont have a rocketship to the moon.

Lol who is talking about institution and rightly and legitimately speaking about "strategy" and "tactic". I thought you were simple and stratight muslim. So you don't mind institutions then, why can't you be persistent with that logic of being able to seek strategic and tactical advantage when it comes to others? Nut job, so what are those advantages and what exactly are you going to do do with it?

[KhalsaWarrior]

this conversation with you khalsa, reminds me of a conversation i once had in india. an indian man asked me about my house in my country. i said i do not have a house, he said 'oh, madam, i do not believe you'. i tell him, it is true, i do not have a house. he says, 'oh, madam, i do not believe you. my friend said, it is true. the indian says 'i do not believe you, sir'

Lol..I am just going by what I inferred from the pics and the whole story. I guess we all see what we want to see.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

I never understand how Pakistani Ultra Nationalist poses as some first hand expert when he dwells in the land of the British Raj.

What is it with your name-calling dude, I am from Waziristan not mainland Pakistan. My mother and father are both Pashtuns, your family are not even full blooded Pashtuns and your going around divising Pashtuns geographically because some of us dont subscribe to your Desert Dwelling Arab banter.

Get a life man. I am more Pashtun than you, your an Minority, start acting like one. I was born on the Motherland the Hewad, you was born in America to a Yemani!lol! dont make a fool of yourself poyshway, pa waziristan shay miz tuse gwanay khalq "Kwatanyun" bulee lol!

I am more Anti-Pakistan then most here, unlike you who promotes Arab Brotherhood Policies to unite with Pakistans as you puppet string the Pashtun population.

Be a man! Learn Pushto correctly and get a LIFE

P.S I would probably be killed for my views in the Land of the British Raj, but since your an Arab, I am sure 99.9 percent of Punjabis would love to bow down to you and copy you! lol! you fail.

[Pashtun_Ultranationalist]

Lol who is talking about institution and rightly and legitimately speaking about "strategy" and "tactic". I thought you were simple and stratight muslim. So you don't mind institutions then, why can't you be persistent with that logic of being able to seek strategic and tactical advantage when it comes to others? Nut job, so what are those advantages and what exactly are you going to do do with it?

Hes fustrated, Just because I oppose his Arab Imperialism and his constant moaning as if he is been the only persecuted one on the planet, he resorts to calling me a Pakistani, some may not notice this, but its very insulting, he is breaking rules there, there should be no tolaration for those who divide Pashtuns, I have never said I am a Pakistani Nationalist, hes just name-calling. He is an Minority, not even a full blooded Pashtun and was born in America, he has no right to place false labels upon other Pashtuns. He assumed, all Pashtuns are going to get excited over Arabs like how Punjabis do, but I guess that is haunting him.

Oh well, who cares mara, he can call me a Pakistani all he wants, If it makes him happy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Lol who is talking about institution and rightly and legitimately speaking about "strategy" and "tactic". I thought you were simple and stratight muslim. So you don't mind institutions then, why can't you be persistent with that logic of being able to seek strategic and tactical advantage when it comes to others? Nut job, so what are those advantages and what exactly are you going to do do with it?

Your misunderstanding has to do with context; just because I see the inevitable reality of having to confront institutions doesn't mean the insitution is legitimate; quite the contrary the fact they must be confronted is evidence of their illegitimacy. The strategy is about damage control ; minimalizing damage while maximizing impact.

If we let them entrench their institutions in the "watan" we just end up their colony/proxy. If we confront their institutions on their territory, we stand a chance of permanently having sustainable liberation and break their imperialism globally. People who make an outcry against that say stuff like "we just want what people have here in the watan"; without getting too Philosophical about why this doesn't work; Let's look at what happened when America did this is in Saigon, Vietnam. They turned the entire city into a Brothel. These same people talk red herring regarding some mythological image of Pashtun girls being put in harems as a scare tactic; but a very very REAL outcome if their plan went through, and would turn the Ghairati Pashtun Watan into a Sex Tourist destination courtesy to please European and Americans(aka British Raj and son) of their eastern fetishism. So we know all that talk is disingenuous. Hence you see the same so called "Pakistani Ultra Nationalists" try to persuade Pashtuns to become morally loose when it comes to women by calling it freedom and equality so they can set the condition ripe to cultivate a sex tourism industry where Pashtun women become the main commodity.

The argument from the platform to "get back at pakistan" is completely bogus and a smokescreen. I think we all unanimously agree Pakistan is really the brainchild of the British colonialist powers, as are most boundaries and dividing lines in Asia and the Middle East. It would only make sense that those problems we see in Asia and Middle East today arrive from those manufactured demarcations to divide and rule and stir animosity and conflict. By playing along with this divide and rule scheme we only allow the West to constantly manipulate us as proxies to fight and die for their interests. They're doing it in Iraq, first they propped up Arab Fascists against Kurds, now they're propping up Kurdish Fascists against Arabs. That's what they're doing in Watan now, they propped up Punjabis to serve their agenda against Pashtuns and others, now they want to pretend to prop up Pashtuns to keep the status quo alive. All in all it serves Farangiyan in the end.

My Point being is that if we're ever going to make any real and sustainable changes for ourselves and human society as a whole we have attack the problem at the source not squabble and fight the symptoms.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hes fustrated, Just because I oppose his Arab Imperialism and his constant moaning as if he is been the only persecuted one on the planet, he resorts to calling me a Pakistani, some may not notice this, but its very insulting, he is breaking rules there, there should be no tolaration for those who divide Pashtuns, I have never said I am a Pakistani Nationalist, hes just name-calling. He is an Minority, not even a full blooded Pashtun and was born in America, he has no right to place false labels upon other Pashtuns. He assumed, all Pashtuns are going to get excited over Arabs like how Punjabis do, but I guess that is haunting him.

Oh well, who cares mara, he can call me a Pakistani all he wants, If it makes him happy.

There's nothing to be frustrated about as Arab Imperialism is a mythology created by British Orientalists; what that entails however is such an argument is a divide and rule tactic to stir animosity between Muslims of Asia to create a Self Fulfilling Prophecy. Hence Attacking the symptom and not the source. Divide and Rule as the British say. So This red herring/smokescreen you use actually confirms my claim, Pakistan is a proxy institution, by embodying the rhetoric and conceptualizations of the Briitish you hence demonstrate Pakistani Nationalism. It's not something that I say because I "like it"; it's just the logical conclusion behind your rhetoric, arguments and their inconsistencies

If anything you're accusing me of Arab Imperialism and deliberately using fabricated Arab theatrics to divert attention from the fact that You advocate Neo-Colonial Imperialism. But anyone with any logic knows that If Arab Imperialism existed, why are most Arab countries all occupied by Imperialist Powers with puppet Governments such as the Saudis just like Afghanistan and Pakistan is? Who are you trying to fool with that jargon anyways?