Pakistan & Afghanistan Summit 24-25 May

[ghundal]

You are so right...I mean if you know this, NATO has zero clue and can't hold anything over these countries?

Misplaced sarcasm. Do you think US has won?

Considering that the majority of Afghanistan is controlled by the Taliban and HIG, and not the US or its false government in Kabul, yes, the words of the US are becoming insignificant by the day. just say US, and not NATO. NATO doesn't mean anything.

Well, I guess losing in Afghanistan is an accomplishment?

[Badlun]

Ok, you tell me which organizations here are acceptable.

these organizations below are all run by expats or Pakistanis. Please research the first two to understand who they are. But don't worry, their plans have already failed. This is like a farewell party for these losers.

Governments, Independent Commissions and Trade Associations

• Pakistan National Investment Trust (NIT)
• Afghanistan Investment Support Agency (AISA)
• Pakistan Ministry of Commerce
• Afghanistan Ministry of Commerce & Industry
• Pakistan Ministry of Defence
• Afghanistan Ministry of Interior
• Earthquake Reconstruction & Rehabilitation
  Authority (ERRA)
• Pakistan & Afghanistan Chambers of
  Commerce & Industry
• Pakistan Ministry of Food, Agriculture and
  Livestock (MINFAL)

• Afghanistan Ministry of Transport & Civil Aviation
• Government of Pakistan Ministry of Water and Power
• Infrastructure Project Development Facility (IPDF)
• Afghanistan Business Council
• All Pakistan Contractors Association (APCA)
• Afghanistan Ministry of Public Works
• Pakistan Electric Power Company (PEPCO)
• Pakistan Telecommunication Authority (PTA)
• Afghanistan Ministry of Energy & Water
• Water and Power Development Authority (WAPDA)
• Pakistan Council of Renewable Energy Technologies

International Organisations

foreign pig and monkey organizations below

• International Security Assistance Force (ISAF)
• US Army Corps of Engineers (USACE)
• International Security Operations Association (ISOA)
• North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO)
• United Nations World Bank
• Asian Development Bank (ADB)
• US DoC Afghanistan Investment and Reconstruction Task Force (AIRTF)

• Overseas Private Investment Corporation
• Multilateral Investment Guarantee Agency (MIGA)
• United States Agency for International
• Development (USAID)
• Department for International Development (DFID)
• UN - Development Programme (UNDP)
• UN – HABITAT

What alternative do you have for these institutions?Even you consider UNDP. UN-HABITAT,WORLD BANK, ADB and the federal minsiteries as trash!!!!!!!

[BLS_1919v2.0]

Misplaced sarcasm. Do you think US has won?

Considering that the majority of Afghanistan is controlled by the Taliban and HIG, and not the US or its false government in Kabul, yes, the words of the US are becoming insignificant by the day. just say US, and not NATO. NATO doesn't mean anything.

Well, I guess losing in Afghanistan is an accomplishment?

I didn't say they are winning, but they are a key player still whether talibs gain 90 % of the country or 2 %. Their departure or stay changes how we look at the situation on the ground. I.e. the current government or lack of. NATO, for now, means one of the largest world institutions with a combined military force. They are by no means insignificant. I guess you need to work on your wit and comprehension skills :-).

[ghundal]

What alternative do you have for these institutions?Even you consider UNDP. UN-HABITAT,WORLD BANK, ADB and the federal minsiteries as trash!!!!!!!

China, Turkey- two nations whose economies are booming, and who actually benefit rather than exploit others. Look at China's investment in Africa. The world is changing my friend.

better relations with only nations that benefit others.

Why should Afghanistan want to be a part of a failed Capitalistic economic system? Look at their failed economies. Their dollar is finished for good. Read up on Kabul Bank fraud to see who these US and expat officials are defrauding. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

And deals with a false Afghan government whose control does not extend beyond Kabul are no deals, but means to defraud US, European taxpayers, and true international donors.

[ghundal]

I didn't say they are winning, but they are a key player still whether talibs gain 90 % of the country or 2 %. Their departure or stay changes how we look at the situation on the ground. I.e. the current government or lack of. NATO, for now, means one of the largest world institutions with a combined military force. They are by no means insignificant. I guess you need to work on your wit and comprehension skills :-).

If you are under the impression that I am engaging in wishful thinking, please correct it. I by no means am saying US (nato) is a finished army and power. A increasingly insignificant one, YES. Especially, as we see US(nato) aided Libyan rebels being defeated by Qaddafi.

US(nato) was significant years ago before they started their war with the Afghans. They had global significance during Bill Clinton's time. Now, however, especially since the US defeat in Iraq, and their failure in Afghanistan, they are becoming a thing of the past. This is parallel to the Soviets significance to the world prior to starting war with the Afghans, as well as the British before them.

As the so-called nato members are withdrawing, the US is left with no other choice, but to do the same. This is the reason why they continuously reach out for talks with the Taliban, and any talks that will happen will only revolve around their departure.

nothing else.

As for the say they have in the world? They could not protect Georgia from Russia. They could not stop Mubarak (their friend) from being deposed, and they could not stop China from shooting down their aircraft. They can't stop China from devaluing Chinese currency, and effectively, killing the dollar in the process, so much so that Russia and China have dumped the dollar when it comes to their trade relations between each other.

Much power they have? Ask yourself, why would any nation want to deal with nations whose economies have failed?

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/22/us/22iht-letter22.html

^^Read this in todays news. No country even wants their money anymore because they don't want to be linked with weak economies that will drag theirs down too

New World Order might as well be called old world order. Its done along with those ridiculous free Mason retardos.

[BLS_1919v2.0]

China, Turkey- two nations whose economies are booming, and who actually benefit rather than exploit others. Look at China's investment in Africa. The world is changing my friend.

better relations with only nations that benefit others.

Why should Afghanistan want to be a part of a failed Capitalistic economic system? Look at their failed economies. Their dollar is finished for good. Read up on Kabul Bank fraud to see who these US and expat officials are defrauding. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/29/wo...er=rss&emc=rss

And deals with a false Afghan government whose control does not extend beyond Kabul are no deals, but means to defraud US, European taxpayers, and true international donors.

Turkey is part of NATO, so I don't see why and how you are separating it. Actually NATO has continued its existence post its date. It was an institution that was based primarily on the warsaw pact of the cold war. If one would subscribe to its basic root, then it should have been dismantled. However, it has , I would say unjustifiably so, perpetuated its existence and now is a major apparatus in world affairs. It is now in Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan, Middle-East. Looks like they are keeping themselves relevant.

[ComradePashtun]

^ wishful thinking hehehe Get over nato. Nothing depends on the US, nato, or the fake government in Afghanistan. The world has recognized that they are the barrier to peace and security in Afghanistan.

US has no control over Afghanistan, why do you think India is openly talking to the Taliban, bypassing the 'government' in Kabul? WHy do you think Russia wants to open up a channel with the Taliban? WHy is Turkey warming up to the Taliban?

???

Are you sure Ghundak Khan Ghundal? Is that not a wishful thinking on your side, perhaps? Wich workd recognising what?

What you see is was to come anyhow. Russia is an important player and obviously deems is necessary to have an eye on things and crucially over Taliban. It would not tolerate them to come to power of anything. Turkey is also a player and an ideal country that could host talks. I don't understand what warming up really means for you.

[ghundal]

Turkey is part of NATO, so I don't see why and how you are separating it. Actually NATO has continued its existence post its date. It was an institution that was based primarily on the warsaw pact of the cold war. If one would subscribe to its basic root, then it should have been dismantled. However, it has , I would say unjustifiably so, perpetuated its existence and now is a major apparatus in world affairs. It is now in Libya, Balkans, Afghanistan, Middle-East. Looks like they are keeping themselves relevant.

on paper Turkey is a member of nato, but what have they done for this us alliance? Two votes in support of the Iraq war failed prior to the 2003 invasion.

They train police in Afghanistan and don't participate in combat activities.

Libya, Im afraid, well here just read this about us-nato accomplishment

Libya Fiasco Shows NATO's Uselessness - Stephen Glain (usnews.com)

enjoy

[ghundal]

Are you sure Ghundak Khan Ghundal? Is that not a wishful thinking on your side, perhaps? Wich workd recognising what?

What you see is was to come anyhow. Russia is an important player and obviously deems is necessary to have an eye on things and crucially over Taliban. It would not tolerate them to come to power of anything. Turkey is also a player and an ideal country that could host talks. I don't understand what warming up really means for you.

Russia is an old foe who understands reality, and has not fallen into the same delusions as before.

Turkey is a nation that wanted to a part of the EU, but was rejected in on the grounds of past grievances against the Ottoman Empire. Today, they do not need to be a part of the EU. Access to failed markets is not attractive at all.

I think it is a good idea for the current regime in Kabul to set up office in Turkey.

[ghundal]

I am not involved in wishful thinking. Look, they admit they are failures themselves, not only on Afghanistan, but also in regards to Libya.

American Thinker Blog: NATO admits failure in going for regime change

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135434396/new-republic-libya-could-be-natos-swan-song

Read both. Very informative.

^^ Is this a global military strategic power?

[BLS_1919v2.0]

on paper Turkey is a member of nato, but what have they done for this us alliance? Two votes in support of the Iraq war failed prior to the 2003 invasion.

They train police in Afghanistan and don't participate in combat activities.

Libya, Im afraid, well here just read this about us-nato accomplishment

Libya Fiasco Shows NATO's Uselessness - Stephen Glain (usnews.com)

enjoy

Iraq wasn't a NATO sanctioned war....none of the major NATO members went bar UK (I don't remember if Spain is one). So your point moot.
I don't know where you are getting accomplishment from, when quite frankly we don't know what these things will entail. Either they will mean someone or not. If NATO pulls out, then probably not.

[ghundal]

Iraq wasn't a NATO sanctioned war....none of the major NATO members went bar UK (I don't remember if Spain is one). So your point moot.
I don't know where you are getting accomplishment from, when quite frankly we don't know what these things will entail. Either they will mean someone or not. If NATO pulls out, then probably not.

Let makes this clear, US owns nato. nato is just a tool like the UN.

The point I made if you didn't realize is that Turkey was not a good nato ally of the us since it did not support the US war in Iraq. It did not allow use of its airspace, but Saudi Arabia did.

What type of a nato ally is Turkey to the US and Euro nations when they are engaged in their interventions?

Accomplishment? SHouldn't this superb military alliance have got rid of Qaddafi by now?
Read this

http://www.npr.org/2011/04/18/135434396/new-republic-libya-could-be-natos-swan-song

[ghundal]

anyways, lets see how this supposed summit plays out.

I think this a a farewell party for all the losers.

[faye]

let's ask these questions, why hasn't gaddafi gotten rid of gaddafi, by now?. why hasn't he looked after his people?. why hasn't he tried to negotiate with his people? why do outsiders have to come in and babysit failed states?
why are the afghan leaders failing their own people with these disgusting bank robberies?
america and the zionists want un and nato to fail so they can be the only ones in control of everybody. more depleted uranium bombings of more muslim lands, the more they like it.