dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[khyaal]

Anyone who targets personnels of Afghan Army, Afghan Police, state institutions, members of the parliament, Schools, public buildings are not Jihadis or some holy insurgensts. These are all shared afghan assests and anyone who indulges in such activities are Paki/ ISI agents.

Today it is Karzai tomorrow it will be somebody else. This all belongs to afghan nation and only Paki proxies can carry out such activities to attack state's institutions to advance Punjab's agenda of taking control of Afghanistan, the mother land of all Pashtun(afghans).

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Anyone who targets personnels of Afghan Army, Afghan Police, state institutions, members of the parliament, Schools, public buildings are not Jihadis or some holy insurgensts. These are all shared afghan assests and anyone who indulges in such activities are Paki/ ISI agents.

Today it is Karzai tomorrow it will be somebody else. This all belongs to afghan nation and only Paki proxies can carry out such activities to attack state's institutions to advance Punjab's agenda of taking control of Afghanistan, the mother land of all Pashtun(afghans).

Meaningless words to folks that, per the data I gave you, and I refuse to reproduce it here because you are wasting my time, shows you that a significant portion of southern Afghanistan views Islam as under attack. Everyone can can scroll back and see the reference, and you can do your homework and look it up. You are basically stating an opinion. Commander Dauran and his men, Afghans by birth, blood, and by locale (unlike Asfandyaar) are fighting an occupier government. Its completely mentally retarded for you to say taht if they hit someone like Gul Agha Sherzai, that they have committed a terrorist act, yet you leave the Stryker Kill Team without any rebuke.

Bottom line, is that you have only opinion as per above. History, factual data, and the true narrative are against you so you will not be taken seriously by anyone.


My predictions are as follows:

1) By the 2012 election, America will still be at war in Afghanistan. The insurgency will not abate.
2) The Pakistani confederacy is on the brink of civil disturbance because of Pakistan's own guiding hand. The feudalists and Kiyani will very soon make it apparent to their masters that they cannot continue to carry their nation toward civil war. Or in the least, they will conduct a quick, useless sweep of an operation and dispense the insurgency into broader territory.
3) PMAP/ANP will still be paying lip service and not lift a single hand to actually make Pashtun autonomy a reality.
4) The groups in 3 will, after about a decade or so more of cheering a war of attrition from the sidelines, switch their clothes for whatever entity is next involved in the great game (i.e. Pro Najib yesterday --->secularist capitalist today ---> Pro what tomorrow?) Parasites are amazing creatures when you study them... they can tack themselves onto many powers and chameleonize.

[شمله ور خراساني]

Najib was the one who use to fire SCUDD missiles to massacre the people of Khost, Paktia, Logar, Kunar, Nangarhar and Wardak.

And today communist dogs and Pashtun Nationalist praise him and consider him as a hero. While in fact he is responsible for the annihilation of many villages where entire population were wiped out with Russian SCUDD missiles used on his command.

[Fahd]

those who prise him were living in cities and having the same fun he had !!

he's mordagawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww again and again

[unknownprince]

Anyone who targets personnels of Afghan Army, Afghan Police, state institutions, members of the parliament, Schools, public buildings are not Jihadis or some holy insurgensts. These are all shared afghan assests and anyone who indulges in such activities are Paki/ ISI agents.

Today it is Karzai tomorrow it will be somebody else. This all belongs to afghan nation and only Paki proxies can carry out such activities to attack state's institutions to advance Punjab's agenda of taking control of Afghanistan, the mother land of all Pashtun(afghans).

Here is the translation for the following list: Northern Alliance/puppet army, NDS, prisons, agents of the foreigners, and the school part is a joke.

these are not shared Afghan assets, NO, not mansions in Kabul belonging to foreign agents.

[khushal]

This is why we should never have given Russia that much time and space on our soil in first place, which mistake we had made already. Looking at Russian history we knew they didn't give a damn about how many lives they lost, but as soon as they were given a position in a country it was best not to make things worse.

That's why one needs to try to make things as less horrific as possible, take Tajikistan and Uzbekistan as an example. We ourselves made ourselves occupied, last thing we should be doing in such cases is attack them on the very same soil we invited them on.


Even if I have to believe the stories I got to hear personally, women were most vulnerable during Mujahideen era. I don't even have to post whatever links for it, millions of sources on-line claim the same, as well as the stories I heard during my stay in Afghanistan. The stories weren't pleasant, at all.


Brother, I am not a fool not to believe Russia never committed any rape, I am not living in such a huge denial. Rape has been taking place ever since the war started, women are crying tears of blood ever since the war started. My actual point was regarding the claim you made that Najibullah encouraged the Russians to rape women, urinate on them and what not. I don't know how many links you can show that Najibullah himself or his men committed rape (or encouraged others to), but those for Mujahideen are in millions.
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You only have one side of the story, and that side is exaggerated. During the Soviet occupation (just like in todays NATO occupation) most of the brutalities were happening in rural Afghanistan, and during the majahadeen civil war, most of the brutalities were happening in urban areas. When you say it was worse during majahadeen times, you are basically neglecting the attrocities that were happening in rural Afghanistan, and remember 90% of the people lived in rural areas during the 80' and 90's. My whole village was flattened to the ground by the Soviets, do you believe my village is any less important than Kabul.

You are contradicting yourself, first you state occupation, then you state invitation regarding the relationship between the Soviets and Afghanistan. How can it be an invitation when the masses rebelled against this so called "invitation" and this "invitation" or "guests" were repelled. No one in my village invited the Soviets.

You seem to believe the afghan government had control over soviet forces by saying "we should never have given Russia that much time and space on our soil in first place." The decision to have Soviet troops enter Afghanistan and leave Afghanistan was made at the Kremlin not in Kabul.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Exactly most of the people who support Najib appear to be from privieleged background and not from the common people of the villages and tribes. Even their ideals are alien to the Afghan heartland and traditional afghan society. This doesn't discredit their points but it definitrely points to vested interests. It seems that Najib's actions only helped privileged people who benefitted from collaborating with the Russians.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Moreover, you commit a lot of personal attacks for someone who is self-declared perfectly logical. Lose the personal attacks or lose the discussion. Your choice. Here is a hint when you are making your decision: ever thought that it might be you who is flawed and has lapses in judgment? Just a suggestion.

You're right I do attack you personally BUT then I add it with a logical rebuttal; as long as I am rebutting your points; degrading you openly is acceptable. What's illogical is to use that as the "reasoning". I don't do that.

But as long as I show why you're logically wrong, I can call you an idiot too. It's perfectly legal in logical discourse, although may not be encouraged.

[khushal]

Anyone who targets personnels of Afghan Army, Afghan Police, state institutions, members of the parliament, Schools, public buildings are not Jihadis or some holy insurgensts. These are all shared afghan assests and anyone who indulges in such activities are Paki/ ISI agents.

Today it is Karzai tomorrow it will be somebody else. This all belongs to afghan nation and only Paki proxies can carry out such activities to attack state's institutions to advance Punjab's agenda of taking control of Afghanistan, the mother land of all Pashtun(afghans).

Say what you believe, but that is not what the average afghan believe. The ANA, Afghan Police, Members of parliament etc are not representatives of the afghan people and they do not work for the afghan peoples interests. Unless the afghan people are represented and their interests represented, those people that wish to be represented will target those institutions that work against their interests.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Look Barakzai! Your are setting in the West and mostly rely on your conjectures and media reports of which you selectively prepare material which could suit your opinion making strategy but all these seem fabricated once you come here meet the people on the ground and look at the tactics of the sponsored insurgency.

Don't tell me any thing about Sun Tzu's Art of War. I won't get impressed by borrowed terminologies and the mention of mystifying alien personalities.

Pashtun in the past have made many insurgencies against the British in the British occupied afghan land now part of Pakistan. But I'm sure you don't know much about that. Even though the war technology was not that sophisticated at that time, Pashtuns still could not defeat the British due to the lack of financial and military support and lack of coordination which resulted in their complete subjugation to the British. So we know that it is not an insurgency, it is actually a proxy war aganisnt afghan state. The real advantage which the enemy has got is the contiguity of the occupied pashtun land which can not be completely cordoned off due to Pashtun population on both sides. This actually provides Punjab and ample opportunity of to take an edge in this war agaisnt afghan nation.

Another thing, you can't explain to me the presence of Qaami Lashkar in all the tribal belts against these sponsred insurgents. In Swat the same happened when just a few hundred terrorists took control of the whole of Swat and Malakand division. But you seem to totally unaware of it.

What we believe is that the enemies of afghanistan won't spare any person who could play the pivotal role in afghanistan stability and its bringing back to normalcy. The opposition of the Western media at the time of the elections and the winning of Karzai Saib is an ample proof of his popularity and credibility on his leadership. Enemies will anyway malign angles who rule afghanistan and try to be independent from Paki influence.

The same argument you're using here against Barakzai can be similarly applied towards you. You are merely peddling material on the basis of hear say and what appears to be on the false premise that just because Najib went against Pakistan; it means he was doing it for Afghanistan's sake.

Muhammad Hassan Kakar writes that Najib and the organization he ran had no independent directives or decisions; they had to take orders directly from Moscow and were essentially supervised on every level by Higher Level Russian Officers who they were required to report to . Lol so much for Afghan independence? lol


I know the your typical ready-made response in the face of Strong Evidence is that Dr. Kakar is some covert ISI agent. But that would be ludicrous because he has just as much literature exposing the ISI-Taliban-Mujahideen Nexus as he does the najib-soviet-imperial nexus.

He was a Professor at Kabul University; he has a qualified account on the whole situation. He was there.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=m+has...865008f87fbb9c


Angels who "rule Afghanistan", opposing Pakistan does not automatically mean serving Afghanistan; that is simply a logical fallacy because it assumes that the opposite if automatically true. Najib was under direct instructions and was mandated by Russia to do what he was doing; not exactly a "Watandar" as you would like to portray. People who are maligning him are not doing so because they favor Pakistan; they do so because that is what the evidence that we have reveals. Sooner or later you will have to abandon the Pakistan/ISI scapegoat for everything and just admit, Najib was even more of a sell out than the Mujahideen were.

Comparing the Historic Pashtun wars with the British with the Modern Mechanized Russian Battle is an illogical comparison. The current Afghan State, is not Afghan created anyways it is essentially a puppet Government, no matter how Noble it appears. The entire electoral process, is made by the same Western society who's media you attempt at disparaging. Now you're right there is a lot of the insurgency which is purely for Pakistan's ISI incitation; but there is a lot of legitimate insurgency. It's just like the 90's you had many insurgents funded by the ISI, but not all of them were in line with the ISI's geopolitical scope. Many were just funded but were completely independent administratively and in practice. Many, like Hekmatyar were not. the current matrix of the Afghan insurgency is complex; but just because there are those who collaborate with the ISI, doesn't make the whole insurgency illegitate nor does it make the Puppet Government legit.


The opposition of Western media is proof? The Western Media didn't oppose him; they only highlighted that there was corruption in his election; the West built the electoral system by which he was elected; so this false dichotomy you create is simply ludicrous. How would the Western Media opposing him prove he's legit when the West created his government?!?!?!

Also albiet I'm not a suppporter of the Talibam the "Qami Lashkar" are also supported by the Pakistan.

[khushal]

So you know me for quite some time but you have very few posts in the forum. BTW, what was your previous nick? Why do you always need to change your nick? To dupe people with your new appearance? Anyway I won't reply to your BS.

You wont reply because you cant reply. The ISI is not more powerful nor more influential than NATO. If you believe that than you are in lala land and I suggest you get out. NATO is losing not because the ISI is some powerful force that is more powerful than the soviet union and everything else in this planet. NATO is losing because simply they(just like the soviets) are fighting against the people of Afghanistan, and when you are fighting the people it is impossible to win.

Here is former national security adviser stating that the soviets were fighting the afghan people and so is NATO. NATO is not fighting the ISI.
YouTube - Ex-US security adviser on Afghan war - 17 Oct 09

When your stating that the ISI is defeating NATO in Afghanistan is like saying the ARABS defeated the SOVIETS in Afghanistan. Both are naive statements at best and are discrediting the WILL OF THE AFGHAN which is known to all empires.

[fzpz]

Dangit, I almost appreciated the larger-than-life characterization of the isi here. Blowing it out of proportion actually helps Pakistan.