dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[ScimitarXEdge]

Nope, because Pakistan is using Islam to get Pashtun against each other. Najib knew how to play the game.

Just because Pakistan uses it, doesnt mean it's illegitimate

so if people misuse science to pollute the Earth and destroy nature, that means science is invalid?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

No; you just ran out of brain; you were running thin the first place though.

Did you know that when a dog barks you don't question why it barked. You think: it is a dog. When a person is indecent and keeps resorting to insults, you think: he is indecent.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

That is the problem when you mix religion and politics. Religion is used for politic gains. Pakistan is going to continue this until we find another Najib.

Well I see this is a foolish approach to breaking an algorithm. It appears that the typical ANP jargon is to dismiss religiosity instead of reading and understanding local history, which is why the consistently fail and have to morph into a new parasitic form. The greatest danger and thread to Pakistan's integrity and to all comers is not religiosity my friend... religiosity is a gun that can be aimed.

Imagine a new algorithm where religiosity and nationalism combined and the parties were instead attack the notion that justice based nationalism cannot be configured into religious goals.

In such a situation, the obligation of religious partakers is to destroy not only NATO hegemony but the panjab nexus as well. Turn the gun in two directions if possible, and I think it is. A recent report to parliament in Britian warned that if the religious groups were to harnass a nationalistic Pashtun sentiment they would be lethal to Pakistani interests as well. I tend to see that as a logical conclusion. Remember, Ahmad Shah Abdali actually seized fatwas from Shah Waliullah to attack whome? DELHI. That was his genius... resurrect his way and you can win.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Did you know that when a dog barks you don't question why it barked. You think: it is a dog. When a person is indecent and keeps resorting to insults, you think: he is indecent.

so you're teling me you're indecent? I knew this already, but thanks for the memo.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Just because Pakistan uses it, doesnt mean it's illegitimate

so if people misuse science to pollute the Earth and destroy nature, that means science is invalid?

Tell me, when did a mixture politics and religions work?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Tell me, when did a mixture politics and religions work?

It never worked

because Islam isn't a religion. It's a system of life; Islam worked because it was in balance with nature and therefore could govern people properly.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

so you're teling me you're indecent? I knew this already, but thanks for the memo.

Iz ok....logic is not your forte.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

It never worked

because Islam isn't a religion. It's a system of life; Islam worked because it was in balance with nature and therefore could govern people properly.

What do you propose?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Iz ok....logic is not your forte.

copying me now , the problem is you're a poor imitation because you dont understand the nuances of how to apply logic. It's based on certain operations that you clearly have no knowledge of.

[ScimitarXEdge]

What do you propose?

Islam.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

It doesn't need rocket science to understand the coonection between TTP and Afghan insurgency...The fundamental question one should ask one's self is what would be the consequences for Pakistan if an effective operation is carried out in Waziristan...

The logical consequence would be, Haqqanis and other asset of the Punjabi establishment wouldn't find any base and regrouping/training ground and the insurgency will collapse....In fact, the TTP and the so-called uncontrollability of tribal people provides the Punjabi establishment a measure of deniability and implausibility....It is a perfect strategy....

They have been doing this vis-a-vis Kashmir....

Well once again perhaps. The issue is whether the Afghan insurgency has a moral imperitive, which I believe it does. From my end, I could care less about Pakistan and whether it internally destabilizes per its double game. My actual but prior unstead hope is that religiousity and Pashtun nationalism aligns (not with ANP adopting some sort of religious sloganeering because they are too far gone drunkards, sycophants, and generally inept peopl)... but rather the Pashtun insurgents decide to continue and eventually escalate against the Panjab after winning in Afghanistan.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Islam.

Whose version?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Gotta jet....see you guys. Wassalam

[ScimitarXEdge]

Whose version?

There's no versions of Islam; Islam is Islam, if you believe there are versions then you dont believe in Islam.

[khyaal]

Well just as Meem is arguing that Najib did all he could to maintain his power paradigm... Pakistan is going to do whatever it takes to sustain its own foothold and national integrity. That is why these discussions really degenerate. Moral standards and rationalization of ridiculous actions ought to be applied equally and across the board (i.e. Najibs idiocy cannot simply be dismissed while Pakistan stands harangued). Once one seizes upon reality, much more can be accomplished by seeing the world as it is and not as one wants it to be. The bottom line is that Pakistan and other local nations will continue to implement any means necessary to maintain territorial integrity. Instead of lecturing history and debating nonsense with them saying "hey, by the way, about that KP region... wanna give it back?" We would do much better to understand the logistics and build up our own resources under true independence from all comers.

What territorial integrity to maintain? Pakistan is expanding its tentacles to grab afghanistan also besides the occupation of Pashtun Baloch historic lands which were not part of indian subcontinent.