dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[ScimitarXEdge]

Your fallacy is your numbers game. Get over it and you might see some light.

Then how else do we measure how bad someone is?

how is the numbers game false ....explain which fallacy I commit here?

[graveyardofempires]

Slain by ISI because he had become too explicit about Taleban and ISI's secret connections.

you just want what you believe to be true.


btw why did they blow up that isi base?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Once again the crimes I referenced are in my first post and are from a reliable source that Shayesta requested. What more do you call force than that? The rural countryside resisted the Soviet presence and experieced severe rebuke in the form of fire from above and below and murder from the left and the right.

My family is much more reliable. I have friends who lived in his time. The rest of your post is not much different than what any ruler would do to maintain power.

Look at the irony, people hate to live in Muslim countries today. Why? Because they all do the same. The West have internal justice which prevents them from exploiting power, otherwise they would do it as well. Just look at their foreign policies.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

When Muhammad(saw) was fleeing Makkah with Abu Bakr(ra) and they hid in the cave; was he living in fear and "concerned with his own livelihood"? or was there another reason?

Hey they left. Period. What are you still doing there? That is the question.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Then how else do we measure how bad someone is?

how is the numbers game false ....explain which fallacy I commit here?

So, if someone murdered you, would it only affect your mother if they killed 1499000 more?

[ScimitarXEdge]

My friends family said in Qandahar, The Soviets with KHaD personell used to humilate the men and discourage them to fight the Russians; they'd take the man;s daughters and rape them in front of his eyes.

So you're right family accounts are reliable sources.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

My friends family said in Qandahar, The Soviets with KHaD personell used to humilate the men and discourage them to fight the Russians; they'd take the man;s daughters and rape them in front of his eyes.

So you're right family accounts are reliable sources.

Yep, I probably believe you. Why? Because his only strong hold was Kabul. But do you know that Americans are doing the same thing. So, get off this Soviet card that you keep throwing down, whether it is directly or indirectly.

[khyaal]

As I have stated, one has to reconcile TTP activities against military and ISI installations in the Panjab versus your proposed connection. The differential diagnosis remains wide open my compadre.

That is a very marginal collateral damage of the proxy Punjabi war against afghanistan. Apart from that most of the affectees are Pashtun/afghans of Pakhtunkhwa and not Punjabis.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Hey they left. Period. What are you still doing there? That is the question.

You keep switching the topic and I also answered the question yesterday, 3 times.

And Actually at that time; they came back to Makkah , remember the story of the Cave was before Hijrah.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Your fallacy is your numbers game. Get over it and you might see some light.

Well to distill this 20 sum page thread into the pertinents questions, they are as follows:

1) Was Najib an agent of the USSR. I think the evidences speaks to that effect.

2) The Taliban versus the Muj factions versus the Communists versus the Monarchy versus Karzai.... who best represents the population of Afghanistan?

3) To what levels are/were the players in 2 imposed and by who?

4) Does the possibility exist that someone one dislikes (e.g. Iran or Pakistan or Saudi) backed a movement that was the most representative of the rural Afghan? Why does that particular group get more maligned by the children of Parcham loyalists than Mr. Karzai if the guiding hand behind both was supposedly the same?

For example:
If the chain of responsiblity for the Taliban is as follows:
US funding/support --> Panjab catalyst ---> Taliban secures foothold

versus the same lead link in the chain:
US funding/support --> NATO forces --> Karzai secures a foothold only in Kabul

Doesnt this speak to a logical fallacy in your argument? On the one hand the former movement secured a sure foothold across the swathe of Pashtun lands... yet Karzais writ barely exists outside of Kabul despite intense NATO pressure. One might surmise Pakistan as the wild card... but that is cop out

Moreover, if one disregards the Islamist doctrines, even then your own doctrine enables them to fight the Karzai regime because the lead link in the chain is exactly the same.

So it is you that has to reconcile the imposition of the oligarchial and effeminate Karzai who fled his country in its time of need alongside the other elite and tribal maliks with mud bathes in Italy.

[ScimitarXEdge]

Yep, I probably believe you. Why? Because his only strong hold was Kabul.

But this was when he was in KHaD and he was leader of KHaD not president of Afghanistan.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

That is a very marginal collateral damage of the proxy Punjabi war against afghanistan. Apart from that most of the affectees are Pashtun/afghans of Pakhtunkhwa and not Punjabis.

The hit installations of ISI/military bases are in Panjab. Police Chief Ghayur dieing in some Peshawar suburb is merely an example of the local Pakistani loyalist axis being hit. So your argument is still not based on evidence.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

You keep switching the topic and I also answered the question yesterday, 3 times.

And Actually at that time; they came back to Makkah , remember the story of the Cave was before Hijrah.

They never came back. There was a bounty on his head. He went straight to Madina. He only returned after Fath-e Makkah.

[ScimitarXEdge]

I'm sorry , correction the Cave incident was AFTER hijrah in Madinah, where they STAYED. after Hijrah. that debunks Meemwaws argument.

[ScimitarXEdge]

They never came back. There was a bounty on his head. He went straight to Madina. He only returned after Fath-e Makkah.

Actually; the story was presented inaccurately; It happened while he was staying in Madinah; and he ended up going back to Madinah. By the way Fath Al Makkah means they had an uprising against Makkah, I thought uprisings are against Islam?