dr najeeb speech on shah nawaz tanai

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

than why do you take a british puppy who was anti Afghan as a prophet,jesus,mariam and massiah.

btw do you believe Pashtuns are jins?

You are misinformed. Inform yourself and then reconstruct your question.

[ScimitarXEdge]

There you go again. Why are you happy to live in a country that is slaughtering your people. You are so flawed when it comes to your numbers game.

Is 1 Pashtun life okay, but 1500000 is not?

Because living in a country; and participating, supporting the actions are different things. So you admit , that America is imperialistic and slaughtering Afghans?

If that life is the life of a criminal. then yes it's ok. God didn't make any such thing as Holy Races, being Pashtun doesnt mean you're free of penalty for crimes.

[graveyardofempires]

meemwawnoon

why are dodging the question.
why do you take a british agent who called pashtuns jins cuz they were resisting british occupation as a prophet?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Will talk to you later about it. I have to go to the wards... am on call tonight at the hospital. But as a physician I detest Najib resorting to killing because he flagrantly violated the hippocratic oath. The other issue that I have noted is that it is usually incompetent people in their own fields (engineers and doctors) that have to go purely into politics. The example of Howard Dean comes to mind. Folks like Ron Paul taht continue to practice and have long decorated career in medicine deserve the title doctor. In our areas, folks like Achekzai (a failed engineer) and Najib (a failed physician) are examples of this paradigm in action.

I agree with what you have stated.

This is the first time I am having a conversation with you, and I must say: thank you for being civil. I like your clear thinking.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

meemwawnoon

why are dodging the question.
why do you take a british agent who called pashtuns jins cuz they were resisting british occupation as a prophet?

Inform yourself. You are wrong.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

There you go again. Why are you happy to live in a country that is slaughtering your people. You are so flawed when it comes to your numbers game.

Is 1 Pashtun life okay, but 1500000 is not?

The Prophet lived in Mecca. Living in a place does not absolve one of beign conscientious about right versus wrong. There are many Americans like Mike Scheuer and Ron Paul that ardently disagree with America's tactics. Scheuer referred to the desire to impose an alien system on a people as an almost criminal act when viewing the founding father's prescriptions and regimens for good governance (it runs counter). In fact John Adams said that he was the well wisher to all freedom based struggles but wished the US to not partake lest it become the world's dictatoress. Does that make him a hypocrit as he knew that these revolutions would be armed?

[graveyardofempires]

Inform yourself. You are wrong.

ok

inform me ,what have i got wrong?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Inform yourself. You are wrong.

are you saying that Qadiyani wasnt in line with the British?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Here's a question for MeemWawMeemNooonAlifLamSheenAlifTawAlifNoon


can an Afghan living in Pakistan condemn the actions of Pakistan while living in Pakistan?

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

Because living in a country; and participating, supporting the actions are different things. So you admit , that America is imperialistic and slaughtering Afghans?

Of course, no ifs or buts about them. I don't like what they are doing. In fact, I am disappointed that Canada is leading the way in Libya.

The point that I have been trying to make the whole time is that you are picking on one evil person, yet exonerating the rest.

All I am saying is that Dr. Najib was a truly good leader. He made a lot of mistakes...A LOT...but so did the rest. However, he did have a plan. The rest were just being dictated by the West, that is why they would never come to terms with him.

1992-1996 could have been prevented.
The Taliban were part of the "plan." Pakistan knew exactly what they were doing. Getting rid of Najib is the reason why Afghanistan is in this state today. If 1992-1996 did not happen, the 'Mujahideen" would have never killed any civilians. They would have forever remained heroes. However, their true colours showed. Had the Taliban (another puppet) not stepped in you would have seen numbers way past 1500000.

[graveyardofempires]

Of course, no ifs or buts about them. I don't like what they are doing. In fact, I am disappointed that Canada is leading the way in Libya.

The point that I have been trying to make the whole time is that you are picking on one evil person, yet exonerating the rest.

All I am saying is that Dr. Najib was a truly good leader. He made a lot of mistakes...A LOT...but so did the rest. However, he did have a plan. The rest were just being dictated by the West, that is why they would never come to terms with him.

1992-1996 could have been prevented.
The Taliban were part of the "plan." Pakistan knew exactly what they were doing. Getting rid of Najib is the reason why Afghanistan is in this state today. If 1992-1996 did not happen the 'Mujahideen" would have never killed any civilians. They would have forever remained heroes. However, they true colours showed. Had the Taliban (another puppet) not stepped in your would have seen numbers way past 1500000.

before we take your ridiculous comment into consideration.

can you tell me what i got wrong,or hwo am i ill informed?

i said why do you take a british agent who was calling pashtun JINS as a prophet?

and hwo can you be qadiani(believeing in a punjabi "prophet")and call yourself afghan and even wave the colours?

[ScimitarXEdge]

Of course, no ifs or buts about them. I don't like what they are doing. In fact, I am disappointed that Canada is leading the way in Libya.

The point that I have been trying to make the whole time is that you are picking on one evil person, yet exhortation the rest.

All I am saying is that Dr. Najib was a truly good leader. He made a lot of mistakes...A LOT...but so did the rest. However, he did have a plan. The rest were just being dictated by the West, that is why they would never come to terms with him.

1992-1996 could have been prevented.
The Taliban were part of the "plan." Pakistan knew exactly what they were doing. Getting rid of Najib is the reason why Afghanistan is in this state today. If 1992-1996 did not happen the 'Mujahideen" would have never killed any civilians. They would have forever remained heroes. However, they true colours showed. Had the Taliban (another puppet) not stepped in your would have seen numbers way past 1500000.

Well Look at the title of the thread?


Please your argument is circular; Najib helped to kill 1.5 Million Afghans, imagine the amount of general infrastructural destruction it would have created to kill 1.5 Million over 100,000. You act like things weren't already a mess. That would just be logically impossible given the magnitude of the Soviet Attrition and Najib's collaboration.

We can speculate about what would have happened; but Najib did the most damage.

you're nuts he was a truly good leader for allowing Russia to treat Afghanistan like it's property and kill and rape his own countrymen? You have some warped standards.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Of course, no ifs or buts about them. I don't like what they are doing. In fact, I am disappointed that Canada is leading the way in Libya.

The point that I have been trying to make the whole time is that you are picking on one evil person, yet exonerating the rest.

All I am saying is that Dr. Najib was a truly good leader. He made a lot of mistakes...A LOT...but so did the rest. However, he did have a plan. The rest were just being dictated by the West, that is why they would never come to terms with him.

1992-1996 could have been prevented.
The Taliban were part of the "plan." Pakistan knew exactly what they were doing. Getting rid of Najib is the reason why Afghanistan is in this state today. If 1992-1996 did not happen, the 'Mujahideen" would have never killed any civilians. They would have forever remained heroes. However, their true colours showed. Had the Taliban (another puppet) not stepped in you would have seen numbers way past 1500000.

Once again this is historically in accurate, per dr. Scheuer:

"While the assertion that Washington and the West Abandoned the Afghans after the Soviet withdrawal is now accepted as fact, it is an fact entirely inaccurate. From the exit of the last Red Army trooper in 1989 until well after the Afghan communists' defeat in 1992, the United States, Britain, Germany, and the UN worked diligently to install a regime in Kabul that would include representatives of all Afghan groups-- so long as they were not Islamists and had not fought and bled to drive out the USSR. At one point, for example, Washington had three diplomats of ambassadorial rank and one special envoy--Peter Tomsen, Robert Oakley, Phyllis Oakley, and Zalmay Khalilzad--working to produce a regime that would include sophisticated, English speaking, secular Afghans, Afghan technocrats; former communists--even former Afghan communist president Najibullah; supporters of the deposted Afghan king and Afghans who had spent the war making money in America, Europe, Iran, and India. In other words, the West was ready to consider anyone save those who had carried AK47s and killed Soviets. Indeed, a major reason a post Soviet Afghan civil war began was because those who had fought saw their hard-won right to rule being haded by Westerners to Afghans who were nominal Muslims and who had chosen to sit out the war."

[khyaal]

Dr Najibullah was a true Afghan patriot that tried to mainatain Afghanistan's sovereignty with his life unlike the Jehadi savages/barbarians who pludered and conquered their own country for others and in the process killed millions of Afghans and caused millions more to flee and pass a life of humuliation and indignity on foreign land...After the fall of Dr Najib in 1992, Afghanistan truly became a fiefdom of topak salaran ...

When one crosses Attok, just two or three miles ahead to the right of road (on the Punjab side) and near the flour-traficking checkpost, there is a huge mansion owned by one Naeem Kochai who was a Taleb and an ISI agent...It had been given to him for his loyalty to Punjabistan.

Many are still working for them to extend Punjabistan's hegemony to afghanistan.

[MeemWawMeemNoon]

The Prophet lived in Mecca. Living in a place does not absolve one of beign conscientious about right versus wrong. There are many Americans like Mike Scheuer and Ron Paul that ardently disagree with America's tactics. Scheuer referred to the desire to impose an alien system on a people as an almost criminal act when viewing the founding father's prescriptions and regimens for good governance (it runs counter). In fact John Adams said that he was the well wisher to all freedom based struggles but wished the US to not partake lest it become the world's dictatoress. Does that make him a hypocrit as he knew that these revolutions would be armed?

So, is jihad against the US valid?