Ethnic discrimination infests Afghan army; Dawn news

[MostafaM]

You want links?

Like the internet link that you provided with 0% relation to our topic?

There aren't any online sources as far as I know that lists the officers, their ranks and their ethnicities from 1945 to 1979.

I can understand your Setami rantings and your fear of "Pashtunization" but unfortunatly you fell the Setami rhetorics of your father.

Non-Pashtuns were involved in the army and were as patriotic as Pashtuns were.

Your arguements that the numbers were so low etc. are twisted and idiotic claims. 200 generals serve today in the Army?
I am not surprised......they have to give these NA-Besewad idiots ranks.

In a normal military, only division, battalion or chorps commanders, operational chiefs, chiefs of staff and leading personal in finances, education, construction and heads of departments were generals.

There weren't that many generals as today, my Khadist friend.

[MostafaM]

I refuted this arguement by naming the generals I did.

"....Pure BS! During the 60s and 70s every officer had to be a Pashtun. Non-Pashtuns had to adopte a fake identity...."


Your books don't mention anything about the topic we talk about:

the ethnic composition of the higher ranks of the Army.


Stay stupid!

[NokiaWnW]

I refuted this arguement by naming the generals I did.

"....Pure BS! During the 60s and 70s every officer had to be a Pashtun. Non-Pashtuns had to adopte a fake identity...."


Your books don't mention anything about the topic we talk about:

the ethnic composition of the higher ranks of the Army.


Stay stupid!

You change the topics, my friend hahahaha I ASK YOU AGAIN

1. Provide me the link, the book, the page you got those names

2. Funny you reject those references hahaha because they reject your fake claim? Come on, noone knows better except you that those names are your own inventions

[MostafaM]

LOL

Atleast the father of your superhero Karmal, Hussain Khan, who was not a Pashtun, is right in the list. You should have known that!

The books about the military history of Afghanistan are written like

http://www.amazon.com/Afghanistan-Military-History-Alexander-Taliban/dp/0306811642

In Breshnas book many names, speciall that of Faiz Mohammad Khan are mentioned several times.

http://books.google.de/books?id=jdDP...0Jahre&f=false


Your Parcham rhetorics were refuted.

Being myself from a family of career officers for four generations now, I know what I am talking about.
I guy, who doesn't know the Head of the Military School or the Division Commanders of Afghanistan, shouldn't get involved in historical debates about the current topic:

ethnic composition of the army!!

[NokiaWnW]

LOL

Atleast the father of your superhero Karmal, Hussain Khan, who was not a Pashtun, is right in the list. You should have known that!

The books about the military history of Afghanistan are written like

http://www.amazon.com/Afghanistan-Military-History-Alexander-Taliban/dp/0306811642

In Breshnas book many names, speciall that of Faiz Mohammad Khan are mentioned several times.

http://books.google.de/books?id=jdDP...0Jahre&f=false


Your Parcham rhetorics were refuted.

Being myself from a family of career officers for four generations now, I know what I am talking about.
I guy, who doesn't know the Head of the Military School or the Division Commanders of Afghanistan, shouldn't get involved in historical debates about the current topic:

ethnic composition of the army!!

What kind of a game is that? AS I MENTIONED BEFORE WITH THE POWERGRIPPING OF PARCHAM NON-PASHTUNS TOOK THEIR PER CENTAGUAL PLACES AND REDUCED PASHTUN INFLUENCE IN THE ARMY but Karmal´s history begins with the Parchams. You add here two ''references'' without giving us here the page or the phrases... hahahahaha not everyone is a dumb like you! And what do you try by calling me khadist or communist or whatever? That my comments get ignored or don´t get counted? Is this how your mice intelligence works? loser (sorry)

Ps: Karmals father was a police officer .. one of those minorities in the army and police... WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PROVE US HERE? I never wrote there were never non-Pashtuns in the army or police. Stop plying here a double and fake game.


This is what I get in the book typing Faiz Mohammad (who was not a general, you uneducated monkey, but a Hazara historian) http://books.google.de/books?id=jdDP...20Khan&f=false

[IamDZJ]

Where there is poverty, there will be corruption..


People might be reluctant to have their children participate in a war that they dont believe in but I think if serving in the army was made mandatory for every afghan man (teehee hee) , we wouldn't have this lousy issue to deal with. Maybe people would start caring and stop cheating each other and be more motivated because their children or family members are involved. They end up dying miserable deaths anyways. Nobody would be complaining or blaming each other. Because with all due respect, all we ever do is point fingers at each other.

[MostafaM]

"...Karmal was born Sultan Hussein on 6 January 1929, was the son of Muhammad Hussein Khan, a Major General in the Afghan Army and former governor of the province of Paktia, and was the second of five siblings..."

Clements, Frank (2003). Conflict in Afghanistan: a Historical Encyclopedia. ABC-CLIO. p. 141. ISBN 9781851094028.

Arnold, Anthony (1983). Afghanistan's Two-party Communism: Parcham and Khalq. Hoover Press. p. 19. ISBN 9780817977924.




Dude,

Karmals father was a colleague of my grandfather. They worked together at the Ministry of Defence.

Stop being ridiculous!

[NokiaWnW]

"...Karmal was born Sultan Hussein on 6 January 1929, was the son of Muhammad Hussein Khan, a Major General in the Afghan Army and former governor of the province of Paktia, and was the second of five siblings..."

Clements, Frank (2003). Conflict in Afghanistan: a Historical Encyclopedia. ABC-CLIO. p. 141. ISBN 9781851094028.

Arnold, Anthony (1983). Afghanistan's Two-party Communism: Parcham and Khalq. Hoover Press. p. 19. ISBN 9780817977924.




Dude,

Karmals father was a colleague of my grandfather. They worked together at the Ministry of Defence.

Stop being ridiculous!

Boy, don´t twist words! Noone said that Karmal´s father was not a Pashtun or a Tajik.. in fact, it is not sure who Karmal really was. Now show me where your source states he was a Tajik or Hazara or Uzbek ...the same for Faiz Mohammad, please .... and stop bluffing like a Paki. Provide us the ethnicity part!!!!!!! Hard to understand?

[MostafaM]

You just said he was in the Police Force. LOL

Now that I show you two sources that claim he was in the Army, you deny that?

Of course he was not a Pashtun.

He was a Farsizaban, from Kamari Kabul.

Their ancestors were from modern day Kashmir.


You are a liar and are fabricating fake stories here.

Believe me, your Parcham/Khalq-rhetorics didn't work in the old days, forget about today.

You are misinformed to the core!

[MostafaM]

Pure BS! During the 60s and 70s every officer had to be a Pashtun. Non-Pashtuns had to adopte a fake identity

'

These are your claims and you cannot back them up with any source where it's clearly stated how many officers were Pashtun and how many non-Pashtun.

You claimed, every officer HAD TO BE Pashtun.

That's a clear fabricated lie and I refuted you with the list!

I am pretty sure here many people who's grandfathers, fathers and uncles served in the military.....let them ask their families if these names are familiar to them.

[Amir al Ghaznavi]

lol Mostafa shut this dude down

[NokiaWnW]

These are your claims and you cannot back them up with any source where it's clearly stated how many officers were Pashtun and how many non-Pashtun.

You claimed, every officer HAD TO BE Pashtun.

That's a clear fabricated lie and I refuted you with the list!

I am pretty sure here many people who's grandfathers, fathers and uncles served in the military.....let them ask their families if these names are familiar to them.

My source are there.. where are your sources?? And why are you fixed on Karmal? Provide links and references to your claims and a source for your list.

@Ghaznavi

He can not provide evidences .. how can he? He is a clown.

[MostafaM]

lol Mostafa shut this dude down

I don't know why these PDPA-stooges still have the nerves to praise their Karmal Era as the time of enlightenment, equality and freedom.

Setami rhetorics are getting old and confronting these guys gets easier every day. haha

[MostafaM]

My source are there.. where are your sources?? And why are you fixed on Karmal? Provide links and references to your claims and a source for your list.

@Ghaznavi

He can not provide evidences .. how can he? He is a clown.

Said the guy who wrote this comment

Ps: Karmals father was a police officer .. one of those minorities in the army and police... WHAT DO YOU WANT TO PROVE US HERE?

You cannot provide any link that underlines your arguement with namens, ranks and ethnicity of officers.

I gave you a list from memory and you don even know one of them.
Not even Karmal's father, your superhero. LOL

[NokiaWnW]

Said the guy who wrote this comment



You cannot provide any link that underlines your arguement with namens, ranks and ethnicity of officers.

I gave you a list from memory and you don even know one of them.
Not even Karmal's father, your superhero. LOL

pleaseeeeeeeeee, provide us the list of those 99% fake names .. please! Why you ignore my demands?? Come one, give us some references