hunting anyone?

[Tor Gul]

I like hunting with my tazi & my other dog. I kill bigger animals, like deer & boar with my knife. Does anyone else hunt this way?

[Tor Gul]

the deer always get eaten. sometimes the boar is eaten, but if it's older & stinky it becomes dog food.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

unless it is for subsistence, I ethically object to hunting.

[Tor Gul]

unless it is for subsistence, I ethically object to hunting.

what are your objections? I would be glad to debate them if you can remain rational.

[Admin Khan]

unless it is for subsistence, I ethically object to hunting.

RTR, elaborate.

[Hakim Khan Urgonai]

unless it is for subsistence, I ethically object to hunting.

I agree.

I tend to sympathize slightly more with animals than I do with humans.

I would gladly hunt atheists, imperialists, racists and fascists, however.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

what are your objections? I would be glad to debate them if you can remain rational.

Well that there is no necessity or valid basis to take their lives unless you need to do to so for sustenance.

wasn't that kind of obvious from my previous post?

[RevolutionThroughReason]

RTR, elaborate.

What right do we have to take an animal's life for our own amusement?...... he's talking about sport hunting, even if he allegedly "eats the animal" later and uses it's byproducts, he is not driven to do so by necessity.

[Tor Gul]

I agree.

I tend to sympathize slightly more with animals than I do with humans.

I would gladly hunt atheists, imperialists, racists and fascists, however.

i too. i respect the animals more than most people, but then i live in america where peoples morals & values have been damaged by hollywood & politics.

[IamDZJ]

deer meet tastes disgusting. come to think of it, i am no longer much of a scavenger. while we are at it, why do some people go fishing and after they catch the fish, they release it?? so getting the hook caught in it's mouth and releasing back in the water until it bleeds to death is somehow better than actually eating it??

[IamDZJ]

why don't you chew on one and show me how it feels.

[NorthernLights]

Dude..You're going on my list.

[Tor Gul]

What right do we have to take an animal's life for our own amusement?...... he's talking about sport hunting, even if he allegedly "eats the animal" later and uses it's byproducts, he is not driven to do so by necessity.

1. you assume my primary purpose is amusement.
2. you assume my hunting is not a necessity.

1. animals do not regulate themselves & humans are the only predator that can & will regulate the animals they kill. i hunt deer because they are delicious and if left to their own devices they will overpopulate leading to mass die offs from disease & starvation both of which are less humane than a knife after the chase. as I use dogs to catch rather than a rifle from a distance it ensures the deer that get away are the healthiest & best genetics helping to ensure the overall health of the herd. of the other animals my dogs regularly hunt, boar & red fox are not native to the americas and as such they are detrimental to the health of the ecosystem and compete directly with native species. this is also true of raccoon in Utah. elsewhere raccoon are a resivoir for rabies and overpopulation results in the interaction & spread to human populations.
from a religious POV God made us responsible for caring for his creation (whether our fathers have done so is irrelevant to our own actions) and hunting is a tool for that care.
if you believe in evilution, then we've earned the right to regulate other species as we see fit.

2. 1 already covered the necessity for the wildlife of what my dogs & I do, but there is the additional necessity of doing what God/evilution made me to be which is a predator. wolves, lions, bears & other predators in captivity have shown that not acting in their role creates numerous and sever issues with their mental health. this is true for humans as well. it is imperative to both mine & my dogs mental health to act our role as predators. w/o hunting my dogs become very depressed or anxious, their best behavior is only after hunting. likewise my best emotional/mental health is maintained by taking the dogs hunting.

my opinions based on my experiences

[Admin Khan]

Hunting is part of the rural Pashtun culture.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

1. you assume my primary purpose is amusement.

Then why is it in sports?

2. you assume my hunting is not a necessity.

sports are a survival necessity?

1. animals do not regulate themselves & humans are the only predator that can & will regulate the animals they kill.

This is a red herring; what do animals instinctual survival mechanisms have to do with deliberate human killing?

i hunt deer because they are delicious and if left to their own devices

Therefore you already affirmed my response; this is recreational.

they will overpopulate leading to mass die offs

That's how most population cycles regulate; let their own natural selection process take course.

from a religious POV God made us responsible for caring for his creation (whether our fathers have done so is irrelevant to our own actions) and hunting is a tool for that care.

Allah(swt) also said that animals are to be respected, and deliberately trying to injury makes the meat harram and killing it without the dhabiha process makes it harram. The only instance it would be halal is if it is for subsistence. which being that you have the amenities of modern society, clearly you're not on the brink of starvation.

if you believe in evilution, then we've earned the right to regulate other species as we see fit.

That's exactly why we shouldn't because by doing so we're disrupting the ecological equilibrium.

2. 1 already covered the necessity for the wildlife of what my dogs & I do, but there is the additional necessity of doing what God/evilution made me to be which is a predator.

That argument has been debunked for decades, you're not the first to make such a claim. Since, we're at the higher peaks of the evolutionary model we no longer require such predatory behavior thus holds no evolutionary merit.