What is your favourite word in Pashto?

[salman47]

Warning: the following can be offensive to some.

In Arabic, Persian, Urdu and Pashto, there is a word which is used for the female organ. It starts with a "k" and ends with an "s" - one vowel in between.

In the various Turkic languages (Uzbek and Uyghur are my favorite but I also have knowledge of Azeri, Turkmen and Kazakh - original dialects, not the Russified ex-Shuravi speech), the word "qiz"/"kız"/"gyz" means "girl" and interestingly, it sounds a lot like English "kiss".

The vowel "i" in O'zbekcha/Uyghurche ("y" in Türkmençe and Qazaqşa; "ı" in Turkish Türkçesi) represents a sound in between the short "a" "i" and "u" and schwa of Pakhto, so the two words sound very similar and perhaps the Perso-Arabic profanity as used in Pakhto and Urdu originates from the Turkic usage for "girl".

I'm now going to check if the same profanity is used in the Turkic languages. I think in Kazakh, the word is "qynapşyq". Ok, I have since learned that the Turkic equivalent is "qin"/"qyn"/gyn"/"kın" - sounds a lot like the English and French "C" words - "c*nt" and "con". The Turkmen variant "gyn" mirrors the Greek root but is pronounced differently.

1)'K*s' is a loanword in Arabic(borrowed from most probably Old Persian)
2) I think your pronunciation of Turk languages is very wrong. i.e. 'kız' does not sound like 'kiss' at all....either that or your English is bad.
3) 'k*s' is not from Turkic languages.
4) 'k*s' is native to Pashto. But it is obviously a borrowing in Urdu(any Indian languages for that matter).

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1)'K*s' is a loanword in Arabic(borrowed from most probably Old Persian)
2) I think your pronunciation of Turk languages is very wrong. i.e. 'kız' does not sound like 'kiss' at all....either that or your English is bad.
3) 'k*s' is not from Turkic languages.
4) 'k*s' is native to Pashto. But it is obviously a borrowing in Urdu(any Indian languages for that matter).

How can you say its a loanword in Arabic - I though it was original Semitic? "k-s ummak" is a popular one among Arabs lol

The only Turkic dialect I speak (very basic) is Uzbek but you're right, it doesn't sound like English "kiss" that much.
BTW you know there are different accents of English right?

In Uzbek its "qiz". The "i" is more like a "zabar" than a "zer", its a feature of Turkic languages.

[زده کوونکی]

Uzbek can be quite hard to follow because many words sound similar

ko'z - eye
qo'z - sheep

"qora ko'z" (black eye) is just as common as "qora qo'z" (black sheep) in songs so its hard to know what they mean.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Yea but in Pashto we give it the same meaning.

but they have different meanings in Pashto? I guess Im not used to it used intechangably with sterga.

because we always say something like "khumari stergai enjjali" not never"khumari lemai injali

[زده کوونکی]

but they have different meanings in Pashto? I guess Im not used to it used intechangably with sterga.

because we always say something like "khumari stergai enjjali" not never"khumari lemai injali

I've never heard the word "lema" btw

Guess my Pashto is not as good as I thought

[salman47]

but they have different meanings in Pashto? I guess Im not used to it used intechangably with sterga.

because we always say something like "khumari stergai enjjali" not never"khumari lemai injali

We have literally no medical literature, so Lema=Starga.
Lema is a borrowing from Greek, where it means the 'Pupil' of the eye(or something).
Lema is out of use in Pashto, except poems.

We Really need to step up our Game!

[salman47]

I've never heard the word "lema" btw

Guess my Pashto is not as good as I thought

You really dont need to worry, i think your Pashto is fine.

P.S. Lema is very archaic word, something we lost in Modern Pashto(coming from 'proto-Pashto')

[salman47]

How can you say its a loanword in Arabic - I though it was original Semitic? "k-s ummak" is a popular one among Arabs lol

The only Turkic dialect I speak (very basic) is Uzbek but you're right, it doesn't sound like English "kiss" that much.
BTW you know there are different accents of English right?

In Uzbek its "qiz". The "i" is more like a "zabar" than a "zer", its a feature of Turkic languages.

It has no semitic root afaik.
Afaik none of the English dialects say 'kizz'.
Also the Turkic 'k' is more like 'g' and 'q' is like 'k'.
Also I think you should've chosen the other Turkic languages. I mean Ozbek is fine but it is more like Urdu(has foriegn words but grammar is native).

[زده کوونکی]

It has no semitic root afaik.
Afaik none of the English dialects say 'kizz'.
Also the Turkic 'k' is more like 'g' and 'q' is like 'k'.

Cool.

There are some funny dialects of English, in New Zealand, "fish" is pronounced as "fush" haha

Uzbek "qiz" actually sounds more like English slang "cuz"

The k-g-q-k thing you mentioned, I've seen it in Turkish and Azeri but Uzbek phonology is the same as Dari and Tajik. Uzbek "q" is a deep ق

Yes, you're right in your edit. But I guess that's what makes me like it so much, its a "shirin til" compared to other Turkic. Kazakh is also interesting because its so different in pronunciation - normal Turkic "ch" becomes "sh", "sh" become "s", "h" becomes "q", "y" becomes "j".

In other Turkic languages, "dil" or "til" means tongue but in Uzbek (especially Afghan, Bukhara, Samarqand dialects), "til" is tongue and due to Tajik influence, "dil" is a synomym for "yurak" or "qalb", so they can say things like "til bilan va dil bilan ihtirom qilaman"

Uzbek: yulduz
Kazakh: juldaz
Star

Uzbek: besh
Kazakh: bes
5

Uzbek: choy
Kazakh: shay
Tea

[salman47]

How can you say its a loanword in Arabic - I though it was original Semitic? "k-s ummak" is a popular one among Arabs lol

The only Turkic dialect I speak (very basic) is Uzbek but you're right, it doesn't sound like English "kiss" that much.
BTW you know there are different accents of English right?

In Uzbek its "qiz". The "i" is more like a "zabar" than a "zer", its a feature of Turkic languages.

Cool.

There are some funny dialects of English, in New Zealand, "fish" is pronounced as "fush" haha

Uzbek "qiz" actually sounds more like English slang "cuz"

The k-g-q-k thing you mentioned, I've seen it in Turkish and Azeri but Uzbek phonology is the same as Dari and Tajik. Uzbek "q" is a deep ق

Yes, you're right in your edit. But I guess that's what makes me like it so much, its a "shirin til" compared to other Turkic. Kazakh is also interesting because its so different in pronunciation - normal Turkic "ch" becomes "sh", "sh" become "s", "h" becomes "q", "y" becomes "j".

In other Turkic languages, "dil" or "til" means tongue but in Uzbek (especially Afghan, Bukhara, Samarqand dialects), "til" is tongue and due to Tajik influence, "dil" is a synomym for "yurak" or "qalb", so they can say things like "til bilan va dil bilan ihtirom qilaman"

Uzbek: yulduz
Kazakh: juldaz
Star

Uzbek: besh
Kazakh: bes
5

Uzbek: choy
Kazakh: shay
Tea

Btw the 'j' is not 'j' but a 'zh' or ژ. They are trying to adopt the Turkish Latin alphabets.

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Btw the 'j' is not 'j' but a 'zh' or ژ. They are trying to adopt the Turkish Latin alphabets.

In Kazakh its a "zh" but the Kyrgyz form is actually "j"

I read Cyrillic but prefer Turkish Latin.
However I love Turkic written in Perso-Arabic. Afghan Uzbek, Iranian Azeri, Xinjiang Uyghur (their orthography is very different but still Arabic based)

I have the opportunity to go Almaty and Kyzylorda, Kazakhstan - for work. I do plan to take it up one day, just not sure when. I'm keenest to visit Tajikistan tho out of all the former Soviet Republics because it would be easiest for me to communicate since my Tajik is better than Turkic.

The problem with Kazakh and Kyrgyz (of Shuravi - not Afghanistan or Xinjiang), is that they are very, very heavily influenced by Russian. More so than other Central Asians.

Xinjiang Kazakh song:

Qara jorga ||| Қара жорға - YouTube

Kyrgyz version of same: (with Anatolian subtitles to show similarities)

Kara Corgo (Kara Yorga) - Kırgızistan (ALTYAZILI) - YouTube