salam help memwawmemnon and me plzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Fahd]

salam
humm me and memwawmemnon was talking about religine and evry one post what he thinks with aproov (just me with proov :P LOL )
so please if u don't mind read this theard and then vote here please
because i want to show to memwawmemnon what all of u think about what we post
( vote about what we post not what u belivie in )
thats the theard
http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...-%3B-8687-new/

[Fahd]

hummm 60 views and no one vote's ??
i beg u guys plzzzz vote and read the theard first <<<he's good man just vote for him
lol
come on

[afghan]

fahad wrora i would have voted for either of you, but it will make one person wrong and other right, i dont want to go to hell. sorry

[Wrayun]

Okay kid, since you asked for it.

First, the jury is compromised...MWMN is an Ahmedi, and probably the only one on PF. Majority of the members here are either Sunni or Shia, who completely disagree with MWMN school from the start. So, he is already at a disadvantage when it comes to voting. People are more likely to vote for atheists than an Ahmedi. Besides that, I couldn't understand much of what you were trying to say. Not just the language issue, but some of your posts were in Arabic, can't read Arabic.

MWMN on the other hand presented his case in an articulate manner and in far more understandable context. Just on that alone he "wins".

[Mayana]

Fahad,

I understand what you are trying to say and regardless of whether or not I agree with you, let me give you an advice. If you're going to start a debate, be prepared to argue and respond by yourself instead of copying and pasting full articles. Also, you have to be considerate of what languages your opponent speaks. I can debate and post articles in German, too, and demand the person to understand and then proceed to expectig that the whole PF community understands me.. but that would be unfair.

Momin proved true knowledge behind the point he is making (whether or not that point is "correct" is a different question), while you were posting articles from other sources.

And on a different note, this poll has no substance. The common opinion is not always the most correct opinion. Just because everyone says you're right doesn't make you right; just because everyone says you're wrong doesn't make you wrong. What we tell you about who "won" shouldn't really have any imortance. Everyone needs to know for him/herself what is right and wrong.

[Fahd]

thanx evry one
i think mybe u didn't read all the post in the theard because i post something with copy and post
and i gived him the answer (read last 2 page )
and it's diffcult to understand debate words in english because of that i post something with arabic :P

[Fahd]

ok i will make one post about what we talk about then mybe it's gona be more clear

[Fahd]

we talk about muhammed the last propht and i gived him the ayaa and he said thats not mean what u thin so i gived him hadith

salam


thats the aproov hadith
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).
The Prophet of God (PBUH) affirmed: "My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example:

A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).

huh !!
i study arabic for 20 years i mean arabic languege's
and thats word mean the last
بفتح الخاء وكسر التاء it's mean the last like it's in quran
بفتح الخاء وفتح التاء it's mean ring
brother arabic langueg have alot of deffcult things arab can't understand it well and they are arab
do u think ahmad mirza can understand it more than them !!

now what u gona tell me !!!!

then

First of all, you should acquaint yourself with what the Quranic verse is:

As you can see, in the Quran it is bi fatah haa' wa fatah taa'. This means that the real translation of the word is not last, it is ring or signet ring, meaning seal. This is the translation you will find in most translation.

stick to a mistake (it's not mistakle because some who read the quran read it like that in past but now they take asseem alqufi reader in quran )

The second point you should take into consideration is that the Khatamun Nabiyyeen is al mudhaaf mudhaaf ilaihi, and khatam is not ism faa'il.

This means that the usage of the word Khatam here is idiomatic. It means that no one can ever surpass Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). The title khatimiyat has been given to many people in the past. For example, in the diwaan of Al Mutanabi it is written: Khatamal Shu'araa'. Does this mean that no poet ever came after him? Of course not. It means that he is the best. Also, one of the titles of Hadhrat 'Ali (ra) is: Khatamal Awliyaa'. Does this mean that no one else can ever reach to the stage of sainthood? Of course not. It means that Hadrhat 'Ali (ra) has reached the highest level of sainthood. This title was given to him by Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

^ i didn't understand this well but he talk about what ppl call other and about what god write it in quran !!

thats what aaseem alqufi read it
ختم الله به النبوة ، وقرأ عاصم : " خاتم " بفتح التاء على الاسم ، أي : آخرهم ، وقرأ الآخرون بكسر التاء على الفاعل ، لأنه ختم به النبيين فهو خاتمهم .]

قال ابن عباس : يريد لو لم أختم به النبيين لجعلت له ابنا يكون بعده نبيا .

it's the same meaning
u can read arabic right ?

ختم الله به النبوة ، وقرأ عاصم : " خاتم " بفتح التاء على الاسم ، أي : آخرهم ، وقرأ الآخرون بكسر التاء على الفاعل ، لأنه ختم به النبيين فهو خاتمهم .]
khatama allah behe alnubuwa asseem read it khatama (by fatah alta ) (in english he read it after t is a )that mean :the last and other read it khateema (bby kaser alta ) (in english other read it after t is e )and still the same meaning

قال ابن عباس : يريد لو لم أختم به النبيين لجعلت له ابنا يكون بعده نبيا
this hadith i can't translate it well do ma best
(if i don't want to make him the last propht i would have son after him who was going to the propht )

ohh brother u can't Comparison btw what god said and ppl saying !!
god said in quran no one in this earth can give u like what in quran .

and i told u there s alot of deffrent read in quran and the meaning is the same

btw what about the hadith it's clear like the sun rise

I can read.

But that is not what is written in the Quran. It is bi fatah taa'. Also, Hadhrat Ali (ra) told Abi Abdur Rahman Assalamiyye (ra) to teach Hasan and Hussein khatamun nabiyyen bi fatah taa': iqraahumaa wa khatamun nabiyyeen bi fatah taa'.

From this it is very clear that one must keep the fatah on the taa' otherwise it would change the whole meaning.

i did told u that!!! in ma last post ??

The hadith does not mean that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet. It simply means that the law Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) brought is final.

Also, Hadhrat Aishah has said: qulu khatamun nabiyyeen wa laa taqulu la nabi ba'duhu.

Also, I gave you an example that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) gave the title Khatamal Awliyaa' to Hadhrat Ali (ra). So, you can't say that 'people' said. It is our own prophet who used this word.

la hwal wla quata ellah be allah ???

{خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ } أن النبوة ختمت بنبوته، فلا نبي بعده إلى أن تقوم السَّاعة. أي: أنه لا تبدأ نبوة، ولا تشرَّع شريعة بعد نبوته وشرعته، فهو آخر الأنبياء عليهم السلام. ويلزم من كونه صلى الله عليه وسلم {خَاتَم النَّبِيِّينَ }كونه { خَاتَم المُرْسَلينَ }؛ إذ لا رسالة إلا بنبوة. ولهذا يقال: كل رسول نبيٌّ، وليس كل نبيٍّ رسولاً.

وقد ثبت عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه قال لعلي بن أبي طالب كرم الله وجهه، حين خلَّفه في أهله في غزوة تبوك، فقال: يا رسول الله ! تخرج، وأقعد مع النساء والولدان ؟ فقال له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم:«أما ترضى أن تكون منِّي بمنزلة هارون من موسى؛ إلا أنه لا نبيَّ بعدي». فرضي عليٌّ، رضي الله عنه.
وثبت عنه أيضًا قوله:«أنا محمد، وأنا أحمد، وأنا الحاشر، الذي يُحشَر الناس على قدمي، وأنا العاقبُ، الذي ليس بعدي نبيٌّ». فذكر عليه الصلاة والسلام من أسمائه:{ العاقب }، وبيَّنه بقوله:«الذي لا نبيَّ بعده»، فدل بذلك على أنه آخر الأنبياء والرسل عليهم الصلاة والسلام؛ لأن كل رسول نبيٌّ، فلا يبعَث بعده، لا رسولٌ، ولا نبيٌّ. فمن ادَّعى النبوة والرسالة بعده، أو صدَّق مُدَّعِي النبوة بعده، فهو كافر بالله عز وجل، مكذب لله ولرسوله، ولإجماع المسلمين، ويجب أن يُقَصَّ عنقُه، إلا أن يتوب ويرجع

and read this for u about fateh alta
قوله تعالى:﴿ وَلَكِنْ رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ﴾ بأن المعنى: زينة النبيين، وليس آخرهم.
وهذا التأويل لا يصحُّ إلا في لغة الأعاجم، وأما في اللغة، التي أنزل الله تعالى بها القرآن، فلا يصحُّ أبدًا؛ بل لا يجوز؛ لأنه تحريف للكلم عن مواضعه. ولا يقول: إن بعدي، بمعنى: معي، وأن{ الخاتَم } بمعنى:{ الزينة }، إلا جاهل بلغة العرب، أو متجاهل خبيث شرير، غرضه إثارة الشبهات، ووضع السمِّ في الدَّسَم، ولا يخفى ذلك إلا على ضعاف النفوس والإيمان
الخاتَِم، بفتح التاء وكسرها، اشتقاقهما من الخَتْمِ. والختم- في اللغة-ينبئ عن إتمام الشئ، وبلوغ آخره. يقال: فلانٌ خَتَمَ عليك بابه، إذا أعْرَض عنك. وخَتَمَ فلانٌ لك بابَهُ، إذا آثرَك على غيرك. وخَتَم فلانٌ القُرآن، إذا أتمَّ قراءته، أو حفظه إلى آخره. وخاتِمة السورة: آخرها.واخْتَتَمَ الشيء نَقيض افتَتَحه. وخاتَم كل شيء، وخاتِمه، وخِتامه: عاقبتُه وآخرهُ. وخِتامُ الوادي: أقصاه. وقوله تعالى:﴿خِتَامُهُ مِسْكٌ﴾(المطففين:26). أي: آخرُ ما يجدونه منه عند شربهم إياه رائحةُ المسك. ويقرأ:{ خَاتِمهُ مِسْكٌ }. أي: عاقبتُه ريحُ المسك. وخِتامُ كلِّ مشروبٍ، وخاتَِمُه: آخِرُه. وقال الفراء: قرأَ عليٌّ عليه السلام:{خَاتِمُه مِسْكٌ }، وقال: أَما رأَيتَ المرأَةَ تقول للعطَّار: اجعلْ لي خَاتِمَه مِسكًا. تريد: آخرَه ؟ وقال الفراء: والخاتِمُ والخِتامُ متقاربان في المعنى، إِلاَّ أَن الخاتِمَ: الاسمُ، والخِتام: المصدر.
وحقيقةُ الخَتْمُ: السَّدُّ على الإناء، والغَلْقُ على الكتاب، بطين ونحوه، مع وضع علامة مرسومة في خاتَم؛ ليمنع ذلك من فتح المختوم. فإذا فُتِح علم صاحبه أنه فتِح، لفسادٍ يظهر في أثر النقش. وقد اتخذ النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم خاتَمًا لذلك. وقد كانت العرب تختم على قوارير الخمر؛ ليصلحها انحباس الهواء عنها، وتسلم من الأقذار في مدة تعتيقها. والخَتْمُ: أَفواه خَلايا النَّحْل. والخَتْمُ أَن تَجمع النحلُ من الشَّمَع شيئًا رقيقًا، أَرقَّ من شَمَع القُرْص، فَتَطْلِيَه به.
والخاتَم، بفتح التاء، الطين الموضوع على المكان المختوم. وأطلق على القالَبِ المنقوش فيه علامة، أو كتابة، يطبَع بها على الطين، الذي يُختَم به، بحيث لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يدخل فيه شيء. والخِتام: الطين الذي يُخْتَمَ به على كتابٍ. ويقال: هو الخَتْم، يعني: الطين الذي يُختَم به. والخِتَامُ هو أن تُثار الأرضُ بالبَذرِ حتى يصير البذرُ تحتها، ثم يسقونها. وخَتْمُ البَذر: تغطيته؛ ولذلك قيل للزَّارِعِ: كافرٌ؛ لأنه يغطِّى البَذْر بالتراب. قال الله تعالى:﴿ خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ ﴾(البقرة:7)، فجعل على قلوب الكافرين، وأسماعهم خَتْمًا؛ كختم الطين على الجرَّة؛ ليكون لها مانعًا، يمنعها من ألَّا يدخل فيها شيء، أو يخرج منها شيء. أما أبصارهم فجعل عليها غشاوة؛ لتكون مانعة لها من الرؤية منعًا، لا يكون معه إلا العمى؛ وذلك لأنهم لم يؤمنوا. وقال تعالى:﴿ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ آَمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا فَطُبِعَ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ﴾(المنافقون:3)، فجعل على قلوب المنافقين طابعًا، يمنعها من الفهم والعقْل منعًا، لا يرقى إلى المنع بالختم، وبالغشاوة؛لأنهم آمنوا، ثم كفروا.
وقوله تعالى:﴿ الْيَوْمَ نَخْتِمُ عَلَى أَفْوَاهِهِمْ ﴾(يس:65). أي: نمنعهم من الكلام. والختم على الأفواه، والقلوب قريب معناه من القَفْل. والخَاتَم والخَاتِمُ: من أسماء النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وسمِّي بذلك لأن الله تعالى ختم به الأنبياء والرسل، وتمَّمَهم به، بحيث لا يأتي بعده نبيٌّ، ولا يبعث ممَّن قبله نبيٌّ؛ كما يختم بالطين على الجرَّة، بحيث لا يدخل فيها شيء، ولا يخرج منها شيء، فليُتأمَّل ! ويدل على ذلك قراءة ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه:{ ولَكِنْ نَبِيًّا خَتَمَ النَّبَيِّينَ }.
tell us what u understand from this ?

thats the translet from google translate
{} Seal of the Prophets that Prophethood ended his prophethood, there is no Prophet after him until you have time. Ie: it does not begin to prophecy, and does not legislate law after the break and legitimized, is the last of the prophets. And necessary as peace be upon him} {Seal of the Prophets as messengers {ring}; message as not only the Prophethood. Hence it is said: the Messenger of every prophet, and not every prophet messenger.

It was proven that the Prophet peace be upon him, he said to Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah honor his face, while his successor in his family in the Battle of Tabuk, he said: O Messenger of Allah! Graduate, and I can sit with women and children? The Prophet peace be upon him: «The satisfied that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses; but no prophet after me». Varzi, Ali, may Allah be pleased with him.

It was also narrated as saying: «I am Mohammed, Ahmed I, I am today, which people will be gathered at my feet, and I carriage, which is not dimensions of the Prophet». Stated upon him blessings and peace of names: {carriage}, and him saying: «that no prophet after him», indicates that as the last of the prophets and messengers peace be upon them; because every prophet messenger, do not send after him, not the Messenger, nor a prophet. It is claimed prophethood and the message after that, or sincerity of claimants to Prophethood after him, he is a disbeliever in Allah Almighty, denying God and His Messenger, and the consensus of the Muslims, must cut his neck, only to repent and return







and read this for u about fateh alta

Verse, but the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets (meaning that: Accessories of the Prophets, and not the last.

This interpretation is not valid only in the language of the Persians, and in either language, which God sent down the Qur'an, there is never true; but may not be; because the distortion of kilometers on the themes. Do not say: "me, ie: me, and that the ring {ie}: {pet}, but ignorant of the language of the Arabs, or ignored malignant evil, its purpose to raise suspicions, and put poison in the fat, is no secret that only weak people, and faith

The ring, opening V and breaking, their derivation of the seal. And seal - in language - predicated on the completion of the thing, and the attainment of the end. Said: So you need to seal the door, if you introduce. The person you seal the door, if preferred thee above the others. In conclusion, the Quran so and so, if you did read it, or save it to the end. Sura and a conclusion: the end. In conclusion, contrary to the thing opened. And the seal of all, the ring, and its conclusion: consequences and so on. And the end of the valley: by. And says Thou wilt ((Mutaffifin: 26). Ie: the last thing they find him drinking from it when the smell of musk. And reads: {ring} caught. Ie: consequences musk. And the conclusion of each drink, and a conclusion: the end. The fur: read Ali peace be upon him: {ring} caught, and he said: "I saw the woman say to the Attar: give me a ring yields hold. You want:, etc.? The fur: the ring and closing are close in meaning, except that the ring: the name, and the conclusion: the source.

The fact seal: Dam on the vessel, and closing the book, the ventricle and the like, with a painted sign in the ring; to prevent it from opening sealed. If he opened the knowledge that it has opened its owner, to the corruption shows the impact of the pattern. Has taken the Prophet peace be upon him a ring to it. Arabs have been stamped on bottles of wine; repairs to the entrapment of air it, and recognizes the filth of the duration of Totaigaha. The seal: the mouths of hives. And seal pool that the bees wax something thin, thinner than the wax disc, Vttalih tags.

And the ring, opening V, mud topic stamped on the place. They were engraved on the template where the mark, or write, print them on clay, which concludes it, so do not come out of it something, which excludes nothing. The conclusion: the mud on the end of his book. It is said: He is the seal, means: clay, which seals it. The conclusion is that the ground raised seedling until it becomes sowing beneath it, then Isagunha. In conclusion, sowing: coverage; Therefore, it was the planter: infidel; because it covers the seed with soil. Almighty God said the seal of God on their hearts and their hearing and on their eyes is a veil ((The Cow: 7), Making the hearts of the unbelievers, and hear of a stamp; interogees mud on the jar; to have a bar, prevents them from not enter the thing, or come out of nothing. The eyes started to mist them; to be proof of its vision to prevent, not only with blindness; because they did not believe. He says that they believed, then disbelieved, therefore their hearts they do not understand ((Hypocrites: 3), Making the hearts of the hypocrites in nature, prevents them from understanding and reason to avoid, does not amount to prevention of sealing, and Balgshaop; because they believed, then disbelieved.

And says This day We seal on their mouths ((Yasin: 65). Ie: stop them from talking. And seal the mouths, hearts and close its meaning from the lock. The ring and the ring: the names of the Prophet peace be upon him, and so named because God seal the prophets and apostles, and Tmmanm tags, so that does not come after the Prophet, not a matter who before the Prophet; also sealed with mud on the jar, so do not include something, or go out None of them, Fletoml! This is indicated by reading Ibn Masood may Allah be pleased with him: {but} a prophet Seal of the Prophets


i know it's not good translete but it's better than nothing

Brother you should have some fear of Allah and don't brush away what I have already responded to.

You first said that khatam has a kasra in the Quran. Then I showed you that you are wrong, it is a fatah. You even said that khatam with a fathah has the meaning of ring. In the Quran it is with fathah, so you should accept it to mean a ring or a seal (these are nouns not verbs).

The examples you have brought forth are the same root but don't reflect what the word is in Khatamun Nabiyyeen. Because you and I both agree that khatam with fathah means ring or seal. Also, I mentioned to you that it is not ism faa'il it is al mudhaaf al mudhaaf ilaihi.

Brother, first stick to Quran. The ahadith which you have mentioned have to be looked at in the light of the Quran. The word ba'ad in Arabic does not only mean after, it also has the meaning, immediately after, in my place, other than me.

yes i said that and i told u that there s alot of reader in quran and aasem alkofi said that and other said it with kaser alta but the mean in the word still the same


{ ختم }،في اللغة، يعني: أنهى وأغلق؛ كما يعني أيضًا: طبع. أما { خاتَم }، أو{ خاتِم }في اللغة، فتعني: ما يوضع في الإصبع للزينة. وما يستخدم للختم أو التصديق، أو ما يستعمل للختم أو الإغلاق.
أن الخاتَم- بفتح التاء- هو الطين الموضوع على الشيء المختوم. وأُطلِقَ على القالَبِ المنقوش فيه علامة، أو كتابة، يُطْبَعُ بها على الطين، الذي يُختَم به، بحيث لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يدخل فيه شيء. وأن الخاتِم- بكسر التاء- هو فاعل الخَتْم على الشيء المختوم. وبهما قرىء قوله تعالى:?خَاتَِمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?. يقال: خَتَم الإناءَ، أو الجَرَّةَ، فهو خاتِم، بكسر التاء، والإناءُ مَخْتومٌ، والآلةُ، التي استعملها الخاتِمُ في الخَتْم، هي الخَاتَمُ. فالفرق بين{ الخَاتَم }، بفتح التاء، و{ الخَاتِم }، بكسر التاء، واضحٌ، لا يخفى إلا على الصُّمِّ العُمْيِ، و?إِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى وَلَا تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا وَلَّوْا مُدْبِرِينَ?.
وذكرت أيضًا أن حقيقةَ الخَتْمِ- في اللغة- هي السَّدُّ على الإناء، والغَلْقُ على الكتاب، بطين ونحوه، مع وضع علامة مرسومة في خَاتَم؛ لِيَمْنَعَ ذلك من فتْح المختوم. والختم على الإناء لا يكون إلا بعد الانتهاء من إتمامه. وإذا خُتِمَ لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يزاد عليه شيء. ولإفادة هذا المعنى، قال تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، ولم يقل:{ آخَرِ النَّبِيِّينَ }؛ لأن الخَاتَم هو الطين، الذي يُخْتَمُ به، وهو الآلةُ، التي يَخْتِمُ بها الخَاتِمُ على الشيء عند الانتهاء منه، اسْتيثاقًا من ألاَّ يخرجَ منه شيءٌ، أو يدخلَ فيه شيءٌ؛ فلهذا كان قول{ خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ}أبلغَ وأعمَّ من لفظ { آخَر النَّبِيِّينَ}، وأدقَّ منه في التعبير عن المراد؛ لأنه يجمع بين معنيين، فدل على أن كل{ خاتَم }هو { آخَر }، وليس كل { آخَر }هو { خاتَم }. وهذا يعني: أن لفظ{ آخر }لا يدل على معنى الخَتْم؛ كما يدلُّ عليه لفظ { خاتَم }،هذا من جهة. ومن جهة أخرى فإن{ الخَاتَمَ }اشتُقَّ اسمًا من الخَتْمِ؛ لِيُخْتَمَ به على الشيء، الذي يراد خَتْمُه، لا ليُتَزَيَّن به. هذا هو الأصل في المراد من اشتقاقلفظ{ الخَاتَم }، حتى الخَاطِبُ، الذي يضع{الخَاتَم }في أصبعه في أيامنا هذه؛ إنما يضعه؛ لِيَرْمُزَ به إلى انتهاء مرحلة من مراحل حياته، هي مرحلة العزوبة؛ وليبدأ بعدها مرحلة أخرى من مراحل حياته هي مرحلة الزواج؛ فكأنه خَتَمَ بهذا الخَاتَم، الذي وضعه في أصبعه على مرحلةٍ من مراحل حياته، لا يمكن أن تعود بعد دخوله المرحلة الثانية

قِراءةُ بن مسعود رضي الله عنه:?ولَكِنْ نَبِيًّا خَتَمَ النَّبَيِّينَ ?المراد من قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?بيانًا لا لبس فيه، ولا غموض?لِمَنْ كَانَ لَهُ قَلْبٌ أَوْ أَلْقَى السَّمْعَ وَهُوَ شَهِيدٌ?؛ كما بيَّنه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في حديث آخر، رواه مسلم، وهو قوله عليه الصلاة والسلام:« فُضِّلْتُ على الأنبياء بستٍّ: أُعطيتُ جَوامعَ الكلِم، ونُصِرْتُ بالرُّعْبِ، وأُحِلَّتْ لي الغنائمُ، وجُعِلَتْ لي الأرضُ مسجدًا وطهورًا، وأُرْسِلْتُ إلى الخلْق كافَّةً، وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون».فكيف يُختَمُ به- عليه الصلاة والسلام- النبيون، إن لم يكن هو خَاتَمُهم، وآخر نبي فيهم ؟ وكيف لم يُغلَق بَابُ النُّبُوَّة، وقد ختمه الله تعالى بخاتَم النبيين ؟
بقي أن نعلم أن الخَتْمَ على الشيء لا يزول أبدًا إلا بأمر من الله تعالى؛ لأنه هو واضع الخَتْم سبحانه وتعالى. فليس للإنسان يدٌ في فضِّه، أو إزالته، خلافًا لمن يدَّعي ذلك؛ ولهذا ذكرت في مقالي السابق أن الخَتْمَ على القلوب يمنع من الإيمان منعًا تامًّا، بخلاف الطَّبْع؛ ولهذا أيضًا قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في الحديث السابق:«وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون»، بالبناء للمجهول، فلا يُبعَث بعده نبيٌّ، ولا رسولٌ. ويؤيد ذلك ما أخرجه عبد بن حُمَيْدٍ عن الحسن- رضي الله عنه- في قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، قال:”ختم الله النبيين بمحمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وكان آخَر من بُعِثَ “.وقال البيهقي في(شعب الإيمان ):”والخاتم: الذي لا نبي بعده؛ كما ليس بعد خاتمة الأمر منه شيءٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكتاب نشرٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكيس إخراجُ شيء منه “.
ولهذا كله أقول: ليس لمدَّع بعد هذا البيان أن يدَّعي أن المراد بـ:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?:زينة النبيين، أو أحسنهم، وأكملهم، وأفضلهم. وليس: آخَرهم، وأن باب النُّبُوَّة لم يُغلَق؛ إلا إذا كان المدَّعي مُتَنَبِيًا، قد تلقَّى علومه في جامعات لندن، وباريس، ونيويورك،؛ لأن تلك الجامعات هي مصدر الوحي والإلهام الرباني في العصر الحديث لمثل أولئك. ولعلها هي التي أوحت للقاديانيين أن { الخاتَِم }، إذا أضيف إلى جمع العقلاء فلا يكون إلا بمعنى: الأفضل والأكمل

the translet
{Seal}, in the language, means: finished and closed; It also means: printing. The {ring}, or {} in the ring language, it means: what is placed in the finger for decoration. What used to seal or ratify, or what used to seal or closure.

That the ring - opening V - is a clay thing stamped on the topic. They were engraved on the template where the mark, or write, print them on clay, which concludes it, so do not come out of it something, which excludes nothing. And the ring - a broken-na - is an effective seal stamped on the thing. And has been read by the verse:? Seal of the Prophets?. Said: seal the pot, or jar, seal it, break na, and the vessel is sealed, and the machine, used by the ring on the seal, is the ring. The difference between {ring}, opening V, and {ring}, break na, clearly, is no secret only to the blind, deaf, and? You do not hear the dead do not make the deaf hear, and if their backs?.

She also stated that the fact that the seal - in the language - is a dam on the vessel, and closing the book, the ventricle and the like, with a painted sign in the ring; to prevent it from opening sealed. The seal on the vessel can be achieved only after the completion of its completion. If the seal is not something out of it, should not be given anything. To benefit this sense, he says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Did not say: {last of the Prophets}; because the ring is clay, which is sealed by, a machine, which stamped the seal on the thing when completed, Astithaqa of not come out of it all, or enters something; Hence the saying {Seal of the Prophets} told the more general term {last of the Prophets}, and more accurate than in the expression to be; because it combines those concerned, which indicates that each {ring} is {last}, and not all the {last} is the {ring}. This means: that the word {last} does not indicate the meaning of the seal; as indicated by the word {ring}, this hand. On the other hand, the {ring} a name derived from the seal; to complete the tags on the thing, which is intended to seal, not to heap yet. This is the original in the meaning of Achtakkaklfez {ring}, even her fiance, which puts {ring} in the finger these days; but puts it; to symbolize him to the end stage of his life, is the stage of celibacy; and begin after the other stage of his life is a stage marriage; as if this seal ring, which was placed in his finger on the stage of his life, can not return after entering the second phase



Read bin Masood may Allah be pleased with him:? But a prophet Seal of the Prophets? The meaning of the verse:? Seal of the Prophets? Statement is unequivocal, and unambiguous? Those who have a heart, or hearing a martyr?; As with the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him in According to another hadeeth narrated by Muslim, which is saying peace be upon him: «I preferred the prophets Best: given the conciseness of speech, Nusrat horror, and transmitting spoils me and made me land a mosque and pure, and sent to all creation, and seal my prophets». how sealed it - it Prayer and peace - the prophets, if not the Final Prophet, and including the last prophet? And why has not closed the door of prophecy, God has stamped the seal of the prophets?

It remains to be know that the seal on the thing does not pass away except by order of God; because it is the author of Seal the Almighty. No human hand in silver, or removed, unlike those who claim to do so; This stated in my previous article that the seal on the hearts prevents faith strictly, other than printing; That is also why the Prophet peace be upon him in the hadeeth quoted above: «In conclusion, my prophets», construction of the unknown, not a matter after the Prophet, or Messenger. This is supported by what was narrated by Abdullah bin Hamid al-Hasan - may Allah be pleased with him - says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Said: "the seal of God of the Prophets Muhammad peace be upon him, the last of the letter." Al-Bayhaqi said in the (people of faith): " and the ring: that no prophet after him; and not after the conclusion of command anything from him, and not after completing the book was published, not after sealing the bag out something from it. "

For this, I would say: You do not prosecutor after this statement to claim that what is meant by:? Seal of the Prophets?: Accessories of the Prophets, or highly qualified, and Okmlhm, and the best. And not: most recently, of prophecy and that the door is not closed; only if the plaintiff Mtenbia, has educated at the universities of London, Paris, New York; because these universities are the source of divine revelation and inspiration in the modern era to like those. Perhaps it is suggested that the Viadeanyen {ring}, when added to the collection not only be rational in the sense: the best and fullest

I have read what you have posted. It is biased and it is misleading Muslims. That is why I presented how Hadhrat Ali (ra) wanted Hasan and Hussein (ra) to be taught. He said: wa khaatam bi fatah taa'. They don't have the same meaning. You even have it on the first post. Also, that is why I am telling you that Khataamun Nabiyyeen is al mudhaaf al mudhaaf ilaihi. The word khaatam is not ism fa'il it is simply an ism, a noun.

This is what you initially posted:

Your first mistake was that you did not read the Quran. This mistake of yours is a blessing because it shows that these two words have to be taken differently. You are now searching for what the "scholars" are saying because you do not want to believe that this word does not mean last.

itaqillah ya akhi.

can u read this !!
and told me if u understand it well

ما حقيقة حديث "قولوا خاتم النبيين ولا تقولوا لا نبي بعده " ؟

أولاً- قال النُّوَيْرِيُّ في( نهاية الأرب في فنون الأدب ):” ادَّعت امْرأةٌ النُّبُوَّة على عهد المأمون، فأُحضِرَتْ إليه، فقال لها: من أنت ؟ قالت: أنا فاطمةُ النَّبِيَّةُ. فقال لها المأمون: أتؤمنين بما جاء به محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ قالت: نعم. كلُّ ما جاء به، فهو حق. قال المأمون: فقد قال محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم:«لا نبيَّ بعدي ». قالت: صدق عليه الصلاة والسلام، فهل قال: لا نَبِيَّةَ بعدي؟ قال المأمون لمن حضره: أمَّا أنا فقد انقطعت، فمن كان عنده حُجَّةٌ، فليأتِ بها، وضحك حتى غطَّى وجهه “.
هذه المرأة، التي ادَّعت النُّبُوَّة على عهد المأمون لم تَتلقَّ وَحْيَ نُبُوَّتها من( لندن ) مَصْدَرِ الوَحْيِ، ومَنْبَعِه في العصر الحديث؛ كما تَلقَّى وَحْيَ نُبُوَّته منها المُتنبِّئُ ميرزا أحمد غلام القادياني؛ ولهذا لم تفهم معنى البَعدِيَّة في حديث النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم؛ كما فهمه هو، وأتباعه. ذلك الحديث، الذي نفى فيه عليه الصلاة والسلام، نفيًا جازمًا أن يكون نبيٌّ بعده إلى قيام الساعة؛ لأنه{ خَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ }؛ كما وصفه الله تعالى بذلك، ووصف هو به نفسه، في كثير من أقواله، المتواترة؛ كقوله عليه الصلاة والسلام لعلي رضي الله عنه حين خلَّفه في أهله في غزوة تبوك:«أما ترضى أن تكون مني بمنزلة هارون من موسى؛ إلا أنه لا نبي بعدي ؟ ».
فجاء قوله عليه الصلاة والسلام:«إلا أنهلا نبيَّ بعدي »مفسِّرًا لقول الله تعالى:? خَاتَم النَّبِيِّينَ ?. وهذا ما اعترف به المدَّعي النبوة غلام أحمد القادياني، وأقرَّه في تأليفه( عمامة البشر )، فقال بعد أن ذكر قوله تعالى:?وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَالله وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، قال:”وفسَّره نبيُّنا صلى الله عليه وسلم في قوله:«لا نبيَّ بعدي»“. وقال في كتاب( البرية ):”كان الحديث:«لا نبيَّ بعدي»مَعروفًا، مُنتشِرًا بين الناس إلى حدٍّ، لا يمكن أن يشك في صحته أحدٌ “.
فهو يعترف بأن النبي محمدًا صلى الله عليه هو نبيُّه، وأن قوله:«لا نبيَّ بعدي» جاء مفسِّرًا لقوله تعالى:?وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، وأنه معروف، ومنتشر بين الناس إلى حدٍّ، لا يمكن أن يشك في صحته أحدٌ.
فالمشكلة- إذًا- عند القادياني المتنبي أحمد غلام ليست في صحة الحديث، وعدم صحته، وإن اسشتهد على صحة ادِّعائه النُّبُوَّة بأحاديث ضعيفة، وموضوعة؛ وإنما المشكلة عنده هي أن الآخرين لم يفهموا الحقيقةَ، والسرَّ الكامنَ في مفهوم خَتْم النُّبُوَّة لـ{ خَاتَم النبيينَ }؛ كما فهمه هو. ولم يفهموا البَعْدِيَّة، المنصوص عليها في الحديث الشريف؛ كما فهمها هو وأتباعه.
أما عن مفهوم { خَتْم النُّبُوَّة }فقد أعلن حضرته أنهم يؤمنون بكون النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم { خاتم النبيين }بالبصيرة التامة، التي يعلمها الله.ويؤكِّد بأن الله تعالى كشفعليهم حقيقة{ خَتْمِ النُّبُوَّةِ }، بحيث يجدون من شراب المعرفة، الذي سُقُوا إياه، لذةً لا يتصوَّرها أحدٌ، إلا الذين سُقُوا من ذلك النبع.
ويعترف أتباعه أيضًا بأن الفعل{ ختم }،في اللغة، يعني: أنهى وأغلق؛ كما يعني أيضًا: طبع. أما { خاتَم }، أو{ خاتِم }في اللغة، فتعني: ما يوضع في الإصبع للزينة. وما يستخدم للختم أو التصديق، أو ما يستعمل للختم أو الإغلاق.
إنهم يعترفون بذلك؛ ولكنهم يقولون:”وإذا أضيف{ خاتَم }،أو{ خاتِم }،أو{ خاتِمة}إلى جمع العقلاء، فلا يكون معناه إلا الأفضل والأكمل، الذي جاء بما لم يأتِ، ولن يأتي أحد من قبله، أو من بعده بمثله. كذلك تعني مَنْ جَمَع أفضل ما كان للسابقين من أعمال وآثار ومحاسن، ومن ثمَّ صاغها في أزين صورة، ثم ترك أثره وطابعه فيمن جاء بعده. وبهذا يكون قد وصل الكمال فيما نُسِبَ إليه، بحيث لا يصل إلى مرتبته أحد ممَّن كان قبله، أو ممَّن جاء بعده “.
وبناء على ما سبق فإنهم يجدون أن مفهوم{ خاتم النبيين}يحدد ملامح النبوة بعد الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم بشكل واضح وجلي. وهذا المفهوم ما كان إلا لكي يبين علو شأن النبي بين الأنبياء من ناحية، واستمرار النبوة من بعده من ناحية أخرى وعدم انقطاعها. ولكنهم يقيِّدون النبوة بشروط، لم تكن موجودة سابقًا، ويحصرونها في الأمة الإسلامية. ويزعمون أن المتنبي غلام هو المسيح الموعود. وقد نقلوا عن حضرته في معنى{ خَاتَم النَّبِيِّينَ}قصة طريفة، لا تقل طرافة عن قصة المتنبية فاطمة مع المأمون، فقالوا:”يروي حضرة ميرزا طاهر أحمد- رحمه الله- الخليفة الرابع للإمام المهدي عليه السلام، أنه في سنوات دراسته الجامعية بـ( لندن ) كان له أستاذ مصري، يدرِّسه اللغة العربية. وفي إحدى المرَّات كتب حضرته في موضوع عن الدولة الأموية ما يلي:«كان مروان بن محمد خاتم خلفاء بني أمية». فقال له أستاذه: لا، هذا ليس بصحيح، اكتُبْ:«كان مروان بن محمد آخر خلفاء بني أمية». فابتسم حضرته، وقال لأستاذه: إذن لماذا تصرُّ على أن معنى{ خاتم النبيين }:هو آخرهم “.
ويضيف أتباعه قائلين:” بالمِثْل نستطيع أن نقول:«إن هارون الرشيد هو خاتم خلفاء بني العباس». وهذا القول سيكون مقبولاً من السامع، وسيلقى استحسانًا؛ لأن هارون الرشيد كان أعظم خلفاء بني العباس، وقد أرسى قواعد الدولة وتميز في نواح شتى؛ ولكن لو قلنا:«إن المستعصم كان خاتم خلفاء بني العباس»، بصفته آخرهم، فإن السامع لن يتقبل ذلك أبدًًا “.
ويظهر من أقوال هذه الجماعة الكافرة بإجماع المسلمين أنهم لم يختلفوا عن غيرهم ممَّن سبقهم، وكان على شاكلتهم. فهم يعتمدون الأحاديث الضعيفة، والموضوعة، وأقوال من سبقهم ممَّن يزعمون أنهم من علماء السلف الرَّبَّانيِّين، وصلحائهم- على حدِّ تعبيرهم- في دعم أفكارهم العفنة، ونشرها بين صفوف العامَّة، ويتلاعبون بالألفاظ، فيضعون لفظًا مكان آخر دون أن يفرقوا بينهما في المعنى، ويختارون من النصوص ما يوافق هواهم، ويدعم أفكارهم.
ثانيًا- وقد سبق أن بيَّنت في مقالي السابق( الرد على القاديانية، وخاتم النبيين ) أن الخاتَم- بفتح التاء- هو الطين الموضوع على الشيء المختوم. وأُطلِقَ على القالَبِ المنقوش فيه علامة، أو كتابة، يُطْبَعُ بها على الطين، الذي يُختَم به، بحيث لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يدخل فيه شيء. وأن الخاتِم- بكسر التاء- هو فاعل الخَتْم على الشيء المختوم. وبهما قرىء قوله تعالى:?خَاتَِمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?. يقال: خَتَم الإناءَ، أو الجَرَّةَ، فهو خاتِم، بكسر التاء، والإناءُ مَخْتومٌ، والآلةُ، التي استعملها الخاتِمُ في الخَتْم، هي الخَاتَمُ. فالفرق بين{ الخَاتَم }، بفتح التاء، و{ الخَاتِم }، بكسر التاء، واضحٌ، لا يخفى إلا على الصُّمِّ العُمْيِ، و?إِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى وَلَا تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا وَلَّوْا مُدْبِرِينَ?.
وذكرت أيضًا أن حقيقةَ الخَتْمِ- في اللغة- هي السَّدُّ على الإناء، والغَلْقُ على الكتاب، بطين ونحوه، مع وضع علامة مرسومة في خَاتَم؛ لِيَمْنَعَ ذلك من فتْح المختوم. والختم على الإناء لا يكون إلا بعد الانتهاء من إتمامه. وإذا خُتِمَ لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يزاد عليه شيء. ولإفادة هذا المعنى، قال تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، ولم يقل:{ آخَرِ النَّبِيِّينَ }؛ لأن الخَاتَم هو الطين، الذي يُخْتَمُ به، وهو الآلةُ، التي يَخْتِمُ بها الخَاتِمُ على الشيء عند الانتهاء منه، اسْتيثاقًا من ألاَّ يخرجَ منه شيءٌ، أو يدخلَ فيه شيءٌ؛ فلهذا كان قول{ خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ}أبلغَ وأعمَّ من لفظ { آخَر النَّبِيِّينَ}، وأدقَّ منه في التعبير عن المراد؛ لأنه يجمع بين معنيين، فدل على أن كل{ خاتَم }هو { آخَر }، وليس كل { آخَر }هو { خاتَم }. وهذا يعني: أن لفظ{ آخر }لا يدل على معنى الخَتْم؛ كما يدلُّ عليه لفظ { خاتَم }،هذا من جهة. ومن جهة أخرى فإن{ الخَاتَمَ }اشتُقَّ اسمًا من الخَتْمِ؛ لِيُخْتَمَ به على الشيء، الذي يراد خَتْمُه، لا ليُتَزَيَّن به. هذا هو الأصل في المراد من اشتقاقلفظ{ الخَاتَم }، حتى الخَاطِبُ، الذي يضع{الخَاتَم }في أصبعه في أيامنا هذه؛ إنما يضعه؛ لِيَرْمُزَ به إلى انتهاء مرحلة من مراحل حياته، هي مرحلة العزوبة؛ وليبدأ بعدها مرحلة أخرى من مراحل حياته هي مرحلة الزواج؛ فكأنه خَتَمَ بهذا الخَاتَم، الذي وضعه في أصبعه على مرحلةٍ من مراحل حياته، لا يمكن أن تعود بعد دخوله المرحلة الثانية.
هذا وقد بيَّنتْ قِراءةُ بن مسعود رضي الله عنه:?ولَكِنْ نَبِيًّا خَتَمَ النَّبَيِّينَ ?المراد من قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?بيانًا لا لبس فيه، ولا غموض?لِمَنْ كَانَ لَهُ قَلْبٌ أَوْ أَلْقَى السَّمْعَ وَهُوَ شَهِيدٌ?؛ كما بيَّنه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في حديث آخر، رواه مسلم، وهو قوله عليه الصلاة والسلام:« فُضِّلْتُ على الأنبياء بستٍّ: أُعطيتُ جَوامعَ الكلِم، ونُصِرْتُ بالرُّعْبِ، وأُحِلَّتْ لي الغنائمُ، وجُعِلَتْ لي الأرضُ مسجدًا وطهورًا، وأُرْسِلْتُ إلى الخلْق كافَّةً، وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون».فكيف يُختَمُ به- عليه الصلاة والسلام- النبيون، إن لم يكن هو خَاتَمُهم، وآخر نبي فيهم ؟ وكيف لم يُغلَق بَابُ النُّبُوَّة، وقد ختمه الله تعالى بخاتَم النبيين ؟
بقي أن نعلم أن الخَتْمَ على الشيء لا يزول أبدًا إلا بأمر من الله تعالى؛ لأنه هو واضع الخَتْم سبحانه وتعالى. فليس للإنسان يدٌ في فضِّه، أو إزالته، خلافًا لمن يدَّعي ذلك؛ ولهذا ذكرت في مقالي السابق أن الخَتْمَ على القلوب يمنع من الإيمان منعًا تامًّا، بخلاف الطَّبْع؛ ولهذا أيضًا قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في الحديث السابق:«وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون»، بالبناء للمجهول، فلا يُبعَث بعده نبيٌّ، ولا رسولٌ. ويؤيد ذلك ما أخرجه عبد بن حُمَيْدٍ عن الحسن- رضي الله عنه- في قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، قال:”ختم الله النبيين بمحمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وكان آخَر من بُعِثَ “.وقال البيهقي في(شعب الإيمان ):”والخاتم: الذي لا نبي بعده؛ كما ليس بعد خاتمة الأمر منه شيءٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكتاب نشرٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكيس إخراجُ شيء منه “.
ولهذا كله أقول: ليس لمدَّع بعد هذا البيان أن يدَّعي أن المراد بـ:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?:زينة النبيين، أو أحسنهم، وأكملهم، وأفضلهم. وليس: آخَرهم، وأن باب النُّبُوَّة لم يُغلَق؛ إلا إذا كان المدَّعي مُتَنَبِيًا، قد تلقَّى علومه في جامعات لندن، وباريس، ونيويورك،؛ لأن تلك الجامعات هي مصدر الوحي والإلهام الرباني في العصر الحديث لمثل أولئك. ولعلها هي التي أوحت للقاديانيين أن { الخاتَِم }، إذا أضيف إلى جمع العقلاء فلا يكون إلا بمعنى: الأفضل والأكمل.
وليت شعري ماذا يقولون في إضافة لفظ { خَاتَم }إلى { ربِّ العالمين }في حديث أبي هريرة، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، قال:«آمين، خَاتَمُ رَبِّ العالمينَ على لسان عباده المؤمنين ». قال أَبو بكر معناه: أنه طابَعُ الله على عباده؛ لأنه يدفع به عنهم الآفات والبلايا، فكان كخَاتَم الكتاب، الذي يصونه، ويمنع من فساده، وإظهار ما فيه لمن يكره علمه به، ووقوفه على ما فيه !

take ur time and foucs plzz then post what u think
evry thing it's clear here like sun in the sky and if u think what i post here is wrong then this case still a lose case

the translet
What is the truth talk "Say Seal of the Prophets do not say no prophet after him"?









First - A Nuwayri in (Nihayat in the arts of literature): "a woman claimed prophethood to the era of safe, I brought him, he said to her: Who are you? She said: "I am Fatima prophetess. He said to her safe: Do you believe what Muhammad brought peace be upon him? She said: Yes. Everything that comes with it, is right. Said safe: He said Muhammad peace be upon him: «no prophet after me». She said: "Believe peace be upon him, is said: no prophetess me? Safe for those who attended said: I have broken down, it had an argument, let him come out, and laughed even covered his face. "

This woman, who claimed prophethood at the time of the safe did not receive revelation Nbutea of the (London) The source of revelation, and its source in the modern era; also received a revelation prophethood of prophet Mirza Ahmad Ghulam Qadiani; but this did not understand the meaning of dimensionality in the hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him; as understanding is, and his followers. That conversation, which denied the peace be upon him, denied the firm to be a prophet after the hour; because {Seal of the Prophets}; as described God says so, and he described himself, in many of his words, frequent; interpretation of the peace and blessings of Ali, may God bless him, while his successor in his family in the Battle of Tabuk: «The satisfied that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses; but no prophet after me? ».

He came saying peace be upon him: «only Onhla prophet after me», explaining to the words of God:? Seal of the Prophets?. This was also acknowledged by the plaintiff prophet Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, and approved by the author (turban humans), he said, after quoting the verse:? But Rcolallah and the Seal of the Prophets?, Said: "interpreted by our Prophet peace be upon him in saying:« no prophet after me »" . He said in the book (Wild): "It was modern:« no prophet after me »is known, widespread among the people to a certain extent, can not be a doubt in his health."

It recognizes that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon His Prophet is, and saying: «no prophet after me» came to explaining the meaning:? And the Seal of the Prophets?, And it is known, and diffuse among the people to a certain extent, can not be questioned in a health.

The problem is - if - when Qadiani Mutanabi Ahmed Ghulam is not in a health talk, and not his health, although Esctahed on the veracity of his claim of prophecy interviews weak, and fabricated; but the problem is is that the others did not understand the truth, and the secret that lies in the concept of Prophethood ended for {Seal of the Prophets}; as understood by it. They did not understand a posteriori, as stipulated in the Hadith; also understand he and his followers.

As for the concept {seal of prophethood} has announced his presence that they believe in the fact that the Prophet peace be upon him {Seal of the Prophets} foresight full, taught by God. And confirms that God Kcflehm fact {seal of prophethood}, so find the drink of knowledge, which is irrigated to him, No one imagined the thrill, but who are irrigated from the spring.

And his followers also recognized that the act {seal}, in the language, means: completed and closed; It also means: printing. The {ring}, or {} in the ring language, it means: what is placed in the finger for decoration. What used to seal or ratify, or what used to seal or closure.

They admit it; but they say: "If you add {ring}, or {ring}, or {Conclusion} to collection wise, it would mean only the best and most perfect, which was what I did not come, will come one who came before him or after him the same; . As well as the means of bringing together the best of the former work and the effects and advantages, and then penned in decorate a picture, then leave the impact and nature of those who came after him. And thus have reached perfection attributed to him, so that does not reach a rank of those who came before, or those who came after him. "

Based on the above, they find that the concept of {} Seal of the Prophets determines the features of a prophet after the Prophet peace be upon him in a clear and obvious. This concept was only to show superiority of the Prophet among the Prophets on the one hand, and the continuation of Prophethood after him, on the other hand, non-interrupted. But they restrict the terms of prophecy, were not present previously, and Ihsrunha in the Islamic nation. They claim that Ghulam Mutanabi is the promised Messiah. They were transferred for the presence of the meaning of {Seal of the Prophets} a funny story, not least the novelty of the story Almtenbip Fatima with safe, they said: "tells Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad - may Allah have mercy on him - the fourth Caliph of Imam Mahdi, peace be upon him, that in his college years (b London ) was a professor of Egypt, is studying Arabic. On one occasion in the presence of books on the subject of the Umayyad state the following: «The Marwan bin Muhammad, the Seal of the Umayyad caliphs». Teacher said to him: No, this is not correct, type: «Marwan bin Mohammed last of the Umayyad caliphs». Emptiness around him, he told his teacher: "So why insist that the meaning of {} Seal of the Prophets: This is the last of."

He adds his followers, saying: "Similarly, we can say:« The Harun al-Rashid is the seal of the successors of the Abbasids ». This view would be acceptable to the listener, and would be well received; because Harun al-Rashid was the greatest successors of the Abbasids, has established the rules of the State and excellence in various aspects; but if we say: «The Musta'sim The ring of the successors of the Abbasids», as the last, the listener will not accept that never. "

It appears from the statements of the group infidel consensus of the Muslims that they did not differ from others who preceded them, and their ilk. They rely conversations are weak, developed, and the statements of their predecessors who claim they are scholars of the earlier great scholars, and Salehaihm - in their own words - in support of their ideas rotten, and dissemination among the public, and play with words, place the the rude elsewhere without distinction between them in the meaning, drawn from the texts which agrees whim, and supports their ideas.

Secondly - I have already indicated in my previous article (reply to Qadiani, and the Seal of the Prophets) that the ring - opening V - is a clay thing stamped on the topic. They were engraved on the template where the mark, or write, print them on clay, which concludes it, so do not come out of it something, which excludes nothing. And the ring - a broken-na - is an effective seal stamped on the thing. And has been read by the verse:? Seal of the Prophets?. Said: seal the pot, or jar, seal it, break na, and the vessel is sealed, and the machine, used by the ring on the seal, is the ring. The difference between {ring}, opening V, and {ring}, break na, clearly, is no secret only to the blind, deaf, and? You do not hear the dead do not make the deaf hear, and if their backs?.

She also stated that the fact that the seal - in the language - is a dam on the vessel, and closing the book, the ventricle and the like, with a painted sign in the ring; to prevent it from opening sealed. The seal on the vessel can be achieved only after the completion of its completion. If the seal is not something out of it, should not be given anything. To benefit this sense, he says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Did not say: {last of the Prophets}; because the ring is clay, which is sealed by, a machine, which stamped the seal on the thing when completed, Astithaqa of not come out of it all, or enters something; Hence the saying {Seal of the Prophets} told the more general term {last of the Prophets}, and more accurate than in the expression to be; because it combines those concerned, which indicates that each {ring} is {last}, and not all the {last} is the {ring}. This means: that the word {last} does not indicate the meaning of the seal; as indicated by the word {ring}, this hand. On the other hand, the {ring} a name derived from the seal; to complete the tags on the thing, which is intended to seal, not to heap yet. This is the original in the meaning of Achtakkaklfez {ring}, so the suitor, which puts {ring} in the finger these days; but puts it; to symbolize him to the end stage of his life, is the stage of celibacy; and begin after the other stage of his life is a stage marriage; as if this seal ring, which was placed in his finger on the stage of his life, can not return after entering the second phase.

This has shown reading bin Masood may Allah be pleased with him:? But a prophet Seal of the Prophets? The meaning of the verse:? Seal of the Prophets? Statement is unequivocal, and unambiguous? Those who have a heart, or hearing a martyr?; As with the Messenger of Allah upon him in another hadeeth narrated by Muslim, which is saying peace be upon him: «I preferred the prophets Best: given the conciseness of speech, Nusrat horror, and transmitting spoils me and made me land a mosque and pure, and sent to all creation, and seal my prophets». How concludes it - peace be upon him - the prophets, if not the Final Prophet, and including the last prophet? And why has not closed the door of prophecy, God has stamped the seal of the prophets?

It remains to be know that the seal on the thing does not pass away except by order of God; because it is the author of Seal the Almighty. No human hand in silver, or removed, unlike those who claim to do so; This stated in my previous article that the seal on the hearts prevents faith strictly, other than printing; That is also why the Prophet peace be upon him in the hadeeth quoted above: «In conclusion, my prophets», construction of the unknown, not a matter after the Prophet, or Messenger. This is supported by what was narrated by Abdullah bin Hamid al-Hasan - may Allah be pleased with him - says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Said: "the seal of God of the Prophets Muhammad peace be upon him, the last of the letter." Al-Bayhaqi said in the (people of faith): " and the ring: that no prophet after him; and not after the conclusion of command anything from him, and not after completing the book was published, not after sealing the bag out something from it. "

For this, I would say: You do not prosecutor after this statement to claim that what is meant by:? Seal of the Prophets?: Accessories of the Prophets, or highly qualified, and Okmlhm, and the best. And not: most recently, of prophecy and that the door is not closed; only if the plaintiff Mtenbia, has educated at the universities of London, Paris, New York; because these universities are the source of divine revelation and inspiration in the modern era to like those. Perhaps it is suggested that the Viadeanyen {ring}, when added to the collection not only be rational in the sense: the best and fullest.

I wonder what they say to add the word {ring} to {} Lord of the Worlds in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: «Amen, Ring Lord of the Worlds on the lips of the faithful slaves». Abu Bakr said means: he was the character of God to worship; because it pays them by the pests and plagues, was the seal of the book, which kept up, and prevent corruption, and show what it hates those who knew him, and standing on it!



take ur time and foucs plzz then post what u think

evry thing it's clear here like sun in the sky and if u think what i post here is wrong then this case still a lose case

LOL yeh it was a mistake stupid mistake from me putting me in embarresing place but i told u and post that mean the same mean

there s alot of reader in quran and assem alqufi read it by fateh alta and other read it by kaser alta
and the mean still the same

There are two problems here. One is that the meaning is not being taken as per the Quran itself. It is being limited to the present day understanding of the word. Moreover, even the work aakher did not have the meaning of last, in some cases. There is a hadith where the Prophet (saw) said: inni aakherul anbiyaa wa innahu akherul masaajid.

That is why it is so important to understand the Quran.

If khataam means last, even with a fathah on the taa', then it would contradict this verse of the Quran:

يَا بَنِي آدَمَ إِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي فَمَنِ اتَّقَى وَأَصْلَحَ فَلاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

It is very clear that this verse is all in the mudhaari'. According to this Muslims should always be waiting for messengers.

Again, I am pleading that you should have fear of Allah and stick to the first translations you did of the word khaatam and khaatim.

Also, you should understand that because the Law of Muhammad (saw) is the best law, that naturally means that no more laws will come after Quran. This is a logical conclusion from the expression used. But the expression by itself does not mean 'last prophet." It means 'seal of the prophets.'

It was not a mistake. Believe me. You were thinking naturally and using the language properly. It is your belief that has made you change the language. So, no, you were right. And it is exactly how those words should be translated.

Unfortunately, this is the problem with Muslim scholars, they are trying to change the Quranic Arabic. It is sad but fortunately that the Quran has tashkeel, otherwise we would have a really big problem.

no it's take by tafsier alquran not from our minds
and the hadith mean the propht is the last propht


LOL no it was a mistake
and i can tell u that i will become a shiite and don't belive about qadiani (astghferallah )

like i post it's a lose case and i start with mistake
i just wish i didn't start with this mistake because evry thing was diffrent

btw u didn't tell me if u read and understanbd ma last post
?

I responded to your last post on post #16.

You don't have believe in Ahmadiyyat, but I can tell you one thing: my beliefs do not contradict the Quran. Your beliefs do. On the one hand you say that the Prophet (saw) is the last prophet, but then the Quran is prophesying of other prophets that may come. What you have said is like a Christian who can't accept any other God by Jesus.

And believe me you did not make a mistake. You just miscalculated by not reading the verse first before posting your first post. Otherwise, you would have never said that khataam (with fath) means ring.

????

Your letter on post 19 has no substance. It is like the Christians and the Jews who are abusing Muslims without proof.

If you are really interested in learning then try this: http://www.alislam.org/mta/index.php?stream=5 double click for full screen

brother im giveing all my attentions and keep post about what u talking but u don't give any things !!!
about my last post and about i said there s alot of reader in quran and one of them asseem alqufi but u ignor this !!!
so u like who catch something on me and stick on it !
im not a mullah and u should know that (and it was the first time i know about this religine here when sangar told me about qadiani and it's the first week and i saw alot of lie in this religine and merza what u think if i was mullah (i don't wanna be mullah ) )
i was thinking it's easy to make diffrent on ur mind because this religine it's bigest fake religine i saw and heard about (i don't mean offence but thats what i think )
can u answer me if u don't mind
how old r u ?

I have given you everything that is needed with respect to what you have presented. Don't expect a magical solution. The magical solution is in your own mind. You have to come to terms with that in your own logic.

The sad factor about Muslims is that they don't accept what the Quran says in its entirety. They stick to one verse, and that being misunderstood, and then they claim that they have the answer and don't need anything else.

I have presented to you the importance of the fathah on the taa' and then I presented another verse that would contradict the Quran if the word khaatam meant 'last.'

My brother you can't pick and choose, you need to accept the whole Quran.

I am 30.

not relly old mashallah steal young and mybe i can change ur mind :P
so u said u given evrything was needed about my post ??
i guess no but let's say yes
i will say it in english because i know alot of member's watching and read what we post so khaatam mean like i said the last
and khaatama word take from khatama (Print (verb)) (it's mean in english Seal ) like the end
so god said in other ayaa
قال الله تعالى: خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
7 - (ختم الله على قلوبهم) طبع عليها واستوثق فلا يدخلها خير (وعلى سمعهم) أي مواضعه فلا ينتفعون بما يسمعونه من الحق (وعلى أبصارهم غشاوة) غطاء فلا يبصرون الحق (ولهم عذاب عظيم) قوي دائم
the red word it's khatama
the ayaa mean- God hath set a seal On their hearts and on their hearing, And on their eyes is a veil; Great is the penalty they (incur)


and about the ring
khatam means ring and i will tell u why khatam means ring
because the ring The thing which is surrounded by finger and Paavola from evry side
and thats mean the propht muhammed was the last propht
so whats now ???
i close evry door on this !

^^^^ and please read this post it's clear enough

meemwaw, fahd is right, dont be stubborn

thanx

Ya azizi fahd,

khatama/yakhtamu (to seal) is a verb (fi'l) it needs a doer (faa'il) and something to be done upon (maf'ul bihi).
khaatam (a ring, a signet ring, a seal (stamp)) is a noun (ism).

don't confuse the two.

The expression used is Khaatamun Nabiyyeen. The Seal (stamp, the authority) of the Prophets.

If the word was khaatim (the sealer), the translation would be different. khaatim is a present participle (ism faa'il).
If it was Khaatimun Nabiyyeen, the translation would be: the sealer of the Prophets. The sealer of the prophets does not make sense. You would have to change the second word also. The second word would have to be nabuwat (prophethood).

So it would have to khaatimun nabuwat, The sealer of prophethood. If it was this then you are all right. But then again it is not this.

i told u rings mean close
and if u want to understand it by this way
so god close the door of propht like the ring is close in finger
can u understand this now ???
or u will say the same things again ???

I edited my post.

Your logic does not make sense. A ring does not end anything brother.

i told u a ring close from evry side
and the propht door closed after last propht muhammed
and u mistake in the ayaa
Khaatamun Nabiyyeen
it's khaatama nabiyyeen
do u remember when u said fatha and make alot of post about that
now u said u (zhamma )and the word is a (fatha )

Fahd, astaghfirullah, you are now changing the verse again. first you said it was khaatim, now you are saying it khaatama, as in the verb? What is wrong with you?

khaatama/yukhaatimu/al mukhaatamah does not exist. Even if it did: the translation would be: He finished with/to do to prophets. This grammatically does not make sense. I am pretty sure that you are aware that the Arabic grammar roots from the Quran. So, how could the Quran make such an erroneous mistake?

For Allah's sake please don't change the Quran in order to fit your understanding.

I mentioned earlier that Rasulullah (saw) has called Hadhrat Ali (ra) Khaatamal Awliyya. I am pretty sure he knew how to use the Arabic language better than you. Also, in order to prove your interpretation right, you would have to bring an example on how to use that word. I provided you one which was the same expression used with Hadhrat Ali (ra). I also gave you another example with Al Mutanabbi, Khatamal Shu'araa'.

Fahd, please don't change the Quran.

Most translators have that much fear of Allah that they translate this verse as Seal of the Prophets. Please follow them.

ok guy's im changeing the quran
for god sake what thats pic mean ??

i said it's khatama not like u said khatamu <<< ??
so u don't wanna belive anything !!
i think i was wrong when i was think that mybe i will change ur mind but !!
i did make theard about member will show and read our post's and vote for who is right
if were u was right i will stop talk about something bigger than me :P
so let's see what they gona do
btw we didn't talk about merza family and ur qipla masseged and where u ppl doing hajj
in qadian city
plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz vote guy's in hugra plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I beg you :P

For Allah's sake don't accuse me of anything improper.

Do you even read what I write? If you did you would have understood what I was trying to say.

Khaatama is mansoob, it has nothing to do with it being a verb.

We do Hajj in Mecca.

evry arabic post i translet it by google i take from site's but the other's i post them
not all from site's :P

[Fahd]

we talk about muhammed the last propht and i gived him the ayaa and he said thats not mean what u thin so i gived him hadith

salam


thats the aproov hadith
The Holy Prophet (PBUH) observed: "The tribe of Israel was guided by prophets. When a prophet passed away, another prophet succeeded him. But no prophet will come after me; only caliphs will succeed me." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).
The Prophet of God (PBUH) affirmed: "My position in relation to the prophets who came before me can be explained by the following example:

A man erected a building and adorned this edifice with great beauty, but he left an empty niche, in the corner where just one brick was missing. People looked around the building and marvelled at its beauty, but wondered why a brick was missing from that niche? I am like unto that one missing brick and I am the last in the line of the Prophets." (Bukhari, Kitab-ul-Manaqib).

huh !!
i study arabic for 20 years i mean arabic languege's
and thats word mean the last
بفتح الخاء وكسر التاء it's mean the last like it's in quran
بفتح الخاء وفتح التاء it's mean ring
brother arabic langueg have alot of deffcult things arab can't understand it well and they are arab
do u think ahmad mirza can understand it more than them !!

now what u gona tell me !!!!

then

First of all, you should acquaint yourself with what the Quranic verse is:

As you can see, in the Quran it is bi fatah haa' wa fatah taa'. This means that the real translation of the word is not last, it is ring or signet ring, meaning seal. This is the translation you will find in most translation.

stick to a mistake (it's not mistakle because some who read the quran read it like that in past but now they take asseem alqufi reader in quran )

The second point you should take into consideration is that the Khatamun Nabiyyeen is al mudhaaf mudhaaf ilaihi, and khatam is not ism faa'il.

This means that the usage of the word Khatam here is idiomatic. It means that no one can ever surpass Hadhrat Muhammad (saw). The title khatimiyat has been given to many people in the past. For example, in the diwaan of Al Mutanabi it is written: Khatamal Shu'araa'. Does this mean that no poet ever came after him? Of course not. It means that he is the best. Also, one of the titles of Hadhrat 'Ali (ra) is: Khatamal Awliyaa'. Does this mean that no one else can ever reach to the stage of sainthood? Of course not. It means that Hadrhat 'Ali (ra) has reached the highest level of sainthood. This title was given to him by Hadhrat Muhammad (saw).

^ i didn't understand this well but he talk about what ppl call other and about what god write it in quran !!

thats what aaseem alqufi read it
ختم الله به النبوة ، وقرأ عاصم : " خاتم " بفتح التاء على الاسم ، أي : آخرهم ، وقرأ الآخرون بكسر التاء على الفاعل ، لأنه ختم به النبيين فهو خاتمهم .]

قال ابن عباس : يريد لو لم أختم به النبيين لجعلت له ابنا يكون بعده نبيا .

it's the same meaning
u can read arabic right ?

ختم الله به النبوة ، وقرأ عاصم : " خاتم " بفتح التاء على الاسم ، أي : آخرهم ، وقرأ الآخرون بكسر التاء على الفاعل ، لأنه ختم به النبيين فهو خاتمهم .]
khatama allah behe alnubuwa asseem read it khatama (by fatah alta ) (in english he read it after t is a )that mean :the last and other read it khateema (bby kaser alta ) (in english other read it after t is e )and still the same meaning

قال ابن عباس : يريد لو لم أختم به النبيين لجعلت له ابنا يكون بعده نبيا
this hadith i can't translate it well do ma best
(if i don't want to make him the last propht i would have son after him who was going to the propht )

ohh brother u can't Comparison btw what god said and ppl saying !!
god said in quran no one in this earth can give u like what in quran .

and i told u there s alot of deffrent read in quran and the meaning is the same

btw what about the hadith it's clear like the sun rise

I can read.

But that is not what is written in the Quran. It is bi fatah taa'. Also, Hadhrat Ali (ra) told Abi Abdur Rahman Assalamiyye (ra) to teach Hasan and Hussein khatamun nabiyyen bi fatah taa': iqraahumaa wa khatamun nabiyyeen bi fatah taa'.

From this it is very clear that one must keep the fatah on the taa' otherwise it would change the whole meaning.

i did told u that!!! in ma last post ??

The hadith does not mean that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) is the last prophet. It simply means that the law Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) brought is final.

Also, Hadhrat Aishah has said: qulu khatamun nabiyyeen wa laa taqulu la nabi ba'duhu.

Also, I gave you an example that Hadhrat Muhammad (saw) gave the title Khatamal Awliyaa' to Hadhrat Ali (ra). So, you can't say that 'people' said. It is our own prophet who used this word.

la hwal wla quata ellah be allah ???

{خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ } أن النبوة ختمت بنبوته، فلا نبي بعده إلى أن تقوم السَّاعة. أي: أنه لا تبدأ نبوة، ولا تشرَّع شريعة بعد نبوته وشرعته، فهو آخر الأنبياء عليهم السلام. ويلزم من كونه صلى الله عليه وسلم {خَاتَم النَّبِيِّينَ }كونه { خَاتَم المُرْسَلينَ }؛ إذ لا رسالة إلا بنبوة. ولهذا يقال: كل رسول نبيٌّ، وليس كل نبيٍّ رسولاً.

وقد ثبت عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه قال لعلي بن أبي طالب كرم الله وجهه، حين خلَّفه في أهله في غزوة تبوك، فقال: يا رسول الله ! تخرج، وأقعد مع النساء والولدان ؟ فقال له النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم:«أما ترضى أن تكون منِّي بمنزلة هارون من موسى؛ إلا أنه لا نبيَّ بعدي». فرضي عليٌّ، رضي الله عنه.
وثبت عنه أيضًا قوله:«أنا محمد، وأنا أحمد، وأنا الحاشر، الذي يُحشَر الناس على قدمي، وأنا العاقبُ، الذي ليس بعدي نبيٌّ». فذكر عليه الصلاة والسلام من أسمائه:{ العاقب }، وبيَّنه بقوله:«الذي لا نبيَّ بعده»، فدل بذلك على أنه آخر الأنبياء والرسل عليهم الصلاة والسلام؛ لأن كل رسول نبيٌّ، فلا يبعَث بعده، لا رسولٌ، ولا نبيٌّ. فمن ادَّعى النبوة والرسالة بعده، أو صدَّق مُدَّعِي النبوة بعده، فهو كافر بالله عز وجل، مكذب لله ولرسوله، ولإجماع المسلمين، ويجب أن يُقَصَّ عنقُه، إلا أن يتوب ويرجع

and read this for u about fateh alta
قوله تعالى:﴿ وَلَكِنْ رَّسُولَ اللَّهِ وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ﴾ بأن المعنى: زينة النبيين، وليس آخرهم.
وهذا التأويل لا يصحُّ إلا في لغة الأعاجم، وأما في اللغة، التي أنزل الله تعالى بها القرآن، فلا يصحُّ أبدًا؛ بل لا يجوز؛ لأنه تحريف للكلم عن مواضعه. ولا يقول: إن بعدي، بمعنى: معي، وأن{ الخاتَم } بمعنى:{ الزينة }، إلا جاهل بلغة العرب، أو متجاهل خبيث شرير، غرضه إثارة الشبهات، ووضع السمِّ في الدَّسَم، ولا يخفى ذلك إلا على ضعاف النفوس والإيمان
الخاتَِم، بفتح التاء وكسرها، اشتقاقهما من الخَتْمِ. والختم- في اللغة-ينبئ عن إتمام الشئ، وبلوغ آخره. يقال: فلانٌ خَتَمَ عليك بابه، إذا أعْرَض عنك. وخَتَمَ فلانٌ لك بابَهُ، إذا آثرَك على غيرك. وخَتَم فلانٌ القُرآن، إذا أتمَّ قراءته، أو حفظه إلى آخره. وخاتِمة السورة: آخرها.واخْتَتَمَ الشيء نَقيض افتَتَحه. وخاتَم كل شيء، وخاتِمه، وخِتامه: عاقبتُه وآخرهُ. وخِتامُ الوادي: أقصاه. وقوله تعالى:﴿خِتَامُهُ مِسْكٌ﴾(المطففين:26). أي: آخرُ ما يجدونه منه عند شربهم إياه رائحةُ المسك. ويقرأ:{ خَاتِمهُ مِسْكٌ }. أي: عاقبتُه ريحُ المسك. وخِتامُ كلِّ مشروبٍ، وخاتَِمُه: آخِرُه. وقال الفراء: قرأَ عليٌّ عليه السلام:{خَاتِمُه مِسْكٌ }، وقال: أَما رأَيتَ المرأَةَ تقول للعطَّار: اجعلْ لي خَاتِمَه مِسكًا. تريد: آخرَه ؟ وقال الفراء: والخاتِمُ والخِتامُ متقاربان في المعنى، إِلاَّ أَن الخاتِمَ: الاسمُ، والخِتام: المصدر.
وحقيقةُ الخَتْمُ: السَّدُّ على الإناء، والغَلْقُ على الكتاب، بطين ونحوه، مع وضع علامة مرسومة في خاتَم؛ ليمنع ذلك من فتح المختوم. فإذا فُتِح علم صاحبه أنه فتِح، لفسادٍ يظهر في أثر النقش. وقد اتخذ النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم خاتَمًا لذلك. وقد كانت العرب تختم على قوارير الخمر؛ ليصلحها انحباس الهواء عنها، وتسلم من الأقذار في مدة تعتيقها. والخَتْمُ: أَفواه خَلايا النَّحْل. والخَتْمُ أَن تَجمع النحلُ من الشَّمَع شيئًا رقيقًا، أَرقَّ من شَمَع القُرْص، فَتَطْلِيَه به.
والخاتَم، بفتح التاء، الطين الموضوع على المكان المختوم. وأطلق على القالَبِ المنقوش فيه علامة، أو كتابة، يطبَع بها على الطين، الذي يُختَم به، بحيث لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يدخل فيه شيء. والخِتام: الطين الذي يُخْتَمَ به على كتابٍ. ويقال: هو الخَتْم، يعني: الطين الذي يُختَم به. والخِتَامُ هو أن تُثار الأرضُ بالبَذرِ حتى يصير البذرُ تحتها، ثم يسقونها. وخَتْمُ البَذر: تغطيته؛ ولذلك قيل للزَّارِعِ: كافرٌ؛ لأنه يغطِّى البَذْر بالتراب. قال الله تعالى:﴿ خَتَمَ اللّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ ﴾(البقرة:7)، فجعل على قلوب الكافرين، وأسماعهم خَتْمًا؛ كختم الطين على الجرَّة؛ ليكون لها مانعًا، يمنعها من ألَّا يدخل فيها شيء، أو يخرج منها شيء. أما أبصارهم فجعل عليها غشاوة؛ لتكون مانعة لها من الرؤية منعًا، لا يكون معه إلا العمى؛ وذلك لأنهم لم يؤمنوا. وقال تعالى:﴿ذَلِكَ بِأَنَّهُمْ آَمَنُوا ثُمَّ كَفَرُوا فَطُبِعَ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ فَهُمْ لَا يَفْقَهُونَ﴾(المنافقون:3)، فجعل على قلوب المنافقين طابعًا، يمنعها من الفهم والعقْل منعًا، لا يرقى إلى المنع بالختم، وبالغشاوة؛لأنهم آمنوا، ثم كفروا.
وقوله تعالى:﴿ الْيَوْمَ نَخْتِمُ عَلَى أَفْوَاهِهِمْ ﴾(يس:65). أي: نمنعهم من الكلام. والختم على الأفواه، والقلوب قريب معناه من القَفْل. والخَاتَم والخَاتِمُ: من أسماء النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، وسمِّي بذلك لأن الله تعالى ختم به الأنبياء والرسل، وتمَّمَهم به، بحيث لا يأتي بعده نبيٌّ، ولا يبعث ممَّن قبله نبيٌّ؛ كما يختم بالطين على الجرَّة، بحيث لا يدخل فيها شيء، ولا يخرج منها شيء، فليُتأمَّل ! ويدل على ذلك قراءة ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه:{ ولَكِنْ نَبِيًّا خَتَمَ النَّبَيِّينَ }.
tell us what u understand from this ?

thats the translet from google translate
{} Seal of the Prophets that Prophethood ended his prophethood, there is no Prophet after him until you have time. Ie: it does not begin to prophecy, and does not legislate law after the break and legitimized, is the last of the prophets. And necessary as peace be upon him} {Seal of the Prophets as messengers {ring}; message as not only the Prophethood. Hence it is said: the Messenger of every prophet, and not every prophet messenger.

It was proven that the Prophet peace be upon him, he said to Ali bin Abi Talib, may Allah honor his face, while his successor in his family in the Battle of Tabuk, he said: O Messenger of Allah! Graduate, and I can sit with women and children? The Prophet peace be upon him: «The satisfied that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses; but no prophet after me». Varzi, Ali, may Allah be pleased with him.

It was also narrated as saying: «I am Mohammed, Ahmed I, I am today, which people will be gathered at my feet, and I carriage, which is not dimensions of the Prophet». Stated upon him blessings and peace of names: {carriage}, and him saying: «that no prophet after him», indicates that as the last of the prophets and messengers peace be upon them; because every prophet messenger, do not send after him, not the Messenger, nor a prophet. It is claimed prophethood and the message after that, or sincerity of claimants to Prophethood after him, he is a disbeliever in Allah Almighty, denying God and His Messenger, and the consensus of the Muslims, must cut his neck, only to repent and return







and read this for u about fateh alta

Verse, but the Messenger of Allah and the Seal of the Prophets (meaning that: Accessories of the Prophets, and not the last.

This interpretation is not valid only in the language of the Persians, and in either language, which God sent down the Qur'an, there is never true; but may not be; because the distortion of kilometers on the themes. Do not say: "me, ie: me, and that the ring {ie}: {pet}, but ignorant of the language of the Arabs, or ignored malignant evil, its purpose to raise suspicions, and put poison in the fat, is no secret that only weak people, and faith

The ring, opening V and breaking, their derivation of the seal. And seal - in language - predicated on the completion of the thing, and the attainment of the end. Said: So you need to seal the door, if you introduce. The person you seal the door, if preferred thee above the others. In conclusion, the Quran so and so, if you did read it, or save it to the end. Sura and a conclusion: the end. In conclusion, contrary to the thing opened. And the seal of all, the ring, and its conclusion: consequences and so on. And the end of the valley: by. And says Thou wilt ((Mutaffifin: 26). Ie: the last thing they find him drinking from it when the smell of musk. And reads: {ring} caught. Ie: consequences musk. And the conclusion of each drink, and a conclusion: the end. The fur: read Ali peace be upon him: {ring} caught, and he said: "I saw the woman say to the Attar: give me a ring yields hold. You want:, etc.? The fur: the ring and closing are close in meaning, except that the ring: the name, and the conclusion: the source.

The fact seal: Dam on the vessel, and closing the book, the ventricle and the like, with a painted sign in the ring; to prevent it from opening sealed. If he opened the knowledge that it has opened its owner, to the corruption shows the impact of the pattern. Has taken the Prophet peace be upon him a ring to it. Arabs have been stamped on bottles of wine; repairs to the entrapment of air it, and recognizes the filth of the duration of Totaigaha. The seal: the mouths of hives. And seal pool that the bees wax something thin, thinner than the wax disc, Vttalih tags.

And the ring, opening V, mud topic stamped on the place. They were engraved on the template where the mark, or write, print them on clay, which concludes it, so do not come out of it something, which excludes nothing. The conclusion: the mud on the end of his book. It is said: He is the seal, means: clay, which seals it. The conclusion is that the ground raised seedling until it becomes sowing beneath it, then Isagunha. In conclusion, sowing: coverage; Therefore, it was the planter: infidel; because it covers the seed with soil. Almighty God said the seal of God on their hearts and their hearing and on their eyes is a veil ((The Cow: 7), Making the hearts of the unbelievers, and hear of a stamp; interogees mud on the jar; to have a bar, prevents them from not enter the thing, or come out of nothing. The eyes started to mist them; to be proof of its vision to prevent, not only with blindness; because they did not believe. He says that they believed, then disbelieved, therefore their hearts they do not understand ((Hypocrites: 3), Making the hearts of the hypocrites in nature, prevents them from understanding and reason to avoid, does not amount to prevention of sealing, and Balgshaop; because they believed, then disbelieved.

And says This day We seal on their mouths ((Yasin: 65). Ie: stop them from talking. And seal the mouths, hearts and close its meaning from the lock. The ring and the ring: the names of the Prophet peace be upon him, and so named because God seal the prophets and apostles, and Tmmanm tags, so that does not come after the Prophet, not a matter who before the Prophet; also sealed with mud on the jar, so do not include something, or go out None of them, Fletoml! This is indicated by reading Ibn Masood may Allah be pleased with him: {but} a prophet Seal of the Prophets


i know it's not good translete but it's better than nothing

Brother you should have some fear of Allah and don't brush away what I have already responded to.

You first said that khatam has a kasra in the Quran. Then I showed you that you are wrong, it is a fatah. You even said that khatam with a fathah has the meaning of ring. In the Quran it is with fathah, so you should accept it to mean a ring or a seal (these are nouns not verbs).

The examples you have brought forth are the same root but don't reflect what the word is in Khatamun Nabiyyeen. Because you and I both agree that khatam with fathah means ring or seal. Also, I mentioned to you that it is not ism faa'il it is al mudhaaf al mudhaaf ilaihi.

Brother, first stick to Quran. The ahadith which you have mentioned have to be looked at in the light of the Quran. The word ba'ad in Arabic does not only mean after, it also has the meaning, immediately after, in my place, other than me.

yes i said that and i told u that there s alot of reader in quran and aasem alkofi said that and other said it with kaser alta but the mean in the word still the same


{ ختم }،في اللغة، يعني: أنهى وأغلق؛ كما يعني أيضًا: طبع. أما { خاتَم }، أو{ خاتِم }في اللغة، فتعني: ما يوضع في الإصبع للزينة. وما يستخدم للختم أو التصديق، أو ما يستعمل للختم أو الإغلاق.
أن الخاتَم- بفتح التاء- هو الطين الموضوع على الشيء المختوم. وأُطلِقَ على القالَبِ المنقوش فيه علامة، أو كتابة، يُطْبَعُ بها على الطين، الذي يُختَم به، بحيث لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يدخل فيه شيء. وأن الخاتِم- بكسر التاء- هو فاعل الخَتْم على الشيء المختوم. وبهما قرىء قوله تعالى:?خَاتَِمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?. يقال: خَتَم الإناءَ، أو الجَرَّةَ، فهو خاتِم، بكسر التاء، والإناءُ مَخْتومٌ، والآلةُ، التي استعملها الخاتِمُ في الخَتْم، هي الخَاتَمُ. فالفرق بين{ الخَاتَم }، بفتح التاء، و{ الخَاتِم }، بكسر التاء، واضحٌ، لا يخفى إلا على الصُّمِّ العُمْيِ، و?إِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى وَلَا تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا وَلَّوْا مُدْبِرِينَ?.
وذكرت أيضًا أن حقيقةَ الخَتْمِ- في اللغة- هي السَّدُّ على الإناء، والغَلْقُ على الكتاب، بطين ونحوه، مع وضع علامة مرسومة في خَاتَم؛ لِيَمْنَعَ ذلك من فتْح المختوم. والختم على الإناء لا يكون إلا بعد الانتهاء من إتمامه. وإذا خُتِمَ لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يزاد عليه شيء. ولإفادة هذا المعنى، قال تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، ولم يقل:{ آخَرِ النَّبِيِّينَ }؛ لأن الخَاتَم هو الطين، الذي يُخْتَمُ به، وهو الآلةُ، التي يَخْتِمُ بها الخَاتِمُ على الشيء عند الانتهاء منه، اسْتيثاقًا من ألاَّ يخرجَ منه شيءٌ، أو يدخلَ فيه شيءٌ؛ فلهذا كان قول{ خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ}أبلغَ وأعمَّ من لفظ { آخَر النَّبِيِّينَ}، وأدقَّ منه في التعبير عن المراد؛ لأنه يجمع بين معنيين، فدل على أن كل{ خاتَم }هو { آخَر }، وليس كل { آخَر }هو { خاتَم }. وهذا يعني: أن لفظ{ آخر }لا يدل على معنى الخَتْم؛ كما يدلُّ عليه لفظ { خاتَم }،هذا من جهة. ومن جهة أخرى فإن{ الخَاتَمَ }اشتُقَّ اسمًا من الخَتْمِ؛ لِيُخْتَمَ به على الشيء، الذي يراد خَتْمُه، لا ليُتَزَيَّن به. هذا هو الأصل في المراد من اشتقاقلفظ{ الخَاتَم }، حتى الخَاطِبُ، الذي يضع{الخَاتَم }في أصبعه في أيامنا هذه؛ إنما يضعه؛ لِيَرْمُزَ به إلى انتهاء مرحلة من مراحل حياته، هي مرحلة العزوبة؛ وليبدأ بعدها مرحلة أخرى من مراحل حياته هي مرحلة الزواج؛ فكأنه خَتَمَ بهذا الخَاتَم، الذي وضعه في أصبعه على مرحلةٍ من مراحل حياته، لا يمكن أن تعود بعد دخوله المرحلة الثانية

قِراءةُ بن مسعود رضي الله عنه:?ولَكِنْ نَبِيًّا خَتَمَ النَّبَيِّينَ ?المراد من قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?بيانًا لا لبس فيه، ولا غموض?لِمَنْ كَانَ لَهُ قَلْبٌ أَوْ أَلْقَى السَّمْعَ وَهُوَ شَهِيدٌ?؛ كما بيَّنه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في حديث آخر، رواه مسلم، وهو قوله عليه الصلاة والسلام:« فُضِّلْتُ على الأنبياء بستٍّ: أُعطيتُ جَوامعَ الكلِم، ونُصِرْتُ بالرُّعْبِ، وأُحِلَّتْ لي الغنائمُ، وجُعِلَتْ لي الأرضُ مسجدًا وطهورًا، وأُرْسِلْتُ إلى الخلْق كافَّةً، وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون».فكيف يُختَمُ به- عليه الصلاة والسلام- النبيون، إن لم يكن هو خَاتَمُهم، وآخر نبي فيهم ؟ وكيف لم يُغلَق بَابُ النُّبُوَّة، وقد ختمه الله تعالى بخاتَم النبيين ؟
بقي أن نعلم أن الخَتْمَ على الشيء لا يزول أبدًا إلا بأمر من الله تعالى؛ لأنه هو واضع الخَتْم سبحانه وتعالى. فليس للإنسان يدٌ في فضِّه، أو إزالته، خلافًا لمن يدَّعي ذلك؛ ولهذا ذكرت في مقالي السابق أن الخَتْمَ على القلوب يمنع من الإيمان منعًا تامًّا، بخلاف الطَّبْع؛ ولهذا أيضًا قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في الحديث السابق:«وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون»، بالبناء للمجهول، فلا يُبعَث بعده نبيٌّ، ولا رسولٌ. ويؤيد ذلك ما أخرجه عبد بن حُمَيْدٍ عن الحسن- رضي الله عنه- في قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، قال:”ختم الله النبيين بمحمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وكان آخَر من بُعِثَ “.وقال البيهقي في(شعب الإيمان ):”والخاتم: الذي لا نبي بعده؛ كما ليس بعد خاتمة الأمر منه شيءٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكتاب نشرٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكيس إخراجُ شيء منه “.
ولهذا كله أقول: ليس لمدَّع بعد هذا البيان أن يدَّعي أن المراد بـ:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?:زينة النبيين، أو أحسنهم، وأكملهم، وأفضلهم. وليس: آخَرهم، وأن باب النُّبُوَّة لم يُغلَق؛ إلا إذا كان المدَّعي مُتَنَبِيًا، قد تلقَّى علومه في جامعات لندن، وباريس، ونيويورك،؛ لأن تلك الجامعات هي مصدر الوحي والإلهام الرباني في العصر الحديث لمثل أولئك. ولعلها هي التي أوحت للقاديانيين أن { الخاتَِم }، إذا أضيف إلى جمع العقلاء فلا يكون إلا بمعنى: الأفضل والأكمل

the translet
{Seal}, in the language, means: finished and closed; It also means: printing. The {ring}, or {} in the ring language, it means: what is placed in the finger for decoration. What used to seal or ratify, or what used to seal or closure.

That the ring - opening V - is a clay thing stamped on the topic. They were engraved on the template where the mark, or write, print them on clay, which concludes it, so do not come out of it something, which excludes nothing. And the ring - a broken-na - is an effective seal stamped on the thing. And has been read by the verse:? Seal of the Prophets?. Said: seal the pot, or jar, seal it, break na, and the vessel is sealed, and the machine, used by the ring on the seal, is the ring. The difference between {ring}, opening V, and {ring}, break na, clearly, is no secret only to the blind, deaf, and? You do not hear the dead do not make the deaf hear, and if their backs?.

She also stated that the fact that the seal - in the language - is a dam on the vessel, and closing the book, the ventricle and the like, with a painted sign in the ring; to prevent it from opening sealed. The seal on the vessel can be achieved only after the completion of its completion. If the seal is not something out of it, should not be given anything. To benefit this sense, he says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Did not say: {last of the Prophets}; because the ring is clay, which is sealed by, a machine, which stamped the seal on the thing when completed, Astithaqa of not come out of it all, or enters something; Hence the saying {Seal of the Prophets} told the more general term {last of the Prophets}, and more accurate than in the expression to be; because it combines those concerned, which indicates that each {ring} is {last}, and not all the {last} is the {ring}. This means: that the word {last} does not indicate the meaning of the seal; as indicated by the word {ring}, this hand. On the other hand, the {ring} a name derived from the seal; to complete the tags on the thing, which is intended to seal, not to heap yet. This is the original in the meaning of Achtakkaklfez {ring}, even her fiance, which puts {ring} in the finger these days; but puts it; to symbolize him to the end stage of his life, is the stage of celibacy; and begin after the other stage of his life is a stage marriage; as if this seal ring, which was placed in his finger on the stage of his life, can not return after entering the second phase



Read bin Masood may Allah be pleased with him:? But a prophet Seal of the Prophets? The meaning of the verse:? Seal of the Prophets? Statement is unequivocal, and unambiguous? Those who have a heart, or hearing a martyr?; As with the Messenger of Allah peace be upon him in According to another hadeeth narrated by Muslim, which is saying peace be upon him: «I preferred the prophets Best: given the conciseness of speech, Nusrat horror, and transmitting spoils me and made me land a mosque and pure, and sent to all creation, and seal my prophets». how sealed it - it Prayer and peace - the prophets, if not the Final Prophet, and including the last prophet? And why has not closed the door of prophecy, God has stamped the seal of the prophets?

It remains to be know that the seal on the thing does not pass away except by order of God; because it is the author of Seal the Almighty. No human hand in silver, or removed, unlike those who claim to do so; This stated in my previous article that the seal on the hearts prevents faith strictly, other than printing; That is also why the Prophet peace be upon him in the hadeeth quoted above: «In conclusion, my prophets», construction of the unknown, not a matter after the Prophet, or Messenger. This is supported by what was narrated by Abdullah bin Hamid al-Hasan - may Allah be pleased with him - says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Said: "the seal of God of the Prophets Muhammad peace be upon him, the last of the letter." Al-Bayhaqi said in the (people of faith): " and the ring: that no prophet after him; and not after the conclusion of command anything from him, and not after completing the book was published, not after sealing the bag out something from it. "

For this, I would say: You do not prosecutor after this statement to claim that what is meant by:? Seal of the Prophets?: Accessories of the Prophets, or highly qualified, and Okmlhm, and the best. And not: most recently, of prophecy and that the door is not closed; only if the plaintiff Mtenbia, has educated at the universities of London, Paris, New York; because these universities are the source of divine revelation and inspiration in the modern era to like those. Perhaps it is suggested that the Viadeanyen {ring}, when added to the collection not only be rational in the sense: the best and fullest

I have read what you have posted. It is biased and it is misleading Muslims. That is why I presented how Hadhrat Ali (ra) wanted Hasan and Hussein (ra) to be taught. He said: wa khaatam bi fatah taa'. They don't have the same meaning. You even have it on the first post. Also, that is why I am telling you that Khataamun Nabiyyeen is al mudhaaf al mudhaaf ilaihi. The word khaatam is not ism fa'il it is simply an ism, a noun.

This is what you initially posted:

Your first mistake was that you did not read the Quran. This mistake of yours is a blessing because it shows that these two words have to be taken differently. You are now searching for what the "scholars" are saying because you do not want to believe that this word does not mean last.

itaqillah ya akhi.

can u read this !!
and told me if u understand it well

ما حقيقة حديث "قولوا خاتم النبيين ولا تقولوا لا نبي بعده " ؟

أولاً- قال النُّوَيْرِيُّ في( نهاية الأرب في فنون الأدب ):” ادَّعت امْرأةٌ النُّبُوَّة على عهد المأمون، فأُحضِرَتْ إليه، فقال لها: من أنت ؟ قالت: أنا فاطمةُ النَّبِيَّةُ. فقال لها المأمون: أتؤمنين بما جاء به محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟ قالت: نعم. كلُّ ما جاء به، فهو حق. قال المأمون: فقد قال محمد صلى الله عليه وسلم:«لا نبيَّ بعدي ». قالت: صدق عليه الصلاة والسلام، فهل قال: لا نَبِيَّةَ بعدي؟ قال المأمون لمن حضره: أمَّا أنا فقد انقطعت، فمن كان عنده حُجَّةٌ، فليأتِ بها، وضحك حتى غطَّى وجهه “.
هذه المرأة، التي ادَّعت النُّبُوَّة على عهد المأمون لم تَتلقَّ وَحْيَ نُبُوَّتها من( لندن ) مَصْدَرِ الوَحْيِ، ومَنْبَعِه في العصر الحديث؛ كما تَلقَّى وَحْيَ نُبُوَّته منها المُتنبِّئُ ميرزا أحمد غلام القادياني؛ ولهذا لم تفهم معنى البَعدِيَّة في حديث النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم؛ كما فهمه هو، وأتباعه. ذلك الحديث، الذي نفى فيه عليه الصلاة والسلام، نفيًا جازمًا أن يكون نبيٌّ بعده إلى قيام الساعة؛ لأنه{ خَاتَمُ النَّبِيِّينَ }؛ كما وصفه الله تعالى بذلك، ووصف هو به نفسه، في كثير من أقواله، المتواترة؛ كقوله عليه الصلاة والسلام لعلي رضي الله عنه حين خلَّفه في أهله في غزوة تبوك:«أما ترضى أن تكون مني بمنزلة هارون من موسى؛ إلا أنه لا نبي بعدي ؟ ».
فجاء قوله عليه الصلاة والسلام:«إلا أنهلا نبيَّ بعدي »مفسِّرًا لقول الله تعالى:? خَاتَم النَّبِيِّينَ ?. وهذا ما اعترف به المدَّعي النبوة غلام أحمد القادياني، وأقرَّه في تأليفه( عمامة البشر )، فقال بعد أن ذكر قوله تعالى:?وَلَكِنْ رَسُولَالله وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، قال:”وفسَّره نبيُّنا صلى الله عليه وسلم في قوله:«لا نبيَّ بعدي»“. وقال في كتاب( البرية ):”كان الحديث:«لا نبيَّ بعدي»مَعروفًا، مُنتشِرًا بين الناس إلى حدٍّ، لا يمكن أن يشك في صحته أحدٌ “.
فهو يعترف بأن النبي محمدًا صلى الله عليه هو نبيُّه، وأن قوله:«لا نبيَّ بعدي» جاء مفسِّرًا لقوله تعالى:?وَخَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، وأنه معروف، ومنتشر بين الناس إلى حدٍّ، لا يمكن أن يشك في صحته أحدٌ.
فالمشكلة- إذًا- عند القادياني المتنبي أحمد غلام ليست في صحة الحديث، وعدم صحته، وإن اسشتهد على صحة ادِّعائه النُّبُوَّة بأحاديث ضعيفة، وموضوعة؛ وإنما المشكلة عنده هي أن الآخرين لم يفهموا الحقيقةَ، والسرَّ الكامنَ في مفهوم خَتْم النُّبُوَّة لـ{ خَاتَم النبيينَ }؛ كما فهمه هو. ولم يفهموا البَعْدِيَّة، المنصوص عليها في الحديث الشريف؛ كما فهمها هو وأتباعه.
أما عن مفهوم { خَتْم النُّبُوَّة }فقد أعلن حضرته أنهم يؤمنون بكون النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم { خاتم النبيين }بالبصيرة التامة، التي يعلمها الله.ويؤكِّد بأن الله تعالى كشفعليهم حقيقة{ خَتْمِ النُّبُوَّةِ }، بحيث يجدون من شراب المعرفة، الذي سُقُوا إياه، لذةً لا يتصوَّرها أحدٌ، إلا الذين سُقُوا من ذلك النبع.
ويعترف أتباعه أيضًا بأن الفعل{ ختم }،في اللغة، يعني: أنهى وأغلق؛ كما يعني أيضًا: طبع. أما { خاتَم }، أو{ خاتِم }في اللغة، فتعني: ما يوضع في الإصبع للزينة. وما يستخدم للختم أو التصديق، أو ما يستعمل للختم أو الإغلاق.
إنهم يعترفون بذلك؛ ولكنهم يقولون:”وإذا أضيف{ خاتَم }،أو{ خاتِم }،أو{ خاتِمة}إلى جمع العقلاء، فلا يكون معناه إلا الأفضل والأكمل، الذي جاء بما لم يأتِ، ولن يأتي أحد من قبله، أو من بعده بمثله. كذلك تعني مَنْ جَمَع أفضل ما كان للسابقين من أعمال وآثار ومحاسن، ومن ثمَّ صاغها في أزين صورة، ثم ترك أثره وطابعه فيمن جاء بعده. وبهذا يكون قد وصل الكمال فيما نُسِبَ إليه، بحيث لا يصل إلى مرتبته أحد ممَّن كان قبله، أو ممَّن جاء بعده “.
وبناء على ما سبق فإنهم يجدون أن مفهوم{ خاتم النبيين}يحدد ملامح النبوة بعد الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم بشكل واضح وجلي. وهذا المفهوم ما كان إلا لكي يبين علو شأن النبي بين الأنبياء من ناحية، واستمرار النبوة من بعده من ناحية أخرى وعدم انقطاعها. ولكنهم يقيِّدون النبوة بشروط، لم تكن موجودة سابقًا، ويحصرونها في الأمة الإسلامية. ويزعمون أن المتنبي غلام هو المسيح الموعود. وقد نقلوا عن حضرته في معنى{ خَاتَم النَّبِيِّينَ}قصة طريفة، لا تقل طرافة عن قصة المتنبية فاطمة مع المأمون، فقالوا:”يروي حضرة ميرزا طاهر أحمد- رحمه الله- الخليفة الرابع للإمام المهدي عليه السلام، أنه في سنوات دراسته الجامعية بـ( لندن ) كان له أستاذ مصري، يدرِّسه اللغة العربية. وفي إحدى المرَّات كتب حضرته في موضوع عن الدولة الأموية ما يلي:«كان مروان بن محمد خاتم خلفاء بني أمية». فقال له أستاذه: لا، هذا ليس بصحيح، اكتُبْ:«كان مروان بن محمد آخر خلفاء بني أمية». فابتسم حضرته، وقال لأستاذه: إذن لماذا تصرُّ على أن معنى{ خاتم النبيين }:هو آخرهم “.
ويضيف أتباعه قائلين:” بالمِثْل نستطيع أن نقول:«إن هارون الرشيد هو خاتم خلفاء بني العباس». وهذا القول سيكون مقبولاً من السامع، وسيلقى استحسانًا؛ لأن هارون الرشيد كان أعظم خلفاء بني العباس، وقد أرسى قواعد الدولة وتميز في نواح شتى؛ ولكن لو قلنا:«إن المستعصم كان خاتم خلفاء بني العباس»، بصفته آخرهم، فإن السامع لن يتقبل ذلك أبدًًا “.
ويظهر من أقوال هذه الجماعة الكافرة بإجماع المسلمين أنهم لم يختلفوا عن غيرهم ممَّن سبقهم، وكان على شاكلتهم. فهم يعتمدون الأحاديث الضعيفة، والموضوعة، وأقوال من سبقهم ممَّن يزعمون أنهم من علماء السلف الرَّبَّانيِّين، وصلحائهم- على حدِّ تعبيرهم- في دعم أفكارهم العفنة، ونشرها بين صفوف العامَّة، ويتلاعبون بالألفاظ، فيضعون لفظًا مكان آخر دون أن يفرقوا بينهما في المعنى، ويختارون من النصوص ما يوافق هواهم، ويدعم أفكارهم.
ثانيًا- وقد سبق أن بيَّنت في مقالي السابق( الرد على القاديانية، وخاتم النبيين ) أن الخاتَم- بفتح التاء- هو الطين الموضوع على الشيء المختوم. وأُطلِقَ على القالَبِ المنقوش فيه علامة، أو كتابة، يُطْبَعُ بها على الطين، الذي يُختَم به، بحيث لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يدخل فيه شيء. وأن الخاتِم- بكسر التاء- هو فاعل الخَتْم على الشيء المختوم. وبهما قرىء قوله تعالى:?خَاتَِمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?. يقال: خَتَم الإناءَ، أو الجَرَّةَ، فهو خاتِم، بكسر التاء، والإناءُ مَخْتومٌ، والآلةُ، التي استعملها الخاتِمُ في الخَتْم، هي الخَاتَمُ. فالفرق بين{ الخَاتَم }، بفتح التاء، و{ الخَاتِم }، بكسر التاء، واضحٌ، لا يخفى إلا على الصُّمِّ العُمْيِ، و?إِنَّكَ لَا تُسْمِعُ الْمَوْتَى وَلَا تُسْمِعُ الصُّمَّ الدُّعَاء إِذَا وَلَّوْا مُدْبِرِينَ?.
وذكرت أيضًا أن حقيقةَ الخَتْمِ- في اللغة- هي السَّدُّ على الإناء، والغَلْقُ على الكتاب، بطين ونحوه، مع وضع علامة مرسومة في خَاتَم؛ لِيَمْنَعَ ذلك من فتْح المختوم. والختم على الإناء لا يكون إلا بعد الانتهاء من إتمامه. وإذا خُتِمَ لا يخرج منه شيء، ولا يزاد عليه شيء. ولإفادة هذا المعنى، قال تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، ولم يقل:{ آخَرِ النَّبِيِّينَ }؛ لأن الخَاتَم هو الطين، الذي يُخْتَمُ به، وهو الآلةُ، التي يَخْتِمُ بها الخَاتِمُ على الشيء عند الانتهاء منه، اسْتيثاقًا من ألاَّ يخرجَ منه شيءٌ، أو يدخلَ فيه شيءٌ؛ فلهذا كان قول{ خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ}أبلغَ وأعمَّ من لفظ { آخَر النَّبِيِّينَ}، وأدقَّ منه في التعبير عن المراد؛ لأنه يجمع بين معنيين، فدل على أن كل{ خاتَم }هو { آخَر }، وليس كل { آخَر }هو { خاتَم }. وهذا يعني: أن لفظ{ آخر }لا يدل على معنى الخَتْم؛ كما يدلُّ عليه لفظ { خاتَم }،هذا من جهة. ومن جهة أخرى فإن{ الخَاتَمَ }اشتُقَّ اسمًا من الخَتْمِ؛ لِيُخْتَمَ به على الشيء، الذي يراد خَتْمُه، لا ليُتَزَيَّن به. هذا هو الأصل في المراد من اشتقاقلفظ{ الخَاتَم }، حتى الخَاطِبُ، الذي يضع{الخَاتَم }في أصبعه في أيامنا هذه؛ إنما يضعه؛ لِيَرْمُزَ به إلى انتهاء مرحلة من مراحل حياته، هي مرحلة العزوبة؛ وليبدأ بعدها مرحلة أخرى من مراحل حياته هي مرحلة الزواج؛ فكأنه خَتَمَ بهذا الخَاتَم، الذي وضعه في أصبعه على مرحلةٍ من مراحل حياته، لا يمكن أن تعود بعد دخوله المرحلة الثانية.
هذا وقد بيَّنتْ قِراءةُ بن مسعود رضي الله عنه:?ولَكِنْ نَبِيًّا خَتَمَ النَّبَيِّينَ ?المراد من قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?بيانًا لا لبس فيه، ولا غموض?لِمَنْ كَانَ لَهُ قَلْبٌ أَوْ أَلْقَى السَّمْعَ وَهُوَ شَهِيدٌ?؛ كما بيَّنه رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم في حديث آخر، رواه مسلم، وهو قوله عليه الصلاة والسلام:« فُضِّلْتُ على الأنبياء بستٍّ: أُعطيتُ جَوامعَ الكلِم، ونُصِرْتُ بالرُّعْبِ، وأُحِلَّتْ لي الغنائمُ، وجُعِلَتْ لي الأرضُ مسجدًا وطهورًا، وأُرْسِلْتُ إلى الخلْق كافَّةً، وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون».فكيف يُختَمُ به- عليه الصلاة والسلام- النبيون، إن لم يكن هو خَاتَمُهم، وآخر نبي فيهم ؟ وكيف لم يُغلَق بَابُ النُّبُوَّة، وقد ختمه الله تعالى بخاتَم النبيين ؟
بقي أن نعلم أن الخَتْمَ على الشيء لا يزول أبدًا إلا بأمر من الله تعالى؛ لأنه هو واضع الخَتْم سبحانه وتعالى. فليس للإنسان يدٌ في فضِّه، أو إزالته، خلافًا لمن يدَّعي ذلك؛ ولهذا ذكرت في مقالي السابق أن الخَتْمَ على القلوب يمنع من الإيمان منعًا تامًّا، بخلاف الطَّبْع؛ ولهذا أيضًا قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم في الحديث السابق:«وخُتِمَ بي النبيُّون»، بالبناء للمجهول، فلا يُبعَث بعده نبيٌّ، ولا رسولٌ. ويؤيد ذلك ما أخرجه عبد بن حُمَيْدٍ عن الحسن- رضي الله عنه- في قوله تعالى:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?، قال:”ختم الله النبيين بمحمد صلى الله عليه وسلم ، وكان آخَر من بُعِثَ “.وقال البيهقي في(شعب الإيمان ):”والخاتم: الذي لا نبي بعده؛ كما ليس بعد خاتمة الأمر منه شيءٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكتاب نشرٌ، وليس بعد ختْم الكيس إخراجُ شيء منه “.
ولهذا كله أقول: ليس لمدَّع بعد هذا البيان أن يدَّعي أن المراد بـ:?خَاتَمَ النَّبِيِّينَ?:زينة النبيين، أو أحسنهم، وأكملهم، وأفضلهم. وليس: آخَرهم، وأن باب النُّبُوَّة لم يُغلَق؛ إلا إذا كان المدَّعي مُتَنَبِيًا، قد تلقَّى علومه في جامعات لندن، وباريس، ونيويورك،؛ لأن تلك الجامعات هي مصدر الوحي والإلهام الرباني في العصر الحديث لمثل أولئك. ولعلها هي التي أوحت للقاديانيين أن { الخاتَِم }، إذا أضيف إلى جمع العقلاء فلا يكون إلا بمعنى: الأفضل والأكمل.
وليت شعري ماذا يقولون في إضافة لفظ { خَاتَم }إلى { ربِّ العالمين }في حديث أبي هريرة، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم، قال:«آمين، خَاتَمُ رَبِّ العالمينَ على لسان عباده المؤمنين ». قال أَبو بكر معناه: أنه طابَعُ الله على عباده؛ لأنه يدفع به عنهم الآفات والبلايا، فكان كخَاتَم الكتاب، الذي يصونه، ويمنع من فساده، وإظهار ما فيه لمن يكره علمه به، ووقوفه على ما فيه !

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What is the truth talk "Say Seal of the Prophets do not say no prophet after him"?









First - A Nuwayri in (Nihayat in the arts of literature): "a woman claimed prophethood to the era of safe, I brought him, he said to her: Who are you? She said: "I am Fatima prophetess. He said to her safe: Do you believe what Muhammad brought peace be upon him? She said: Yes. Everything that comes with it, is right. Said safe: He said Muhammad peace be upon him: «no prophet after me». She said: "Believe peace be upon him, is said: no prophetess me? Safe for those who attended said: I have broken down, it had an argument, let him come out, and laughed even covered his face. "

This woman, who claimed prophethood at the time of the safe did not receive revelation Nbutea of the (London) The source of revelation, and its source in the modern era; also received a revelation prophethood of prophet Mirza Ahmad Ghulam Qadiani; but this did not understand the meaning of dimensionality in the hadith of the Prophet peace be upon him; as understanding is, and his followers. That conversation, which denied the peace be upon him, denied the firm to be a prophet after the hour; because {Seal of the Prophets}; as described God says so, and he described himself, in many of his words, frequent; interpretation of the peace and blessings of Ali, may God bless him, while his successor in his family in the Battle of Tabuk: «The satisfied that you are to me like Aaron was to Moses; but no prophet after me? ».

He came saying peace be upon him: «only Onhla prophet after me», explaining to the words of God:? Seal of the Prophets?. This was also acknowledged by the plaintiff prophet Ghulam Ahmad Qadiani, and approved by the author (turban humans), he said, after quoting the verse:? But Rcolallah and the Seal of the Prophets?, Said: "interpreted by our Prophet peace be upon him in saying:« no prophet after me »" . He said in the book (Wild): "It was modern:« no prophet after me »is known, widespread among the people to a certain extent, can not be a doubt in his health."

It recognizes that the Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon His Prophet is, and saying: «no prophet after me» came to explaining the meaning:? And the Seal of the Prophets?, And it is known, and diffuse among the people to a certain extent, can not be questioned in a health.

The problem is - if - when Qadiani Mutanabi Ahmed Ghulam is not in a health talk, and not his health, although Esctahed on the veracity of his claim of prophecy interviews weak, and fabricated; but the problem is is that the others did not understand the truth, and the secret that lies in the concept of Prophethood ended for {Seal of the Prophets}; as understood by it. They did not understand a posteriori, as stipulated in the Hadith; also understand he and his followers.

As for the concept {seal of prophethood} has announced his presence that they believe in the fact that the Prophet peace be upon him {Seal of the Prophets} foresight full, taught by God. And confirms that God Kcflehm fact {seal of prophethood}, so find the drink of knowledge, which is irrigated to him, No one imagined the thrill, but who are irrigated from the spring.

And his followers also recognized that the act {seal}, in the language, means: completed and closed; It also means: printing. The {ring}, or {} in the ring language, it means: what is placed in the finger for decoration. What used to seal or ratify, or what used to seal or closure.

They admit it; but they say: "If you add {ring}, or {ring}, or {Conclusion} to collection wise, it would mean only the best and most perfect, which was what I did not come, will come one who came before him or after him the same; . As well as the means of bringing together the best of the former work and the effects and advantages, and then penned in decorate a picture, then leave the impact and nature of those who came after him. And thus have reached perfection attributed to him, so that does not reach a rank of those who came before, or those who came after him. "

Based on the above, they find that the concept of {} Seal of the Prophets determines the features of a prophet after the Prophet peace be upon him in a clear and obvious. This concept was only to show superiority of the Prophet among the Prophets on the one hand, and the continuation of Prophethood after him, on the other hand, non-interrupted. But they restrict the terms of prophecy, were not present previously, and Ihsrunha in the Islamic nation. They claim that Ghulam Mutanabi is the promised Messiah. They were transferred for the presence of the meaning of {Seal of the Prophets} a funny story, not least the novelty of the story Almtenbip Fatima with safe, they said: "tells Hazrat Mirza Tahir Ahmad - may Allah have mercy on him - the fourth Caliph of Imam Mahdi, peace be upon him, that in his college years (b London ) was a professor of Egypt, is studying Arabic. On one occasion in the presence of books on the subject of the Umayyad state the following: «The Marwan bin Muhammad, the Seal of the Umayyad caliphs». Teacher said to him: No, this is not correct, type: «Marwan bin Mohammed last of the Umayyad caliphs». Emptiness around him, he told his teacher: "So why insist that the meaning of {} Seal of the Prophets: This is the last of."

He adds his followers, saying: "Similarly, we can say:« The Harun al-Rashid is the seal of the successors of the Abbasids ». This view would be acceptable to the listener, and would be well received; because Harun al-Rashid was the greatest successors of the Abbasids, has established the rules of the State and excellence in various aspects; but if we say: «The Musta'sim The ring of the successors of the Abbasids», as the last, the listener will not accept that never. "

It appears from the statements of the group infidel consensus of the Muslims that they did not differ from others who preceded them, and their ilk. They rely conversations are weak, developed, and the statements of their predecessors who claim they are scholars of the earlier great scholars, and Salehaihm - in their own words - in support of their ideas rotten, and dissemination among the public, and play with words, place the the rude elsewhere without distinction between them in the meaning, drawn from the texts which agrees whim, and supports their ideas.

Secondly - I have already indicated in my previous article (reply to Qadiani, and the Seal of the Prophets) that the ring - opening V - is a clay thing stamped on the topic. They were engraved on the template where the mark, or write, print them on clay, which concludes it, so do not come out of it something, which excludes nothing. And the ring - a broken-na - is an effective seal stamped on the thing. And has been read by the verse:? Seal of the Prophets?. Said: seal the pot, or jar, seal it, break na, and the vessel is sealed, and the machine, used by the ring on the seal, is the ring. The difference between {ring}, opening V, and {ring}, break na, clearly, is no secret only to the blind, deaf, and? You do not hear the dead do not make the deaf hear, and if their backs?.

She also stated that the fact that the seal - in the language - is a dam on the vessel, and closing the book, the ventricle and the like, with a painted sign in the ring; to prevent it from opening sealed. The seal on the vessel can be achieved only after the completion of its completion. If the seal is not something out of it, should not be given anything. To benefit this sense, he says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Did not say: {last of the Prophets}; because the ring is clay, which is sealed by, a machine, which stamped the seal on the thing when completed, Astithaqa of not come out of it all, or enters something; Hence the saying {Seal of the Prophets} told the more general term {last of the Prophets}, and more accurate than in the expression to be; because it combines those concerned, which indicates that each {ring} is {last}, and not all the {last} is the {ring}. This means: that the word {last} does not indicate the meaning of the seal; as indicated by the word {ring}, this hand. On the other hand, the {ring} a name derived from the seal; to complete the tags on the thing, which is intended to seal, not to heap yet. This is the original in the meaning of Achtakkaklfez {ring}, so the suitor, which puts {ring} in the finger these days; but puts it; to symbolize him to the end stage of his life, is the stage of celibacy; and begin after the other stage of his life is a stage marriage; as if this seal ring, which was placed in his finger on the stage of his life, can not return after entering the second phase.

This has shown reading bin Masood may Allah be pleased with him:? But a prophet Seal of the Prophets? The meaning of the verse:? Seal of the Prophets? Statement is unequivocal, and unambiguous? Those who have a heart, or hearing a martyr?; As with the Messenger of Allah upon him in another hadeeth narrated by Muslim, which is saying peace be upon him: «I preferred the prophets Best: given the conciseness of speech, Nusrat horror, and transmitting spoils me and made me land a mosque and pure, and sent to all creation, and seal my prophets». How concludes it - peace be upon him - the prophets, if not the Final Prophet, and including the last prophet? And why has not closed the door of prophecy, God has stamped the seal of the prophets?

It remains to be know that the seal on the thing does not pass away except by order of God; because it is the author of Seal the Almighty. No human hand in silver, or removed, unlike those who claim to do so; This stated in my previous article that the seal on the hearts prevents faith strictly, other than printing; That is also why the Prophet peace be upon him in the hadeeth quoted above: «In conclusion, my prophets», construction of the unknown, not a matter after the Prophet, or Messenger. This is supported by what was narrated by Abdullah bin Hamid al-Hasan - may Allah be pleased with him - says:? Seal of the Prophets?, Said: "the seal of God of the Prophets Muhammad peace be upon him, the last of the letter." Al-Bayhaqi said in the (people of faith): " and the ring: that no prophet after him; and not after the conclusion of command anything from him, and not after completing the book was published, not after sealing the bag out something from it. "

For this, I would say: You do not prosecutor after this statement to claim that what is meant by:? Seal of the Prophets?: Accessories of the Prophets, or highly qualified, and Okmlhm, and the best. And not: most recently, of prophecy and that the door is not closed; only if the plaintiff Mtenbia, has educated at the universities of London, Paris, New York; because these universities are the source of divine revelation and inspiration in the modern era to like those. Perhaps it is suggested that the Viadeanyen {ring}, when added to the collection not only be rational in the sense: the best and fullest.

I wonder what they say to add the word {ring} to {} Lord of the Worlds in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet, peace be upon him, said: «Amen, Ring Lord of the Worlds on the lips of the faithful slaves». Abu Bakr said means: he was the character of God to worship; because it pays them by the pests and plagues, was the seal of the book, which kept up, and prevent corruption, and show what it hates those who knew him, and standing on it!



take ur time and foucs plzz then post what u think

evry thing it's clear here like sun in the sky and if u think what i post here is wrong then this case still a lose case

LOL yeh it was a mistake stupid mistake from me putting me in embarresing place but i told u and post that mean the same mean

there s alot of reader in quran and assem alqufi read it by fateh alta and other read it by kaser alta
and the mean still the same

There are two problems here. One is that the meaning is not being taken as per the Quran itself. It is being limited to the present day understanding of the word. Moreover, even the work aakher did not have the meaning of last, in some cases. There is a hadith where the Prophet (saw) said: inni aakherul anbiyaa wa innahu akherul masaajid.

That is why it is so important to understand the Quran.

If khataam means last, even with a fathah on the taa', then it would contradict this verse of the Quran:

يَا بَنِي آدَمَ إِمَّا يَأْتِيَنَّكُمْ رُسُلٌ مِّنكُمْ يَقُصُّونَ عَلَيْكُمْ آيَاتِي فَمَنِ اتَّقَى وَأَصْلَحَ فَلاَ خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلاَ هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ

It is very clear that this verse is all in the mudhaari'. According to this Muslims should always be waiting for messengers.

Again, I am pleading that you should have fear of Allah and stick to the first translations you did of the word khaatam and khaatim.

Also, you should understand that because the Law of Muhammad (saw) is the best law, that naturally means that no more laws will come after Quran. This is a logical conclusion from the expression used. But the expression by itself does not mean 'last prophet." It means 'seal of the prophets.'

It was not a mistake. Believe me. You were thinking naturally and using the language properly. It is your belief that has made you change the language. So, no, you were right. And it is exactly how those words should be translated.

Unfortunately, this is the problem with Muslim scholars, they are trying to change the Quranic Arabic. It is sad but fortunately that the Quran has tashkeel, otherwise we would have a really big problem.

no it's take by tafsier alquran not from our minds
and the hadith mean the propht is the last propht


LOL no it was a mistake
and i can tell u that i will become a shiite and don't belive about qadiani (astghferallah )

like i post it's a lose case and i start with mistake
i just wish i didn't start with this mistake because evry thing was diffrent

btw u didn't tell me if u read and understanbd ma last post
?

I responded to your last post on post #16.

You don't have believe in Ahmadiyyat, but I can tell you one thing: my beliefs do not contradict the Quran. Your beliefs do. On the one hand you say that the Prophet (saw) is the last prophet, but then the Quran is prophesying of other prophets that may come. What you have said is like a Christian who can't accept any other God by Jesus.

And believe me you did not make a mistake. You just miscalculated by not reading the verse first before posting your first post. Otherwise, you would have never said that khataam (with fath) means ring.

????

Your letter on post 19 has no substance. It is like the Christians and the Jews who are abusing Muslims without proof.

If you are really interested in learning then try this: http://www.alislam.org/mta/index.php?stream=5 double click for full screen

brother im giveing all my attentions and keep post about what u talking but u don't give any things !!!
about my last post and about i said there s alot of reader in quran and one of them asseem alqufi but u ignor this !!!
so u like who catch something on me and stick on it !
im not a mullah and u should know that (and it was the first time i know about this religine here when sangar told me about qadiani and it's the first week and i saw alot of lie in this religine and merza what u think if i was mullah (i don't wanna be mullah ) )
i was thinking it's easy to make diffrent on ur mind because this religine it's bigest fake religine i saw and heard about (i don't mean offence but thats what i think )
can u answer me if u don't mind
how old r u ?

I have given you everything that is needed with respect to what you have presented. Don't expect a magical solution. The magical solution is in your own mind. You have to come to terms with that in your own logic.

The sad factor about Muslims is that they don't accept what the Quran says in its entirety. They stick to one verse, and that being misunderstood, and then they claim that they have the answer and don't need anything else.

I have presented to you the importance of the fathah on the taa' and then I presented another verse that would contradict the Quran if the word khaatam meant 'last.'

My brother you can't pick and choose, you need to accept the whole Quran.

I am 30.

not relly old mashallah steal young and mybe i can change ur mind :P
so u said u given evrything was needed about my post ??
i guess no but let's say yes
i will say it in english because i know alot of member's watching and read what we post so khaatam mean like i said the last
and khaatama word take from khatama (Print (verb)) (it's mean in english Seal ) like the end
so god said in other ayaa
قال الله تعالى: خَتَمَ اللَّهُ عَلَى قُلُوبِهِمْ وَعَلَى سَمْعِهِمْ وَعَلَى أَبْصَارِهِمْ غِشَاوَةٌ وَلَهُمْ عَذَابٌ عَظِيمٌ
7 - (ختم الله على قلوبهم) طبع عليها واستوثق فلا يدخلها خير (وعلى سمعهم) أي مواضعه فلا ينتفعون بما يسمعونه من الحق (وعلى أبصارهم غشاوة) غطاء فلا يبصرون الحق (ولهم عذاب عظيم) قوي دائم
the red word it's khatama
the ayaa mean- God hath set a seal On their hearts and on their hearing, And on their eyes is a veil; Great is the penalty they (incur)


and about the ring
khatam means ring and i will tell u why khatam means ring
because the ring The thing which is surrounded by finger and Paavola from evry side
and thats mean the propht muhammed was the last propht
so whats now ???
i close evry door on this !

^^^^ and please read this post it's clear enough

meemwaw, fahd is right, dont be stubborn

thanx

Ya azizi fahd,

khatama/yakhtamu (to seal) is a verb (fi'l) it needs a doer (faa'il) and something to be done upon (maf'ul bihi).
khaatam (a ring, a signet ring, a seal (stamp)) is a noun (ism).

don't confuse the two.

The expression used is Khaatamun Nabiyyeen. The Seal (stamp, the authority) of the Prophets.

If the word was khaatim (the sealer), the translation would be different. khaatim is a present participle (ism faa'il).
If it was Khaatimun Nabiyyeen, the translation would be: the sealer of the Prophets. The sealer of the prophets does not make sense. You would have to change the second word also. The second word would have to be nabuwat (prophethood).

So it would have to khaatimun nabuwat, The sealer of prophethood. If it was this then you are all right. But then again it is not this.

i told u rings mean close
and if u want to understand it by this way
so god close the door of propht like the ring is close in finger
can u understand this now ???
or u will say the same things again ???

I edited my post.

Your logic does not make sense. A ring does not end anything brother.

i told u a ring close from evry side
and the propht door closed after last propht muhammed
and u mistake in the ayaa
Khaatamun Nabiyyeen
it's khaatama nabiyyeen
do u remember when u said fatha and make alot of post about that
now u said u (zhamma )and the word is a (fatha )

Fahd, astaghfirullah, you are now changing the verse again. first you said it was khaatim, now you are saying it khaatama, as in the verb? What is wrong with you?

khaatama/yukhaatimu/al mukhaatamah does not exist. Even if it did: the translation would be: He finished with/to do to prophets. This grammatically does not make sense. I am pretty sure that you are aware that the Arabic grammar roots from the Quran. So, how could the Quran make such an erroneous mistake?

For Allah's sake please don't change the Quran in order to fit your understanding.

I mentioned earlier that Rasulullah (saw) has called Hadhrat Ali (ra) Khaatamal Awliyya. I am pretty sure he knew how to use the Arabic language better than you. Also, in order to prove your interpretation right, you would have to bring an example on how to use that word. I provided you one which was the same expression used with Hadhrat Ali (ra). I also gave you another example with Al Mutanabbi, Khatamal Shu'araa'.

Fahd, please don't change the Quran.

Most translators have that much fear of Allah that they translate this verse as Seal of the Prophets. Please follow them.

ok guy's im changeing the quran
for god sake what thats pic mean ??

i said it's khatama not like u said khatamu <<< ??
so u don't wanna belive anything !!
i think i was wrong when i was think that mybe i will change ur mind but !!
i did make theard about member will show and read our post's and vote for who is right
if were u was right i will stop talk about something bigger than me :P
so let's see what they gona do
btw we didn't talk about merza family and ur qipla masseged and where u ppl doing hajj
in qadian city
plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz vote guy's in hugra plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz I beg you :P

For Allah's sake don't accuse me of anything improper.

Do you even read what I write? If you did you would have understood what I was trying to say.

Khaatama is mansoob, it has nothing to do with it being a verb.

We do Hajj in Mecca.

evry arabic post i translet it by google i take from site's but the other's i post them
not all from site's :P

[Nokia_Apridy]

FAHAD rora WAbkha /Sorry ma Religion sec ta dag

pa Zan Haram kray da.......Haga da Lasa zma Malgrray

MASEED baned shway da...........

Awo ma ta za ka zma Manay

Mannnnnnnnnnnna

[Fahd]

Sorry ma Religion sec ta dag
i didn't understand that
and it's okey wrorah

[Fahd]

nope shiite better than ahmadi in religine
ahmadi kafer 1000000% im not afride to say that

[Zwakwal]

زه د انګليسي تۀ د پښتو بېړا
داسې بېړا ګان به سره څه وايي ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

واړۀ پښتانه يو پښتو نه ليکو
هسې سنډا ګان به سره څه وايي ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

زه که جرمني هغوی ته وليکم
هغه انګرېزان به دې ته ښۀ وايي؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

[Fahd]

aaghi GULA da sa wayeh ?
i can't understand ur pashtu ?

[شمله ور خراساني]

salam
humm me and memwawmemnon was talking about religine and evry one post what he thinks with aproov (just me with proov :P LOL )
so please if u don't mind read this theard and then vote here please
because i want to show to memwawmemnon what all of u think about what we post
( vote about what we post not what u belivie in )
thats the theard
http://www.pashtunforums.com/religio...-%3B-8687-new/

dont discuss this subject with Qadiani. He was dealt with by at least 6 different members. Allah guides whom he wills and he whom allah misguides nobody can guide.

Qadiani is misguided. Because allah knows of his heart and his true intentions. THis is why he cannot embrace Islam.

He was presented with enough evidence and enough sound arguments. But he simply refused to accept. Because he loves Qadianism.

Leave him. There is no point in talking to him. His misguidance is very severe. And he is dishonest. Whenever he is refuted he jumps subjects.