democracy: best system ever or an utter failure?

[khushal]

Democracy is overrated. The disgusting way democracy politicians behave, lying, selling their core values for the sake of votes,.. they remind of clowns. Not even in dictatorships politicians behave in such ways.

And Shuras are not democratic institutions, but consultation councils. It might have some democratic traits but in general it has nothing to do with democracy.

straw man

[khushal]

Because it is beneficial to consult and listen to the recommendations. Allah has praised those who conduct their affairs through mutual consultation.

So Shoora is Mustahhab but not Waajib.

source?

[ذو الفقار]

You are participating in it. If your paying taxes, how that money is used without you casting a ballot and speaking up for it and just giving it to people to do what they wish, then you are solely responsible for their actions becasue you gave them permission.
But youre probably a welfare recipient who lies to the gov(people) on welfare application and robs their charity.

I'm "probably" a welfare recipient? On what basis do you make such a false assumption?

Yes I pay taxes, but that's not something I do of my own volition, unlike casting a ballot. You can only be responsible for what you do of your own volition, not what you are coerced to do.

Most politicians only preach the "good word" but dont practice the "good word." the reason that they get away with it is because of ignorant people like you refuse to vote and give them that power by refusing to vote.

Majority of people who can vote do so in democratic societies. Yet the politicians still don't "practice the good word". There goes your theory that if people vote more the politicians will be straightened out. The truth is, majority of the people are corrupt, and democracy will only reflect that corruption. People like me who want Islamic governance are in a tiny minority, our votes will never make a difference, especially since the system itself is un-Islamic.

The Saudi kings are the walking, talking Quran?

I never said that.

I dont see anything wrong with the US constitution especially the bill of rights. nothing unislamic about it unless you can point it out to me

That's because you are simply uneducated about Islamic teachings and principles. Read the first section of the first Article of the US constitution: "All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States", this is in direct violation of the important Islamic principle of Tawhid "All legislative Powers are the prerogative of God Himself - He is the Law Giver"

As Allah says

إِنِ الْحُكْمُ إِلَّا لِلَّهِ
Verily, the Hukm (legislation, command, judgment) is for none but Allah

مَا لَهُم مِّن دُونِهِ مِن وَلِيٍّ وَلَا يُشْرِكُ فِي حُكْمِهِ أَحَدًا
and He makes none to share in His Judgment and His Rule

The Quran condemns people like you who who seek judgment from the Taghout (Sura 4:60)

[ذو الفقار]

source?

What's the source that it is Waajib?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

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Yes I pay taxes, but that's not something I do of my own volition, unlike casting a ballot. You can only be responsible for what you do of your own volition, not what you are coerced to do.

No one's coercing you to stay in Canada...lol

[ذو الفقار]

No one's coercing you to stay in Canada...lol

I was born in Canada. My birth wasn't my decision, it is in the Hand of Allah.

[Elias]

I was born in Canada. My birth wasn't my decision, it is in the Hand of Allah.

But it’s your choice where to go.

[ذو الفقار]

But it’s your choice where to go.

Maybe before there were such things as borders and citizenship. Where should I go where I won't be coerced to pay taxes anyways? If there was such a country where one could go so easily I'd imagine the whole world would be swarming there.

[Elias]

So what? Drifting haram? Bacha baazi Halal?

Bacha Bazi is as haram as drifting like an idiot and jeopardizing others life.

[Elias]

Maybe before there were such things as borders and citizenship. Where should I go where I won't be coerced to pay taxes anyways? If there was such a country where one could go so easily I'd imagine the whole world would be swarming there.

Ok, you’ve got a point there.

[ذو الفقار]

Bacha Bazi is as haram as drifting like an idiot and jeopardizing others life.

You can't be serious. Drifting isn't as dangerous as you make it out to be. I guess you think not wearing a seat belt is Haram too LOL

Or better yet, it is now haram to ride a bicycle without a helmet LOLzzzz

[Elias]

You can't be serious. Drifting isn't as dangerous as you make it out to be. I guess you think not wearing a seat belt is Haram too LOL

Or better yet, it is now haram to ride a bicycle without a helmet LOLzzzz

If you think logically yes not wearing a seat belt or cycling without helmet is haram because you expose yourself to a risk of injury. Exposing yourself to a risk of injury or illness is forbidden.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

I was born in Canada. My birth wasn't my decision, it is in the Hand of Allah.

No one's stopping you from migrating ...no one's forcing you to stay there. Your excuses are nonsense.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

You can't be serious. Drifting isn't as dangerous as you make it out to be. I guess you think not wearing a seat belt is Haram too LOL

Or better yet, it is now haram to ride a bicycle without a helmet LOLzzzz

Yeah driving recklessly is never dangerous ....innocent bystanders are never killed by some maniac spinning their car around on a public street...just to copy the Fast & Furious movies....and of course Nabi(saw) used to race camels so imitating Western movies is sunnah lol

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Maybe before there were such things as borders and citizenship. Where should I go where I won't be coerced to pay taxes anyways? If there was such a country where one could go so easily I'd imagine the whole world would be swarming there.

Go to Saudi,