Is Pakistan going back to Pre 80's era of Booze , Bikini's and Bars ?

[Pakistan]

Well being that you created a new account from your Peshawar_22 account and recycled more or less the same rants as before. Are you sure you shouldn't be following your own advice instead of joining forum to overcompensate for some insecure you have?

As for your top 300 Universities .....you recycled this too. To which I respond with what your own Pakistani Intellectuals say about your science output.



This isn't propaganda, but a scientist's own experience with how science and research operates in Pakistan ....much ado about nothing.

If you ask the Germans if they are good enough they will answer no . No country is satisfied with itself and wants to do better . The realistic picture is to see numerous rankings where each country stands . Your problem is your head is buried deep inside a sandpit .

SJR - International Science Ranking

Contributions by Scientific Output and we stand at a decent 43 .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Poverty & Equity Data | Pakistan | The World Bank

Poverty headcount ratio at $1.90 a day (2011 PPP) (% of population)
7.9% 2011 6.1% 2013

6.1 % is Alot to you ? Your basic math seems quite weak to me .

From your earlier source, 42% are Upper and Middle Class, Middle Class is defined as base $4 a day, which $1460/year, yeah that's a lot of poor people, the 58% must be under even more abysmal conditions.

Do a little thinking and some math ...remember what advice you gave earlier? Focus in doing science and math. Apply this here.

[Pakistan]

From your earlier source, 42% are Upper and Middle Class, Middle Class is defined as base $4 a day, which $1460/year, yeah that's a lot of poor people, the 58% must be under even more abysmal conditions.

Do a little thinking and some math ...remember what advice you gave earlier? Focus in doing science and math. Apply this here.

UNDP , World bank and ADB use different metrics to define poverty and middle class . By most International calculations we are already in the top 20 highest middle class populations . You cannot calculate the UNDP calculation and apply it on credit swiss one's .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

If you ask the Germans if they are good enough they will answer no . No country is satisfied with itself and wants to do better . The realistic picture is to see numerous rankings where each country stands . Your problem is your head is buried deep inside a sandpit .
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Pakistan's top scientist on Pakistan's science output is much more reliable than a ranking which does not have a first hand account of Pakistan's science output.

Your remark is merely self deluding sophistry, as I have never heard a German claim their science is not good enough. And even if there is, no one says 95% of their science is Rubbish as Hoodbhoy has, stop being a nationalist, start being a realist.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

UNDP , World bank and ADB use different metrics to define poverty and middle class . By most International calculations we are already in the top 20 highest middle class populations . You cannot calculate the UNDP calculation and apply it on credit swiss one's .

But this is because Pakistan is self describing "Middle Class" by their own metric and that's what's being reported. It's not aligned with International Expectation of what's considered "Middle Class".

This is the global standard for Middle Class.

How Americans compare with the global middle class | Pew Research Center

The global middle-income range translates to an annual income of $14,600 to $29,200 for a family of four

It's not hard to fact check these things, unless you filter things from a Nationalist lens

[Pakistan]

But this is because Pakistan is self describing "Middle Class" by their own metric and that's what's being reported. It's not aligned with International Expectation of what's considered "Middle Class".

This is the global standard for Middle Class.

How Americans compare with the global middle class | Pew Research Center



It's not hard to fact check these things, unless you filter things from a Nationalist lens

There was this video I saw a few days ago of fireworks in Lahore on 23rd March . The fireworks were good by any stretch of imagination . But there was this one comment by an Afghan which said why were the fireworks 20 minutes long and not 30 minutes ?

Like I said get your head out of the Sandpit .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

There was this video I saw a few days ago of fireworks in Lahore on 23rd March . The fireworks were good by any stretch of imagination . But there was this one comment by an Afghan which said why were the fireworks 20 minutes long and not 30 minutes ?

Like I said get your head out of the Sandpit .

Why do you keep swaying here and there with these irrelevant anecdoites. We're comparing data to data .....I gave you a source describing what the global metric of what Middle Class is. Pakistan comes NOWHERE near this,

face reality ....stop the nationalistic narrative; they lied to you.

[Pakistan]

Why do you keep swaying here and there with these irrelevant anecdoites. We're comparing data to data .....I gave you a source describing what the global metric of what Middle Class is. Pakistan comes NOWHERE near this,

face reality ....stop the nationalistic narrative; they lied to you.

Sure World Bank , Al Jazeera , Credit Swiss , WSJ , The Hindu are lying through their teeth with the numbers and you know the truth .

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Sure World Bank , Al Jazeera , Credit Swiss , WSJ , The Hindu are lying through their teeth with the numbers and you know the truth .

It's not that they're false , but rather you misrepresent what they're actually claiming and spin doctor it with brainwashing that Paki nationalists are indoctrinated with. The data analytics I did was to demonstrate that that narrative fails under critical thinking

The lies I was referring to was the spin doctoring you were indoctrinated with.

Sorry to pull the veil from your eyes , I know the sudden shock of reality makes nationalist types panic and desperately seek the safety of illusion.

[Pakistan]

It's not that they're false , but rather you misrepresent what they're actually claiming and spin doctor it with brainwashing that Paki nationalists are indoctrinated with. The data analytics I did was to demonstrate that that narrative fails under critical thinking

The lies I was referring to was the spin doctoring you were indoctrinated with.

Sorry to pull the veil from your eyes , I know the sudden shock of reality makes nationalist types panic and desperately seek the safety of illusion.

No amount of facts and figures will satisfy any Afghan wrt Pakistan . You didnot recognise Pakistan in 1947 and now you are paying for all of that . Wait till your country becomes a Pakistani province once again (As if it is not already one ).

[KingdomofHeaven]

Whats the point of this thread really?

Did you really expect Afghans to be impressed by your degenerate sell out culture?

Even worse is the display of desperate need of approval from white people by paying some random White schmuck to come and say how he approves of Pakistan lool

It seems that as a race you guys have lost....you have no self esteem left...those British took it all away from you...there is no shame in being poor, but nothing is worse than being mentally colonized and always have a need for approval from your master...this whole thread reeks of approval seeking...

I feel bad for you guys...

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

No amount of facts and figures will satisfy any Afghan wrt Pakistan . You didnot recognise Pakistan in 1947 and now you are paying for all of that . Wait till your country becomes a Pakistani province once again (As if it is not already one ).

I just showed that your understanding of facts and figures was wrong. There's a global median range for Middle Class. Pakistan doesn't even come close to that standard, Pakistani Middle Class is considered poor by global standards. I'm using YOUR sources sir. All I did was use basic arithmetic based on numbers claimed by YOUR sources to show your belief doesn't work in reality.

wale chinji sta pa kunata ki natsegi? Go take a break from trying to be Pakistan cyber-warrior and get a real job.

[Manzareh]

So [MENTION=19924]Pakistan[/MENTION] do you admit that compared to the rest of the world you're country is not middle class?

[Firdousi]

Calm down guys. CPEC will solve everything. Very soon Pakistan will become UAE 2.0 lol

You desis are a bunch of pathetic honourless morons. Whats the point of this thread? Why you guys are always trying to prove us something?

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

Calm down guys. CPEC will solve everything. Very soon Pakistan will become UAE 2.0 lol

You desis are a bunch of pathetic honourless morons. Whats the point of this thread? Why you guys are always trying to prove us something?

I'd also like to point out that 'Pakistan' the forum poster is also Peshawar_22; he brings up the SAME exact topics every time, as if he's trying to convince himself this storyline has any worth or merit.

i.) Pakistani Middle Class
ii.) Low Grade Western Performers playing in Islamabad for the privileged
ii.) Cuckold Culture of Nightclubs and Strip Bars in Pakistan
iv.) Urban Skylines

this guy is insecure and tries way too hard.