Indian Sikhs begging to be 'Persian'

[Friends of Baloch]

Their hatred for Hindus will never allow them to accept the reality of Their Hindu grandfather's lol.

Btw does the word Hindu mean slave in Persian?

The word 'Hindu' originally just meant 'Indian' in Persian just like it moreorless does today (the pronunciation has changed to 'Hendi') but depending on the time / era of history 'Hindu' has taken on negative connotations / mocking stereotypes in Persian, kind of like how the word "paki" is used today by English-speakers to express contempt for South Asians.

Interestingly, the insults and contemptous attitude associated today with the word "paki" in English is moreorless the same mocking contempt that was once associated with the word 'Hindu' by the Persians.

In both cases, "paki" and "Hindu" being used as pejoratives, the contempt and mockery derrived as a result of Persians and English mainly coming into contact with the Indians we now call Punjabis (Paki and Indian immigrants to the UK are mostly Punjabis and Persian and Turkic attacks on India always went through Punjab).

Bacially, the negative and mocking things associated with "paki" in English and "Hindu" in Persian (depending on the era for Persian) are very similarly things like: having dark skin and being considered "ugly", dishonest, uncultured, smelly, weak, foreigner, rude behavior, disgusting habits, strange (as in ridiculous, laughable) untrustworthy, vagrant, unclean...

You can clearly see that Persians and English have come to similar historical views of pakis / Indians when it comes to derision, the negative things having mainly derrived from their contact with Punjabis / northwest Indians.

But generally 'Hindu' has mainly been used as a generic racial label in Persian to refer to all Indians. No different from the English word "Indian", or the now contemporary "politically correct" term "South Asian" (because pakis cant handle being reminded that they are just Indians with a fake fabricated nationality, so 'South Asian' is slowly replacing 'Indian' as the generic term for their racial group).

I have not often come across "slave" being associated with the word "Hindu" when reading history, but certainly Indians were often enslaved during the Tuco-Persian era in Iran / Central Asia. The Safavids for example had a large number of eunuchs from India knows as "the black slaves" in Persian, and were treated the worst of the slaves at the Persian court. Unlike the Georgian slaves in Safavid Persia, the Indians were entirely castrated and never considered for any duties than being a eunach. Georgian slaves ('the white slaves') on the other hand were allowed to rise up in the Persian army and at court, they were also allowed to settle permanently in Persia and become assimilated Persians. Indians were not, not even the 'Banyans' (Indian merchants) who were eventually all kicked out of Iran (in Safavid times a community of Indians was allowed to establish themselves temporarily in Esfahan).

[Khandari]

Really

Hey friends of baloch the Sikhs don't need to seek credibility from anybody especially the Jat races. They have a proud history their own but genetic studies have linked them to massagetae tribes. You say they ooze desiness all over, please explain? Jats are known as fighting off Turkic sultantes and killing 3 of their royalty. Fighting off Mughals and sacking their caravarns, giving devastating hits to the British also in the Anglo Sikh wars. They tend to be a highly resilient race of people. Even till this day the Hindu government doesn't have say in the local politics of Haryana. What the Punjabi and Pathan armies are doing to baloch can't be replicated with the Jats because they will retaliate as history has shown. They also have given many other accomplishments especially in the fields of sports. 99% of India's olympic, Asian, FILA world championship, commonwealth medals are won by just Jats and they're only 2% of India's population. They have been mutal respect by even their enemies throughout history. They have a reputation of being tall, robust and being conservative especially the people of Haryana who are known to fight off against any kind of westernization and are known for keeping their traditions of real rural desi gee martial culture. Even white people on stormfront forums acknowledge the achievements that Jats have given. Kash the Flash Gill hall of famer in world kickboxing history with 4 world championships was a Jat Sikh. You claim they want to be a Persian? Why is that? As far as I know in the western world a Persian is seen as just another middle eastern person who get mistaken for Arabs many times. The Sikhs in particular Jatt Sikhs have carved their own identity. In Canada, the Olympic and scholastic wrestling teams are now being majority Sikh also. The military is slowly being full of them in Canada and Britain. The Queen of England also hired Sikh bodyguards also.

[Khandari]

Sikhs don't need to claim other heritages, they have accomplished a lot from military achievements, to sports, to music in the region. A Persian is just seen as another middle eastern person in the western world. Sikhs are given a special identity. From being bodyguards for the Queen of England to being Canada's olympic wrestlers to the music of bhangra. Also the Punjabis are 2% of India's population but 85% of bollywood. They're a people who far exceed their population in achievements. They have both nations of nuclear stockpiles in their hands. What are a Persian people anyways? A rogue land that lives just on the background of some ancient Persian empire history that they can't even replicate in modern times? The Punjabis in India are 1% of the population but have majority of their military in their hands. The Sikhs and Jats have fought off turks, arabs, afghans, british, and even they said that 7 ft tall Porus who destroyed Alexander's army was Rig Veda male with Jat ancestry. They destroyed Alexander with his Persian helpers at the same time. Till this day they hold influence in the area. They don't need to claim any ancestry.

[Nekrofrost]

Sikhs don't need to claim other heritages, they have accomplished a lot from military achievements, to sports, to music in the region. A Persian is just seen as another middle eastern person in the western world. Sikhs are given a special identity. From being bodyguards for the Queen of England to being Canada's olympic wrestlers to the music of bhangra. Also the Punjabis are 2% of India's population but 85% of bollywood. They're a people who far exceed their population in achievements. They have both nations of nuclear stockpiles in their hands. What are a Persian people anyways? A rogue land that lives just on the background of some ancient Persian empire history that they can't even replicate in modern times? The Punjabis in India are 1% of the population but have majority of their military in their hands. The Sikhs and Jats have fought off turks, arabs, afghans, british, and even they said that 7 ft tall Porus who destroyed Alexander's army was Rig Veda male with Jat ancestry. They destroyed Alexander with his Persian helpers at the same time. Till this day they hold influence in the area. They don't need to claim any ancestry.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA this is gold

[HindustanTimes]

Sikhs don't need to claim other heritages, they have accomplished a lot from military achievements, to sports, to music in the region. A Persian is just seen as another middle eastern person in the western world. Sikhs are given a special identity. From being bodyguards for the Queen of England to being Canada's olympic wrestlers to the music of bhangra. Also the Punjabis are 2% of India's population but 85% of bollywood. They're a people who far exceed their population in achievements. They have both nations of nuclear stockpiles in their hands. What are a Persian people anyways? A rogue land that lives just on the background of some ancient Persian empire history that they can't even replicate in modern times? The Punjabis in India are 1% of the population but have majority of their military in their hands. The Sikhs and Jats have fought off turks, arabs, afghans, british, and even they said that 7 ft tall Porus who destroyed Alexander's army was Rig Veda male with Jat ancestry. They destroyed Alexander with his Persian helpers at the same time. Till this day they hold influence in the area. They don't need to claim any ancestry.

lmao. but Punjabis officially take descent from Persians among other groups who ''arrived individually or in groups [to rape Bundjabi women]. they are your fathers. lol

[Sarbani]

"WE WUZ IRANICS N SHEEETZ"

These people have an inferiority complex beyond comprehension. I bet if Pashtuns or Persians take a visit to their house, they would beg us to bang their wives so that their children can then claim partial ancestry from us. At least this guy took a slightly different route from the typical Indic wallowed in inferiority complex and went on to claim Persian ancestry instead of trying to hijack Pashtun ancestry as usual.

[Sarbani]

Jatts were used as slaves by Iraqis:

In this section, what might be viewed as slavery in a civilian context will alone be treated. That the first type of slavery, the agricultural/industrial, existed in early Islamic Iran has largely to be inferred. One might tentatively assume that the agricultural servitude characteristic of lower Iraq in the first four centuries or so of Islam, involving such nonindigenous races as the black African Zanj and the Indian Zoṭṭ, a slavery fairly well documented for us in the historical sources on account of the periodic rebellions of these despised and exploited groups, was also practiced in the almost identical habitat and climate of the adjacent Iranian province of Ahvāz, where such crops as sugarcane and rice were grown, crops which lent themselves to larger-scale agricultural organization and for which it was not always easy to find free cultivators.

BARDA and BARDA-DĀRI iii. In Islamic period – Encyclopaedia Iranica

[Kakar-Wardak]

Roma gypsies of Europe who have been in Europe for close to a 1000 years are shudrah jatts, although now many are mixed with various other people's.

[maneatinglizard]

Funny thing is South Indians make fun of Punjabis for their self-hate too. I've seen Indians on other forums mock Punjabis for trying to claim Scythian or whatever ancestry, and always trying to find the lightest and most Iranic looking Punjabis and then portraying them as the typical case.

Internet Punjabis are a real interesting breed to be sure.

[Kakar-Wardak]

Funny thing is South Indians make fun of Punjabis for their self-hate too. I've seen Indians on other forums mock Punjabis for trying to claim Scythian or whatever ancestry, and always trying to find the lightest and most Iranic looking Punjabis and then portraying them as the typical case.

Internet Punjabis are a real interesting breed to be sure.

Out of all the states of India, punjab has the greatest percentage of dalits and shudrah, pak punjab is probably similar but no one keeps records, punjab is the land of dalits and shudrahs not synthians.

[maneatinglizard]

Out of all the states of India, punjab has the greatest percentage of dalits and shudrah, pak punjab is probably similar but no one keeps records, punjab is the land of dalits and shudrahs not synthians.

There's another common tactic of Internet Punjabis, where whenever someone shows pictures of dark-skinned Punjabis, they'll cry and moan about how those are Dalits and not representative of the overall population. But, as you said, Punjab has the largest proportion of Dalits of any region in India, so even if those dark-skinned Punjabis really were Dalits, they'd still represent the typical Punjabi well.

What I really don't get is why Muslim Punjabis seem to have the same resentment towards their heritage as the Hindu ones. Being a Dalit means nothing in Islam, so why does anyone care if they were the son of a Scythian or a Dalit? The religious ones I know don't seem to care at all, but it seems like the less religious ones still have that Hindu mentality of being conscious about their caste. And yet those are the same ones that will argue endlessly about how they have nothing to do with Indians.

[Iblis_Efreetzai]

"WE WUZ IRANICS N SHEEETZ"

For this part alone ....hahahhahaha

[a.s.takhar]

The only gypsies are Indians....thats the word for Indians who migrated from India to Europe...Dont be a selfhater...

Baloch are southern most population...along the coastlines near Persian Gulf/Indian Ocean, some have mixed with Black Africans, Arabs as well as Indians of Pakistan..the Lady in your pic looks African/Mixed with african/Indian...

In Afghanistan, Baluchs look more like other Afghanis:

There's another common tactic of Internet Punjabis, where whenever someone shows pictures of dark-skinned Punjabis, they'll cry and moan about how those are Dalits and not representative of the overall population. But, as you said, Punjab has the largest proportion of Dalits of any region in India, so even if those dark-skinned Punjabis really were Dalits, they'd still represent the typical Punjabi well.

What I really don't get is why Muslim Punjabis seem to have the same resentment towards their heritage as the Hindu ones. Being a Dalit means nothing in Islam, so why does anyone care if they were the son of a Scythian or a Dalit? The religious ones I know don't seem to care at all, but it seems like the less religious ones still have that Hindu mentality of being conscious about their caste. And yet those are the same ones that will argue endlessly about how they have nothing to do with Indians.

For this part alone ....hahahhahaha

When mungo jerry posted some dark Balochis, user Kabulistan started crying they were not really Baloch and mixed with Africans Arabs and Indians.
He posted the sunburnt lady and said Afghanis and Baluchs in Afghanistan look like her. Talk about self haters.

But but if we say someone looks Dalit then again you all cry.
This place has so many idiotic donkeys.

[a.s.takhar]

The word 'Hindu' originally just meant 'Indian' in Persian just like it moreorless does today (the pronunciation has changed to 'Hendi') but depending on the time / era of history 'Hindu' has taken on negative connotations / mocking stereotypes in Persian, kind of like how the word "paki" is used today by English-speakers to express contempt for South Asians.

Interestingly, the insults and contemptous attitude associated today with the word "paki" in English is moreorless the same mocking contempt that was once associated with the word 'Hindu' by the Persians.

In both cases, "paki" and "Hindu" being used as pejoratives, the contempt and mockery derrived as a result of Persians and English mainly coming into contact with the Indians we now call Punjabis (Paki and Indian immigrants to the UK are mostly Punjabis and Persian and Turkic attacks on India always went through Punjab).

Bacially, the negative and mocking things associated with "paki" in English and "Hindu" in Persian (depending on the era for Persian) are very similarly things like: having dark skin and being considered "ugly", dishonest, uncultured, smelly, weak, foreigner, rude behavior, disgusting habits, strange (as in ridiculous, laughable) untrustworthy, vagrant, unclean...

You can clearly see that Persians and English have come to similar historical views of pakis / Indians when it comes to derision, the negative things having mainly derrived from their contact with Punjabis / northwest Indians.

But generally 'Hindu' has mainly been used as a generic racial label in Persian to refer to all Indians. No different from the English word "Indian", or the now contemporary "politically correct" term "South Asian" (because pakis cant handle being reminded that they are just Indians with a fake fabricated nationality, so 'South Asian' is slowly replacing 'Indian' as the generic term for their racial group).

I have not often come across "slave" being associated with the word "Hindu" when reading history, but certainly Indians were often enslaved during the Tuco-Persian era in Iran / Central Asia. The Safavids for example had a large number of eunuchs from India knows as "the black slaves" in Persian, and were treated the worst of the slaves at the Persian court. Unlike the Georgian slaves in Safavid Persia, the Indians were entirely castrated and never considered for any duties than being a eunach. Georgian slaves ('the white slaves') on the other hand were allowed to rise up in the Persian army and at court, they were also allowed to settle permanently in Persia and become assimilated Persians. Indians were not, not even the 'Banyans' (Indian merchants) who were eventually all kicked out of Iran (in Safavid times a community of Indians was allowed to establish themselves temporarily in Esfahan).

hahahaa...

The Georgian white slaves must have been used to make Pashtuns white as well?

FOB is a self hater luntaic if ever there was one.

PS. FOB - Are you Afghani or Dravidian Indian?

[a.s.takhar]

Funny thing is South Indians make fun of Punjabis for their self-hate too. I've seen Indians on other forums mock Punjabis for trying to claim Scythian or whatever ancestry, and always trying to find the lightest and most Iranic looking Punjabis and then portraying them as the typical case.

Internet Punjabis are a real interesting breed to be sure.

guy, on internet anyone can make fun of anyone but in real they cant make fun of us.