Indian Sikhs begging to be 'Persian'

[Karachi]

That name Paul Gill I have seen on various anthro forums...he might be a selfhater....

But that said...I cannot deny that many NW Indians and Paki Punjabies as well are not Pure Indians, but rather descended of outside conquerors Central Asia/Iranian plateau and Local Indic populations...

If Persian was still the Main language in these regions the culturally Bond might have been stronger than its today...

There is no such thing as a pure Indian if you look at genetically, (ancestral south indians) were pure Indians, but they dont exist anymore. Andamanese are the closes population to them. Tamils/South Indians have the largest amount of their dna at 60-70%, while average Punjabis have 40-50% of their dna. Rest of south asian dna actually comes from ancient Middle eastern or east asian populations that migrated to the region over 5000 year ago.

also Punjabis are very much Indians if you look at them. having 40-50% of ancestral south indian dna makes you indian, because if we go by your logic then even Tamils wont be considered Indians

[Friends of Baloch]

That name Paul Gill I have seen on various anthro forums...he might be a selfhater....

But that said...I cannot deny that many NW Indians and Paki Punjabies as well are not Pure Indians, but rather descended of outside conquerors Central Asia/Iranian plateau and Local Indic populations...

LOL.

Just like this "Paul" Gill.

Why do some people not want to learn and read history but instead make up their own fairy tale version of it and start treating their fiction as fact?

The overwhelming majority of Punjabis are Jats, Gujjars, Awans, Lohars, Chuhras, Cheemas etc These are all Hindu peoples. These are all peoples that are part of a society and culture historically deeply rooted in "caste". None of them have anything to do with "Persians" or "Central Asians".

When the British conquered Punjab they identified only two recognizable "foreign origin nations" living in some parts of Punjab: the Baloch and the so called "Pathan" (Afghan).

There is absolutely zero trace of any Turkic or 'Persian' descendant communities in Punjab.

The only 'Persian' descent people living in the entire Indian subcontinent are the Parsis, who live in Bombay and Gujarat, both in India. A tiny Parsi community can be found in Sindh, who migrated there from Gujarat during the "British Raj".

Examination of Parsi male DNA has confirmed their ancestral link to Iran. But their maternal DNA has been found to be primarily Indian, which is no suprise since they migrated to India over 1000 years ago, and are the ONLY people in history to have been recorded as having migrated from 'Persia' to settle in India.

There are no other certified historical records or accounts of any other 'Persian' migration and settlement (not the same as invade, plunder and return) in South Asia.

None of the communities that make up the people we now call "Punjabis" have an ancestral link to Iran. If they did, then Parsis would cluster with them on DNA tables. But they dont. Parsis are at a noticeable genetic distance from ALL other South Asian communities.

If Persian was still the Main language in these regions the culturally Bond might have been stronger than its today...

Persian was never the "main language" anywhere in South Asia. Even Parsis had stopped speaking it before the Mughals arrived. It was only the language of the foreign elite who were tiny in number compared to the natives that they ruled over. The masses of natives did not know Persian and most had almost no interaction with their rulers until the British conquered India since Indians were mainly peasants living in small villages which were not permanent settlements.

Mughal sources note that it was a common way of life that Indians regularly abandoned villages and moved from place to place, sometimes even very long distances from Central all the way to Nortwest India or from North to East depending on things like draught, famine, war, inter-Hindu conflict, and even over just rumors of nearby disasters or for superstitious beliefs of bad omens or good fortunes to be found elsewhere etc (a way of life still practiced by gypsies, who originated from India millenia ago).

Hardly an environment where Persian could be taught and learned by the majority millions of uneducated and illiterate Indian peasants and pastoralists, which is what most of the natives in NW India were under Turkic and Mughal rule. Let alone these millions of peasant Indians having any use for a foreign language anyway.

[mungojerry]

LOL.

Just like this "Paul" Gill.

Why do some people not want to learn and read history but instead make up their own fairy tale version of it and start treating their fiction as fact?

The overwhelming majority of Punjabis are Jats, Gujjars, Awans, Lohars, Chuhras, Cheemas etc These are all Hindu peoples. These are all peoples that are part of a society and culture historically deeply rooted in "caste". None of them have anything to do with "Persians" or "Central Asians".

When the British conquered Punjab they identified only two recognizable "foreign origin nations" living in some parts of Punjab: the Baloch and the so called "Pathan" (Afghan).

There is absolutely zero trace of any Turkic or 'Persian' descendant communities in Punjab.

The only 'Persian' descent people living in the entire Indian subcontinent are the Parsis, who live in Bombay and Gujarat, both in India. A tiny Parsi community can be found in Sindh, who migrated there from Gujarat during the "British Raj".

Examination of Parsi male DNA has confirmed their ancestral link to Iran. But their maternal DNA has been found to be primarily Indian, which is no suprise since they migrated to India over 1000 years ago, and are the ONLY people in history to have been recorded as having migrated from 'Persia' to settle in India.

There are no other certified historical records or accounts of any other 'Persian' migration and settlement (not the same as invade, plunder and return) in South Asia.

None of the communities that make up the people we now call "Punjabis" have an ancestral link to Iran. If they did, then Parsis would cluster with them on DNA tables. But they dont. Parsis are at a noticeable genetic distance from ALL other South Asian communities.

Persian was never the "main language" anywhere in South Asia. Even Parsis had stopped speaking it before the Mughals arrived. It was only the language of the foreign elite who were tiny in number compared to the natives that they ruled over. The masses of natives did not know Persian and most had almost no interaction with their rulers until the British conquered India since Indians were mainly peasants living in small villages which were not permanent settlements.

Mughal sources note that it was a common way of life that Indians regularly abandoned villages and moved from place to place, sometimes even very long distances from Central all the way to Nortwest India or from North to East depending on things like draught, famine, war, inter-Hindu conflict, and even over just rumors of nearby disasters or for superstitious beliefs of bad omens or good fortunes to be found elsewhere etc (a way of life still practiced by gypsies, who originated from India millenia ago).

Hardly an environment where Persian could be taught and learned by the majority millions of uneducated and illiterate Indian peasants and pastoralists, which is what most of the natives in NW India were under Turkic and Mughal rule. Let alone these millions of peasant Indians having any use for a foreign language anyway.

ok it now easy to see you are Dravidian man.

baloch and pashtunes are gypsy origins. baloch and pashtune always went place to place. they had not any proper houses.

we laugh at baloch in pakistan. even now baloch cant build house. they live in tent.

you seen here gypsy baloch in Persia.


baloch gypsy.

[Friends of Baloch]

I've seen this person on another forum, but I've never seen other sikhs anywhere describing themselves as a mixture of Central Asian and Persian, they're a pretty proud group of people who are not involved in all the "my ancestry is actually..." stuff you see from other South Asians.

I've seen other Sikhs tell lies and beg to be 'Central Asian' and 'Persian' before. But nothing in comparison to Pakis.

A few years ago i knew someone that was signed up with an agency that recruits people to occassionally work as background extras for movies, advertisements, music videos etc They told me that this agency had made its profiles book publicly viewable. You could search the profiles book for characteristics like ethnicity which was categorised under self-described labels like White, Black, South Asian, East Asian, Central Asian, South American, Mediterranean, Middle East & Nort African etc

When i took a look at the 'Central Asian' list there were about 100 people on it. Something like 90% of them were Sikhs and Pakis who had self-described their ethnicity as 'Central Asian' and many had self-described their skin type as "olive" even though you could see from their profile pictures they were clearly neither.

Can you imagine how frustrating this would be for somebody making a film or tv show on say Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan or something and they contact this agency for a list of their "Central Asian" profiles, and the background cast list they get back is 90% made up of South Asians that have lied about their ethncity and skin type?

Not only are these idiots who listed themselves as "Central Asian" obviously not going to get any work to be a background extra on any production, but they are wasting the time of production teams that would ever need Central Asian looking people and have to scan through a list of background extras that is full of self-hating Pakis and Indians that might fool themselves into thinking they are "Central Asian" or this or that, but wont ever be able to fool anyone else.

[Elite Pakhtun]

I've seen this person on another forum, but I've never seen other sikhs anywhere describing themselves as a mixture of Central Asian and Persian, they're a pretty proud group of people who are not involved in all the "my ancestry is actually..." stuff you see from other South Asians.

You are mistaken. I will grant you that they primarily drone on about how punjabi they are (after playing some boilerplate autotune song they have so many of), but if you get to know any on a personal level, like I did, you will see them mentioning it every so often.

Some of my former friends, now enemies, were sikh. They weren't turban wearing etc, ie they looked, and acted, like normal brown people that have assimilated in the country I'm in. Every so often some of them would talk about how they're actually Persian/ancestors are Persian. This is many many years before I joined this site.

[mungojerry]

i have question for users in these forum.

if Baloch and Afghans are aryans of central asia, how is true that many baloch in our pakistan looks like this here below going this place or that place.





and pashtunes are gypsy origin. this here how all pashtunes live before using donkeys and camels.





sorry i not believing baloch and pashtunes are aryans of central asia or related to Persians. i think they have origin gypsy.
can you explain me this Friends of the Dravidian Balochs?

[Karachi]

^ orginally Balochistan was Dravidian/Indian, but Baloch themselves came from some where else

[Charsi Malang]

I've seen other Sikhs tell lies and beg to be 'Central Asian' and 'Persian' before. But nothing in comparison to Pakis.

A few years ago i knew someone that was signed up with an agency that recruits people to occassionally work as background extras for movies, advertisements, music videos etc They told me that this agency had made its profiles book publicly viewable. You could search the profiles book for characteristics like ethnicity which was categorised under self-described labels like White, Black, South Asian, East Asian, Central Asian, South American, Mediterranean, Middle East & Nort African etc

When i took a look at the 'Central Asian' list there were about 100 people on it. Something like 90% of them were Sikhs and Pakis who had self-described their ethnicity as 'Central Asian' and many had self-described their skin type as "olive" even though you could see from their profile pictures they were clearly neither.

Can you imagine how frustrating this would be for somebody making a film or tv show on say Uzbekistan or Kazakhstan or something and they contact this agency for a list of their "Central Asian" profiles, and the background cast list they get back is 90% made up of South Asians that have lied about their ethncity and skin type?

Not only are these idiots who listed themselves as "Central Asian" obviously not going to get any work to be a background extra on any production, but they are wasting the time of production teams that would ever need Central Asian looking people and have to scan through a list of background extras that is full of self-hating Pakis and Indians that might fool themselves into thinking they are "Central Asian" or this or that, but wont ever be able to fool anyone else.

Hilarious....hahahahaha maybe that's why there were no Desis in the Borat movie with Sacha Baron Cohen. LOL. Your post honestly made me laugh.

I used to know a boy in college. He was Pakistani but originally I think his family were Indian Muslims. He claimed his grandparents were Iranian. Of course, no one in his family could speak Farsi- he spoke Urdu, had "Desi" written all over him, liked lreading an Urdu paper, as dark as a Sri Lankan and used to try and shun Pakhtuns at every opportunity he got.

[Friends of Baloch]

Hilarious....hahahahaha maybe that's why there were no Desis in the Borat movie with Sacha Baron Cohen. LOL. Your post honestly made me laugh.

I used to know a boy in college. He was Pakistani but originally I think his family were Indian Muslims. He claimed his grandparents were Iranian. Of course, no one in his family could speak Farsi- he spoke Urdu, had "Desi" written all over him, liked lreading an Urdu paper, as dark as a Sri Lankan and used to try and shun Pakhtuns at every opportunity he got.

South Asians are disgusting.

There is a British documentary by Michael Wood from the 1990s called 'In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great'. In the last episode Wood goes to Pakiland and finds some Dravidians in Multan running some kind of drugstore that claim to be the descendants of Alexander's 'doctors' and that their practice is 'Greek medicine'.

It is so revolting and cringeworthy when these Pakis tell these unbelievable lies all the time and try to relate themselves to completely different races and cultures to themselves like 'Persians' or Central Asians, sometimes even f'n Greeks! Haha..

What a seriously disturbed and sick people punjabs are.

[mungojerry]

South Asians are disgusting.

There is a British documentary by Michael Wood from the 1990s called 'In the Footsteps of Alexander the Great'. In the last episode Wood goes to Pakiland and finds some Dravidians in Multan running some kind of drugstore that claim to be the descendants of Alexander's 'doctors' and that their practice is 'Greek medicine'.

It is so revolting and cringeworthy when these Pakis tell these unbelievable lies all the time and try to relate themselves to completely different races and cultures to themselves like 'Persians' or Central Asians, sometimes even f'n Greeks! Haha..

What a seriously disturbed and sick people punjabs are.

haha. you are funny Dravidian idiot man.

what you talk about is called "Greek medicine".
i done search found this.

Yunani medicine - Wikipedia
Internet Scientific Publications

this system found in Punjab. we are use this medecine.
you are south indian dravidian man who not know about this Greek medecine.

[mungojerry]

Hahaha. You think I'm even going to entertain the content of your response? You actually think you can even communicate with me? You actually think you are good enough for me to write you a proper post back?

Hahahahaha. Learn to read and write first my friend, then go have a shower and come back and try and argue with me.

why you Pathans wants to be Pakistani? It means you are wannabe desi. haha

that sikh man only means his ancestors might come from somewhere near Persia thousands years before. he not means his ancestors came from Persia 100 years before. no desi wants to be persian. you know what persian look like? no way any desi wants to look like persian. haha.

[mungojerry]

^ orginally Balochistan was Dravidian/Indian, but Baloch themselves came from some where else

brothar i am agree with you. only a few Baloch came from somewhere else, most are Dravidian origin who started speaking balochi language.

[Karachi]

Hilarious....hahahahaha maybe that's why there were no Desis in the Borat movie with Sacha Baron Cohen. LOL. Your post honestly made me laugh.

I used to know a boy in college. He was Pakistani but originally I think his family were Indian Muslims. He claimed his grandparents were Iranian. Of course, no one in his family could speak Farsi- he spoke Urdu, had "Desi" written all over him, liked lreading an Urdu paper, as dark as a Sri Lankan and used to try and shun Pakhtuns at every opportunity he got.

This is a muslim south asian problem overall, but it is found most in the Punjab region because it was effected the most by invaders, the hindu south asians do not claim such stupid stuff
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[Elite Pakhtun]

This is a muslim south asian problem overall, but it is found most in the Punjab region because it was effected the most by invaders, the hindu south asians do not claim such stupid stuff
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Wrong again.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/799932-post9.html

[Karachi]

Wrong again.

http://www.pashtunforums.com/799932-post9.html

That guy is Sikh and most likely this Paul Gill guy, he is all over the net