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You sound like Khostai and Karachi and once upon a time RTR. You provide no evidence of what you say the root cause of the problems you mention. Domestic violence still exist in the West and it is common.Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostThe problem of these women is the denial of sexuality in our culture. Our so called "culture" and "morality'' is extremely misogynistic. Women are considered as inferior, ignorant sexual objects.
This is why even secular liberal irreligious progressive Afghan men beat their wives, when they are young and single, the stalk women, they are known for notoriously sexually harassing women.
When women from an environment like ours escape and discover Western secular liberal environment, they become like these girls.
This is why I always say: if we stop selling women in Afghanistan, if we stop demanding people marry people they don't want to get married to, if we stop demanding money and expensive marriages, of we stop prohibiting men and women to choose their own partners, we will allow young men and women to develop a natural normal sexual lifestyle which is in line with Islam.
The stupid conservatism and hypocrisy of our culture is why we have a very problematic relationship between men and women in our society.
By having more sex on tv, more sex in songs, more objectification of women according to Western standards, we won't liberate women or do them a service.
All conservative countries where women are "liberated" by the west have extremely high level of prostitution and sex trafficking.
Lebanon, Philippines and many African countries are good examples of this kind if Western "liberation" and sexual "revolution".
An Afghan women working for the Kardashians is not because of conservative Afghan culture because many women of many different backgrounds work for the Kardashians. The Kardashians are in business because of their mastery in marketing. They do things just for attention because that is how they make their money.
When OBL niece poses in her underwear for the world, she is rebelling against her conservative culture and when miley cyrus does it, she is rebelling against her conservative hollywood culture, right................
There are more factors than you assume.
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This woman seems to be the classic case of liberal Kabulis(most likely) and a liberal daughter who is making their family proud because she is making good money, regardless of how its made. Short of having sex on film, I find that western Kabuli parents have extremely low moral standards for their children.Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostThe problem of these women is the denial of sexuality in our culture. Our so called "culture" and "morality'' is extremely misogynistic. Women are considered as inferior, ignorant sexual objects.
This is why even secular liberal irreligious progressive Afghan men beat their wives, when they are young and single, the stalk women, they are known for notoriously sexually harassing women.
When women from an environment like ours escape and discover Western secular liberal environment, they become like these girls.
This is why I always say: if we stop selling women in Afghanistan, if we stop demanding people marry people they don't want to get married to, if we stop demanding money and expensive marriages, of we stop prohibiting men and women to choose their own partners, we will allow young men and women to develop a natural normal sexual lifestyle which is in line with Islam.
The stupid conservatism and hypocrisy of our culture is why we have a very problematic relationship between men and women in our society.
By having more sex on tv, more sex in songs, more objectification of women according to Western standards, we won't liberate women or do them a service.
All conservative countries where women are "liberated" by the west have extremely high level of prostitution and sex trafficking.
Lebanon, Philippines and many African countries are good examples of this kind if Western "liberation" and sexual "revolution".There are people today who think that admitting God’s absolute greatness decreases the value and importance of humans in the creation, as if God and mankind are rivals competing in greatness and power. Meanwhile I feel that whenever our perception of God’s greatness increases, with it we become greater, because we are the creation of a great God.
Sayyid Qutb
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I don't get it. Is your response a covert defense of Afghan mysoginistic culture.Originally posted by khushal View PostYou sound like Khostai and Karachi and once upon a time RTR. You provide no evidence of what you say the root cause of the problems you mention. Domestic violence still exist in the West and it is common.
An Afghan women working for the Kardashians is not because of conservative Afghan culture because many women of many different backgrounds work for the Kardashians. The Kardashians are in business because of their mastery in marketing. They do things just for attention because that is how they make their money.
When OBL niece poses in her underwear for the world, she is rebelling against her conservative culture and when miley cyrus does it, she is rebelling against her conservative hollywood culture, right................
There are more factors than you assume.Originally posted by FirdousiNever talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.
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My response is basically that your reasoning for why this happens is misguided. Its the same misguided reasoning that Khostia and Karachi gives.Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostI don't get it. Is your response a covert defense of Afghan mysoginistic culture.
Also your thoughts about misogyny are misguided about sexuality being absent and why liberal men beat their wives. domestic violence causes are more complex than you think.Last edited by khushal; 10-23-2015, 09:58 PM.
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That is no way to be speaking of people you have never had an interaction with. You disappoint me a lot sometimes.Originally posted by randolph85 View PostThis woman seems to be the classic case of liberal Kabulis(most likely) and a liberal daughter who is making their family proud because she is making good money, regardless of how its made. Short of having sex on film, I find that western Kabuli parents have extremely low moral standards for their children.
A tailor does not become responsible for th actions of his clients, why is a beautician being held accountable for the actions of her client??
Even if her behaviour was similar to the kardashians what makes you think that gives you the right to speak so ill of her parents?? Whatever happened to people being responsible for their own actions??
The behaviour of you all in here does not recommend taking pride to anyone in being linked to any of you. I don't blame her for that. Good little habits add up a lot to one's character.
"To burn always with this hard gemlike flame, to maintain this ecstasy, is success in life."
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Her behaviour is the one of a girl that is completly adapted to the Western life style. For your information most people who move to west, like European culture and are not hypocrities that shout for shariah but eat and live in a kafir country.Originally posted by khushal View PostMy response is basically that your reasoning for why this happens is misguided. Its the same misguided reasoning that Khostia and Karachi gives.
Also your thoughts about misogyny are misguided about sexuality being absent and why liberal men beat their wives. domestic violence causes are more complex than you think.
And why should she act like a house slave and follow midievel culture of Afghanistan? She is a grown woman who does what she likes.
The only thing that I find to be stupid is her pretending to be Persian, but reading comments of people like you and other Afghans I can understand why.
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People like Khushal thinks that Afghan culture and way of life is totaly perfect without any problems. Every Afghan is fully 100% follower of Islamic Shariah and people who are slightly diffrent are brainwashed. He is a typicaly western born guy who was raised with his jihady parents, who tolled him stories about how good and relligious all Afghans are.Originally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostI don't get it. Is your response a covert defense of Afghan mysoginistic culture.
Thats why he cannot comprehend why people like this girl even excist. He automaticaly thinks that something is wrong with them or they are brainwashed. He cannot comprehend that people have diffrent ideas and people if given freedom will follow difrent live style than his.
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I have worked with social services for 4 years dealing with domestic violence and family problems of Afghan community in Holland.Originally posted by khushal View PostMy response is basically that your reasoning for why this happens is misguided. Its the same misguided reasoning that Khostia and Karachi gives.
Also your thoughts about misogyny are misguided about sexuality being absent and why liberal men beat their wives. domestic violence causes are more complex than you think.
i know more about Afghan family issues than your average Ahmed and Mahmoud. Besides, there is even a PHD research conducted by a Dutch sociologist investigating Afghan social and family problems.
Based on this information I have come to the conclusions I mentioned earlier.
Tell me again why I am wrong.Originally posted by FirdousiNever talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.
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He can't even speak, read or write in Pashto and he thinks he is somehow entitled to have an opinion about Afghanistan.Originally posted by Khostai View PostPeople like Khushal thinks that Afghan culture and way of life is totaly perfect without any problems. Every Afghan is fully 100% follower of Islamic Shariah and people who are slightly diffrent are brainwashed. He is a typicaly western born guy who was raised with his jihady parents, who tolled him stories about how good and relligious all Afghans are.
Thats why he cannot comprehend why people like this girl even excist. He automaticaly thinks that something is wrong with them or they are brainwashed. He cannot comprehend that people have diffrent ideas and people if given freedom will follow difrent live style than his.Originally posted by FirdousiNever talk with Afghans about politics. All their political knowledge is limited to conspiracy theories, political demonization and contradictions. No logic, no reason.
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Then why do you say Saudi Arabia is a place where (real) Islam is most closely practiced. Saudi Arabia is probably the worse oppressor of women. Saudi girls themselves go wild when they come to the west because they are oppressed so badly thereOriginally posted by Shamlawar Khurasani View PostThe problem of these women is the denial of sexuality in our culture. Our so called "culture" and "morality'' is extremely misogynistic. Women are considered as inferior, ignorant sexual objects.
This is why even secular liberal irreligious progressive Afghan men beat their wives, when they are young and single, the stalk women, they are known for notoriously sexually harassing women.
When women from an environment like ours escape and discover Western secular liberal environment, they become like these girls.
This is why I always say: if we stop selling women in Afghanistan, if we stop demanding people marry people they don't want to get married to, if we stop demanding money and expensive marriages, of we stop prohibiting men and women to choose their own partners, we will allow young men and women to develop a natural normal sexual lifestyle which is in line with Islam.
The stupid conservatism and hypocrisy of our culture is why we have a very problematic relationship between men and women in our society.
By having more sex on tv, more sex in songs, more objectification of women according to Western standards, we won't liberate women or do them a service.
All conservative countries where women are "liberated" by the west have extremely high level of prostitution and sex trafficking.
Lebanon, Philippines and many African countries are good examples of this kind if Western "liberation" and sexual "revolution".
Some thing is seriously wrong with all the cultures of muslim lands. In all honesty I think Allah should just wipe out the current generation of muslims and start over. There is nothing good about those countries/cultures
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Originally posted by khushal View PostYou sound like Khostai and Karachi and once upon a time RTR. You provide no evidence of what you say the root cause of the problems you mention. Domestic violence still exist in the West and it is common.
An Afghan women working for the Kardashians is not because of conservative Afghan culture because many women of many different backgrounds work for the Kardashians. The Kardashians are in business because of their mastery in marketing. They do things just for attention because that is how they make their money.
When OBL niece poses in her underwear for the world, she is rebelling against her conservative culture and when miley cyrus does it, she is rebelling against her conservative hollywood culture, right................
There are more factors than you assume.
Extreme conservative cultures of muslim societies is a huge problem, but idiot mullahs like you who are still living in caves can't seem to understand it. There are so many evil things going on in these conservative societies for example (bacha bazi) yet morons like you cover it up instead of solving the issues
I would rather make Shamlawar deal with the issues, at least he wants to see some change. People like you think current Islamic societies are perfect and no change is needed. You must be high on all the opium and live in a completely delusional world
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