Contradictions

[HalloIsBack]

it makes sense but you don't want to understand. taking drug is an individual action, it is the individual's choice the same way if a woman wants to walk on the road half naked or full naked.

and how does it harm the society?
there will be just an accident on the road but no harm to society

[jankhan]

and how does it harm the society?
there will be just an accident on the road but no harm to society

so you think a naked or half naked girl walking on the road or on tv does not affect the young boys and men and women ???????
Are you mentally ok ?

[HalloIsBack]

so you think a naked or half naked girl walking on the road or on tv does not affect the young boys and men and women ???????
Are you mentally ok ?

now you start to insult me! no wonder that pashtuns are hating you!
its a huge difference if she is walking down the street or show her naked body on tv; in both cases its her choise to do it or not

people in the west have total different accosiation with naked body in compare to people in pakistan

only in the nights women are showing their naked body on tv, little boys are sleeping and grown men are to do what their want as long as their keep to the laws

it depends how the naked women is looking and what is she tryign to sell, only on stupid peopel she can affect

[jankhan]

lol

[Brown Skinned Savage]

it's not a component of western culture! just look how the western culture is now and how was it 50 years and 100 years ago! there are certain group who are doing this brainwashign and sell it as western lifestyle

Actually how it is now vs how it was is precisely what demonstrates social brainwashing guides behavior in Western culture. Because current status quo was engineered by social policy to steer society in a certain direction.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

now you start to insult me! no wonder that pashtuns are hating you!
its a huge difference if she is walking down the street or show her naked body on tv; in both cases its her choise to do it or not

people in the west have total different accosiation with naked body in compare to people in pakistan

only in the nights women are showing their naked body on tv, little boys are sleeping and grown men are to do what their want as long as their keep to the laws

it depends how the naked women is looking and what is she tryign to sell, only on stupid peopel she can affect

That is a scientifically inaccurate statement. There was a study done out of Princeton by Dr. Susan Fiske looking at the effect of diminished clothing in females in American Society, on the male brain. Here is the Gaurdian's summary:

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2...ect-photograph

Apparently there is an INHERENT BIOLOGICAL REACTION that occurs in the male brain:

Researchers used brain scans to show that when straight men looked at pictures of women in bikinis, areas of the brain that normally light up in anticipation of using tools, like spanners and screwdrivers, were activated.

Scans of some of the men found that a part of the brain associated with empathy for other people's emotions and wishes shut down after looking at the pictures.

In the study, Fiske's team put straight men into an MRI brain scanner and showed them images of either clothed men and women, or more scantily clad men and women. When they took a memory test afterwards, the men best remembered images of bikini-clad women whose heads had been digitally removed.

The brain scans showed that when men saw the images of the women's bodies, activity increased in part of the brain called the premotor cortex, which is involved in urges to take action. The same area lights up before using power tools to do DIY. "It's as if they immediately thought to act on theses bodies," Fiske said.

In the final part of the study, Fiske asked the men to fill in a questionnaire that was used to assess how sexist they were. The brain scans showed that men who scored highest had very little activity in the prefrontal cortex and other brain regions that are involved with understanding another person's feelings and intentions. "They're reacting to these women as if they're not fully human," Fiske

The point is that in another interview, Dr. Fiske says, VERY IMPORTANTLY:

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/19/women.bikinis.objects/

"They're not fully conscious responses, and so people don't know the extent to which they're being influenced," Fiske said. "It's important to recognize the effects."

That article goes on to describe a supplementary study:

A supplementary study on both male and female undergraduates found that men tend to associate bikini-clad women with first-person action verbs such as I "push," "handle" and "grab" instead of the third-person forms such as she "pushes," "handles" and "grabs." They associated fully clothed women, on the other hand, with the third-person forms, indicating these women were perceived as in control of their own actions. The females who took the test did not show this effect, Fiske said.

The article goes on to note:

Past studies have also shown that when men view images of highly sexualized women, and then interact with a woman in a separate setting, they are more likely to have sexual words on their minds, she said. They are also more likely to remember the woman's physical appearance, and sit closer to her -- for instance, at a job interview.

"The suggestion might be that there's some hard-wiring there that can interfere with the average man's ability to interact on deeper levels with really hot looking stranger women in bikinis," he said.

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So in summary, the preponderance of evidence and data from the West, itself, shows you are naive, grossly uninformed, and like Badlun, pretty much inventing idealistic concepts to suit your purposes. The reality is that men are hard wired by nature to view things the way that they do.

This is why the Quran astutely commands men "Lower your gaze and gaurd your modesty" because man's senses are visual and the science confirms this.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

now you start to insult me! no wonder that pashtuns are hating you!
its a huge difference if she is walking down the street or show her naked body on tv; in both cases its her choise to do it or not

people in the west have total different accosiation with naked body in compare to people in pakistan

only in the nights women are showing their naked body on tv, little boys are sleeping and grown men are to do what their want as long as their keep to the laws

it depends how the naked women is looking and what is she tryign to sell, only on stupid peopel she can affect

And that statement is incorrect, once again according to interpretations of the science:

"The suggestion might be that there's some hard-wiring there that can interfere with the average man's ability to interact on deeper levels with really hot looking stranger women in bikinis," he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/19...kinis.objects/

LOL. This truth from Dr. Fiske will no doubt enrage the secular militants here who pertend to grasp science but rather are pseudo scientists at best and pretty much have invented their own religion irrespective of what the data shows or may suggest.

[DaZahroJaam.]

yeah so when your daughter gets raped, remind her that she didn't guard her modesty and that it's not the man's fault but that the man has been designed to be a rapist.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

yeah so when your daughter gets raped, remind her that she didn't guard her modesty and that it's not the man's fault but that the man has been designed to be a rapist.

In part both statements are true. A subset of men are likely pathologically defined/conditioned? to rape. The Quran places emphasis on both sexes having a share in propriety in that the man should control himself and not gawk and the woman should be congnizent of what Dr. Raison of Emory says when reviewing Fisk's work:

"

Both women and men have something to learn from this line of research, Raison said. Women should be aware of how they are perceived when wearing provocative clothing, ... "

http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/02/19...kinis.objects/

which pretty much is in line with what Surah Nur promulgates in ayaah 30:

they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husband's fathers, their sons, their husbands' sons, their brothers or their brothers' sons, or their sisters' sons, or their women, or the slaves whom their right hands possess, or male servants free of physical needs,...

As far as I know though, in the law codes, a man that rapes a female is not permitted the excuse of female provocation.

But certainly, if my daughter or any other female is foolish enough to flaunt herself in the wrong circumstance and put herself in harms way, she is tempting fate and biology and is in the running for the Darwin Award for least likely to survive or most naive.

If there is no law system or penalty or consequence at play for the potential rapist these sorts of animalistic base nature acts come out to the fore. This is why rapes increase in war zones when law and order breaks down.

[DaZahroJaam.]

I was being sarcastic. Don't bore me with your boring lectures.

[HalloIsBack]

raping during the wars is a weapon
women in indiginous peoples have naked breast and no one rape them
but women with scarf like in egypt are sexually bothered on daily bases

[randolph85]

When the brotherhood wasn't getting slaughtered on the streets or arrested en masse, their patrols would assault those who harassed women in the street.

[BarakzaiAbdali]

raping during the wars is a weapon

Not true. Read about the case of Abeer Hamza and the rapist Stephen Green in Iraq. It had nothing to do with weaponization - rather Green was an unstable personality who had no law or restriction regulating his behavior.

women in indiginous peoples have naked breast and no one rape them

Incorrect, in 2007 the Working Group looked into sexual rape and violence done to Pygmy women and found Pygmy women in Gabon suffered from several types of sexual violence. Many children born to rapes are abandoned.

You pulled this comment out of nowhere and just made an assumption without validating it.

but women with scarf like in egypt are sexually bothered on daily bases

By who? Mubarak's goons? Egyptian cities are thrust into being forced fed cultural "change" by secular militants at the barrell end of a gun, termed "modernity" vs the native rural culture running up against this push.

Second of all, besides NY City, pretty much every American city would arrest an indigenously dressed women for the charge of "indecent exposure."

As I said before, your qualm with Islam and Muslim men rests on your personal mistakes and dating history. I repeat once again, if you decided to date a Muslim man (and like any men Muslim men are prone to human mistakes) and then got burned when culture superseded what he promised you - you should go take that out on that person... not every Muslim man or even every Islamist in the world. It takes two to tango and you were a consenting adult. A great majority of us here have never led on or bothered a white girl or given them false hope - for you to judge the whole group because of your own mistake is feeble minded.

[کیش]

As I said before, your qualm with Islam and Muslim men rests on your personal mistakes and dating history. I repeat once again, if you decided to date a Muslim man (and like any men Muslim men are prone to human mistakes) and then got burned when culture superseded what he promised you - you should go take that out on that person... not every Muslim man or even every Islamist in the world. It takes two to tango and you were a consenting adult. A great majority of us here have never led on or bothered a white girl or given them false hope - for you to judge the whole group because of your own mistake is feeble minded.

My brother, this user is a COINTELPRO agent. You cannot verify if it is even a female or not.

It's job is to report on the activities and beliefs of Pashtuns online.

[Khostai]

So basicaly you porkis think that mdernity is being nude and sexy. LOL you people are pathetic -_-

I guess the amazone tribes in South America are the most modern people in the world. lol