tilla_jogian versus Toramana

[tilla_jogian]

What are you going to do, Take them to the Heera Mandi for indoctrination?

Give them nationality, make them human beings again. Put some sense of real ghairat in them, stop practice of selling daughters no matter how poor one is, stop living like gypsis etc The list is endless.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Real Ghairat, like putting brothels next to Mughal Mosques with legal license....clearly what Ghairati people would do.....I wonder if that's even heard of in Afghanistan.

[tilla_jogian]

Real Ghairat, like putting brothels next to Mughal Mosques with legal license....clearly what Ghairati people would do.....I wonder if that's even heard of in Afghanistan.

Not only prostitution is prevalent in Afghanistan but also bacha bazi which have no equivalent in any other part of the world. In fact taliban used to rape any women they wished in taliban era. And afghani taliban still keep little childrens with them. Heera mandi can be closed down if imports (girls) from Afghanistan are prevented.

Every 2nd home in Afghanistan is heera mandi, most women have to sell themselves to doctors so they can treat their children. Afghani donkey like you have no idea what actually goes in your country, you was luckly enough that your parents escaped early. Thats it if you are real afghani or at least half afghani. Soon kanjarkhana word will be replaced with afghanistan.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

I already covered that; Prostitution exists everywhere ...but the difference is IN YOUR culture you SANCTION it. Heera Mandi isn't happening illegally or behind closed doors, It's out for everyone to see. in Afghanistan it happens in extreme secrecy precisely because it has social repercussions.


That's why Punjabis could never be Ghairati; they find things acceptable that Pashtuns would never accept. Same with Bach Bazi, Your Hijras dance in the street in the open and solicit customers with no repercussions.

[tilla_jogian]

I already covered that; Prostitution exists everywhere ...but the difference is IN YOUR culture you SANCTION it. Heera Mandi isn't happening illegally or behind closed doors, It's out for everyone to see. in Afghanistan it happens in extreme secrecy precisely because it has social repercussions.


That's why Punjabis could never be Ghairati; they find things acceptable that Pashtuns would never accept. Same with Bach Bazi, Your Hijras dance in the street in the open and solicit customers with no repercussions.

Are you pissed because someone close to you ended up in heera mandi? Because you can't get heera mandi out of your head. Only kanjars are this obssesive over heera mandi, but since you are afghani thats explain it.

Hijras? As if hijras don't exist among afghanis right? And it happens in extreme secrecy? lol, good excuse as if this change anything.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Well I'm sure someone close to you is in the Heera Mandi; your Punjabi womenfolk. So your projection makes sense. The reason I mention it is because it represents the nature of your culture; these things are out in the open because your culture accepts it. That's NOT Ghairat.

do you see what I am getting at yet? Punjabi culture = accepts hijras & prostitutes and let's them hang out openly , Pashtun culture = Same things happen only in secret because they're not accepted.

[tilla_jogian]

Well I'm sure someone close to you is in the Heera Mandi; your Punjabi womenfolk. So your projection makes sense. The reason I mention it is because it represents the nature of your culture; these things are out in the open because your culture accepts it. That's NOT Ghairat.

do you see what I am getting at yet? Punjabi culture = accepts hijras & prostitutes and let's them hang out openly , Pashtun culture = Same things happen only in secret because they're not accepted.

heera mandi is known for people who were in to it. Before they belonged to kanjar tribe (rajasthani origin tribe), soon after kanjar word become associated with people like them. But now heera mandi is associated with afghanis, so this word will replace kanjar.

In afghanistan not only taliban openly used to rape any women they wished, but also openly have kids with them. Its not a secret, so things does not happen in secrecy in Afghanistan.

Ghairat is not keeping daughter under wraps for years but then sell them to any kami for money. This is not ghairat but beghairty. Living like gypsy is not ghairat but begharti. These things will not make any sense to you because you are from beghairat society.

Your obsession over heera mandi tells me of some past trauma which you can't get over it.

[Brown Skinned Savage]

Excuses , excuses, whatever the reason it was built. It's still legal , given legal safety and social sanction in Punjab. Hence it represents Punjabi culture, same with Hijras. Even rapists in Punjab are given reprieve. Remember in Punjabi culture "rape" is used to punish women. Seriously, you have the worst case of denial.

As for what the Taliban did, they did not "openly" rape women, in fact they pretended they didnt' do that. Every Taliban denies doing it, hence it's not "open". But most Afghans consider the Taliban , Punjabi stooges, ....see a pattern here?

[tripledouble]

Excuses , excuses, whatever the reason it was built. It's still legal , given legal safety and social sanction in Punjab. Hence it represents Punjabi culture, same with Hijras. Even rapists in Punjab are given reprieve. Remember in Punjabi culture "rape" is used to punish women. Seriously, you have the worst case of denial.

As for what the Taliban did, they did not "openly" rape women, in fact they pretended they didnt' do that. Every Taliban denies doing it, hence it's not "open". But most Afghans consider the Taliban , Punjabi stooges, ....see a pattern here?

heera mandi is just a name now, the government clamp down on it years ago, it's only famous cause of reputation, & rape did occur during invasions, rape of non-pashtun women is sanctioned

[tilla_jogian]

Excuses , excuses, whatever the reason it was built. It's still legal , given legal safety and social sanction in Punjab. Hence it represents Punjabi culture, same with Hijras. Even rapists in Punjab are given reprieve. Remember in Punjabi culture "rape" is used to punish women. Seriously, you have the worst case of denial.

As for what the Taliban did, they did not "openly" rape women, in fact they pretended they didnt' do that. Every Taliban denies doing it, hence it's not "open". But most Afghans consider the Taliban , Punjabi stooges, ....see a pattern here?

Afghans are taliban, see the patern here? Both behave like kanjars openly but to you in secret which make them ghairatmand in your eyes lol

Even if they can pretend they didn't rape this is good enough to make them ghairatmand. Your values are of any typical afghani(kanjar). Rape then deny which will make you ghairatmand in Afghanistan (kanjarkhana).

[Smarty]

In Lahore , there is a saying among locals, "He is not a true mard punjabi if he has not tasted the pleasures of hera mundi"

[tilla_jogian]

In Lahore , there is a saying among locals, "He is not a true mard punjabi if he has not tasted the pleasures of hera mundi"

You are again confusing Lahore with kabul, I doubt you have set foot outside Abbotabad.

I hope your cnic is real or you may have to visit Kabul soon.

[Smarty]

In our areas word punjabay is synonymous with beghairat and spineless. If some one say to you, "Punjabay shway", it is insult and name calling for you.

[Smarty]

That i being said, i dont condone such views.

[tilla_jogian]

In our areas afghanis display begharti, its not just stereotype. But I wish them best of luck, I have nothing against poor refugees obviously.