Invitation to Barakzai to secularism

[Toramana]

Brother Barakzai, you will find the peace that you are yearning for in secularism. Enough of chasing the mirage and time to embrace secularism. I assure you would be spending your energies on something positive instead of wasting them on destructive degenerative pursuits.

Hope you get the message.

[Tamim]

If I may add my two cents:

Secularism is Islam and Islam is Secularism.

When you have Islam without Secularism you get "Wahabiyyah." (blind faith)
When you have Secularism without Islam you get "Ismailiyyah." (decadence)

You can't have Islam without Secularism or the vice versa.

They are not antonyms of each other...they are not even synonyms of each other. They are integrated, intertwined. The closest description is: milk.

You can't take Islam out of the word "secularism" and you can't take Secularism out of word "islam."

If you even try to, or if you do manage to separate them, you are heading towards WWIII.

[Toramana]

Tamim, I absolutely agree. Islam of the common man is the real Islam-organic, flexible, and adaptable instead of the static, stagnant Islam of Barakzai and Qais. It is a truly real cultural and spiritual phenomenon in which our common folk live their lives

[Toramana]

Come on Barakzai brother. You have to garner some courage and take the crucial life-turning step. You already have made a transition from an Internet warrior for Arabs to being a moderate Pashtun nationalist. The one thing more you have do is to cross the psychological barriers and suppress the huge personal ego and join the secular political view formally.

[jankhan]

Islam does not have any problem with secularism unless it interferes in Islamic matters. Islam is a universal system for all the ages and for all the creations and creatures, at the other hand, secularism is a sub sub limited system made by human beings for the fulfillment of their own desires and needs.

[Tamim]

Islam does not have any problem with secularism unless it interferes in Islamic matters. Islam is a universal system for all the ages and for all the creations and creatures, at the other hand, secularism is a sub sub limited system made by human beings for the fulfillment of their own desires and needs.

Do not confound what secularism is and what you observe in society. Society follows the religion of liberal democracy, at least in the West.

[HalloIsBack]

Do not confound what secularism is and what you observe in society. Society follows the religion of liberal democracy, at least in the West.

that will be their death
people are already fed up with it but the mainstream media force their opinion on people which are not stupid

[Badlun]

Islam does not have any problem with secularism unless it interferes in Islamic matters. Islam is a universal system for all the ages and for all the creations and creatures, at the other hand, secularism is a sub sub limited system made by human beings for the fulfillment of their own desires and needs.

What is Islamic matters? If only faith, worship and universal ethics then yes you are right. If you say Islam is a complete code of life then NO. Then Islam is at loggerheads with secularism. Secularism separates politics from religion. If you mix it then it is not secularism but Islamism and not Islam.

[Badlun]

Brother Barakzai, you will find the peace that you are yearning for in secularism. Enough of chasing the mirage and time to embrace secularism. I assure you would be spending your energies on something positive instead of wasting them on destructive degenerative pursuits.

Hope you get the message.

I totally second you in your this invitation. Barakzai is a Pashtun intellectual and a man with a lot of knowledge and insight but as you said his energies are wasted in Mullaism. Already we have Mullas in plethora but what we lack is scholars who lead Pashtuns in the modern era.

He must embrace secularism and help Pashtuns to be a people of great respect in the comity of nations and not known for Taliban and religious bigotry.

[jankhan]

What is Islamic matters? If only faith, worship and universal ethics then yes you are right. If you say Islam is a complete code of life then NO. Then Islam is at loggerheads with secularism. Secularism separates politics from religion. If you mix it then it is not secularism but Islamism and not Islam.

Islam does not mean only believing in Allah otherwise there is no difference between islam and other religion. Islam means to not only believe in Allah but also equally believe in and act upon in in his each and every word and commandment. "Obey Allah and obey his Rasool" in totality and not according to you your own wishes.

[Tamim]

What is Islamic matters? If only faith, worship and universal ethics then yes you are right. If you say Islam is a complete code of life then NO. Then Islam is at loggerheads with secularism. Secularism separates politics from religion. If you mix it then it is not secularism but Islamism and not Islam.

State (politics) is taken care of by the Secularism in Islam.
Church (religion) is taken care of by the Islam in Secularism.

To separate the two would be to believe in two gods.

The reason why the world is in shambles is because people believe the two are separable and thus should be separate.

How could the two be separable when society cannot run without solid groundings in ethics?

[BarakzaiAbdali]

Brother Barakzai, you will find the peace that you are yearning for in secularism. Enough of chasing the mirage and time to embrace secularism. I assure you would be spending your energies on something positive instead of wasting them on destructive degenerative pursuits.

Hope you get the message.

You mean I am being invited to become a party to the liars and maligners of the Holy Prophet as seen here in the last few posts?:

http://www.pashtunforums.com/showthr...077#post748077

If it be amongst moderate secularists like Ron Paul and Scheuer, then that is good company.

If it is to be in the company of militant secularists who use proxy imperiums to brutalize their own people with lies and distortions (e.g. Miss Taj Andersen + AIRRA groupies)? No Thank You!

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Secularism indeed is a welcome move but i am afraid he won't if your talking about your qadianiat.

I Still regard Qadiani/Ahmadiya as good people as even Dr Abdus Salam was of your kind.

But I don't like Qadiani/Ahmadiya calling themselves muslims like you do.

[Toramana]

Secularism indeed is a welcome move but i am afraid he won't if your talking about your qadianiat.

I Still regard Qadiani/Ahmadiya as good people as even Dr Abdus Salam was of your kind.

But I don't like Qadiani/Ahmadiya calling themselves muslims like you do.

Good shot Da Bannu Mazdigar Saib. But the problem is I am a secular mainstream Pashtun Muslim (as any Muslim in a Peshawar street can be) inclined to spirituality and mysticism. My knowledge of Qadianiyath is next to nothing and may be less than yours.

[Toramana]

I totally second you in your this invitation. Barakzai is a Pashtun intellectual and a man with a lot of knowledge and insight but as you said his energies are wasted in Mullaism. Already we have Mullas in plethora but what we lack is scholars who lead Pashtuns in the modern era.

He must embrace secularism and help Pashtuns to be a people of great respect in the comity of nations and not known for Taliban and religious bigotry.

I am quite sure Barakzai brother would ultimately over-power his ego and see the light. I agree he is good in some areas but the problem is, he cannot or doesn't want to see the multi-dimensionality and plurality of the reality. For him the entire truth is what he is able to see or wants to see or he has been told to see.

Consequently, most of his views are very skewed devoid of any balance or objective foresight.