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  • #46
    Gadoonwal - I agree with you.

    In my experience (sadly) I have noticed that in Pakistan - or any developing country - making money is what is on everyone's mind. The more richer you get the more greedy and money minded you become, because your expenses increase or you develop lifestyles or "standards" for which you have to spend more money to maintain!

    This is what happens with these wealthy so-called Pashtoons who marry non-pashtoons. Materialism is more important to them than culture and Pashtoon values. These are not the people that you should turn to for guidance on Pashtoon values or matters.

    The poor Pashtoons - those are the ones that marry other Pashtoons because they don't judge people by money but by character and the values of Pashtoonwali.

    "Poverty is a true sovereignty and the rich man knows not its delights." - Pashto saying.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Khailzai View Post
      Gadoonwal - I agree with you.

      In my experience (sadly) I have noticed that in Pakistan - or any developing country - making money is what is on everyone's mind. The more richer you get the more greedy and money minded you become, because your expenses increase or you develop lifestyles or "standards" for which you have to spend more money to maintain!

      This is what happens with these wealthy so-called Pashtoons who marry non-pashtoons. Materialism is more important to them than culture and Pashtoon values. These are not the people that you should turn to for guidance on Pashtoon values or matters.

      The poor Pashtoons - those are the ones that marry other Pashtoons because they don't judge people by money but by character and the values of Pashtoonwali.

      "Poverty is a true sovereignty and the rich man knows not its delights." - Pashto saying.
      thats true wrora,welcome.pa khair raglay.



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      • #48
        I have very racist uncle who whenever a "chamakoni" speaks back in Dari/Farsi he asks them "chishi waye ... wale da iranaii zhaba ki khabari key? dasey Afghanistan dai ....da Afghan zhaba ki ghagh waka."

        Needless to say he's my least liked uncle.
        [QUOTE=Afghanistan2010;658085][B]He is no different [COLOR="Red"]than us[/COLOR][/B],[B]he[COLOR="Red"] blindly believes [/COLOR]in the words [COLOR="Red"]of other men[/COLOR][/B],:[/QUOTE]

        2010 Admitting he's a blind believer not in God, but what other men says.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Da Bannu Mazdigar View Post
          Very well said,Agree with most of your post except the pashtuns marriage part.

          I have no hate for Punjabis or Tajiks but I don't want my pashtuns to marry any other ethnicity.We should remain as we are.
          You can deny it or not but this is reality. Why you people always deny reality? It´s better to confrontate reality and deal or solve it than ignore it ignorant-like and accepting to be later in a much worse situation.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by gadoonwal View Post
            Your response is like typical brainwashed afghan, have no knowledge of history and pashtuns.
            kabalay sounds more like pashtu word then urdu or punjabi.The urdu and punjabi speakers call you afghani.They do,nt use the term kabalay.
            Kabuli mean the resident of kabul.Many afghans refugees living in pakistan use this term if you ask them where you from they say ,,,,za da kabal yam,,,,,even they are not from kabul therefore many of us call them kabalyan or kabalay.I see nothing wrong with this word.
            They should be called afghans .Some like the word afghanistani and not afghans.This is another sign of tajik racism.
            Pashtuns in pakistan living in their own wolrd.Punjabis and sindis do,nt even visit their areas.Many pashtuns live in karachi and parts of punjab.
            On the other side the pashtun areas in afghanistan are full of parsians.
            Take in example of gardez,ghazni,laghman,logar,farah etc.Most pashtuns in afghanistan are bilingual.Many have family relations with tajiks.The duranis is mix race of tajik-pashtun origin so as many others.
            The educated pashtuns marry tajik girls and many pashtanay are also married to tajiks and uzbiks.
            Anwarul haque ahadi himself speak farsi at home and he is pashtun nationalist.His wife is farsiwan.Dostum has two pashtun wives.
            There are thousands of example how pashtun and tajik mixed up in afghanistan.It is fact and you can,nt deny this.
            I have been to their gatherings.In the presence of one farsiwans they all start in farsi.They talk day and night of pashtunwali and unity and still speak parsi at home.
            The pure pashtuns are those illetrate one and they speak pashtu.They are not mix .4 million pashtuns of afghanistan are living in pashtunkhwa.Two millions are registerd and the other two millions are unregisterd.Most of them got paki id card.
            In my area 20000 thousands kunari,laghmani and logari lives.Most of them live in camps ,others settled down in other towns.
            This is the case with many other areas.They speak of discrimination and unjustice in afghanistan.Many of them try to return back but there they were called pakis cus could not communicate in parsi.
            Pehaswar was full of farsiwans before but many of them return but still some left.The pashtun refugees some return and the vast majority refuse to go back can you answer why?
            Queta is full of kandari pashtuns and most of them got paki id card.
            If afghanistan is pashtun country why its pure pashtuns do,nt like to going back there?
            The rest i live it with you.
            I never use the word mahajar for afghans in pakistan not even for tajiks.
            I treat them like my country men.But i do,nt understand why they hate pashtuns of east.
            It looks like we are ruling pakistan and sending bomb to afghanistan.
            In reality your own afghans getting bombs and weapons from ,,isi,,and killing their own people.Gulbudin,haqani and talibs are from afghanistan not pakistan.
            You ask punjabi to bomb lahore for you,will he do it?
            no
            so whats wrong with afghans and our own pashtuns?



            Afghanistan was founded by pashtun malak abdali and pashtun tribes.
            The pashtuns have every right to declare pashtu is the only officail language.No need of this bilingual culture.Tajik must stop racism and stop farsiwanization of pashtuns.

            My problem with tajiks is that why they not learning pashtu?
            why they do,nt like speaking pakhtu?
            why they force others to speak farsi?
            you speak to them pashtu and many of them understand but will respond to you in parsi,why?
            On the other side pashtuns day and night communicate with them in parsi.
            I put this question to many pashtuns and none of them answer.
            Some said ,,,pa mung jabar shaway day,,,,,,,,
            The tajiks and royal farsiwans promote persain culture and language and treat pashtu speakers like 3rd class people.
            In 260 years rule the royal farsiwans promote parsiwanism.
            I wonder why the pashtuns of afghanistan still consider the royal muhdzai and popalzais as a pashtuns.They are by no mean pashtuns.After ahmad shah baba his own tribe adopted farsi language and culture .His own son timor shah was parsi speaker.

            After all pashtunistan is the answer for our own identity.
            We want our own identity and own language.
            By leaving urdu club and joining persain club will not bring any good for pashtu.
            If pashtun demolish durnadline then that will be the end of farsiwanism in afghanistan.Pashtun will be over 90% and they will have no choice but to speak our language.
            Lets the world destroy the paki atomic bomb first .
            At present pakistan is busy how to destroy afghanistan and pashtuns of pashtunkhwa.
            The end will come d,nt worry.
            .
            1: Mr. Ahadi has a Pashtunized Arab wife, the daughter of Mr. Gailani, who hail from eastern Afghanistan. They settled in Afghanistan in 1902. They are from Paktika and Nangarhar. Related with honoured Mr. Sibghatullah Mojadeddi.

            2: Start to understand the dynamic of Afghanistan´s history. Ahmad Shah Baba was a Pashtun king but his men and administrators were mainly non-Pashtuns. His army was consisting in Afghanistan mainly from Qizilbash people and a sizble number of his own tribe, while in tribal regions down to Delhi in today of Pakistan and India were of Balochis, Kashmiris and even ''Panjabis'' and Indians, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. Do you see your mistake? Afghanistan was created by a multi-ethnic agreement as a multi-ethnic empire with mostly a non-Pashtun identity. Can we deny this? To give Afghanistan a non plus ultra Pashtun identity failed many times in the past because Afghanistan is not a Pashtun state, it´s a multi-ethnic state. A state for different cultures, ethnics with different origins and identities and history, with different languages. To find something between was never possible.

            3: don´t send Pakistan Waziristanis to Afghanistan? Aren´t those terrorists from your ethnic group? If you people would be really proud Afghans and would have pride and dignity you would never accept or serve Panjabi ISI orders but let´s face some facts.

            - 1/3 of ISI are ''Pashtuns'' and they are mainly responsible for the thousands of deaths of my innocent people and destruction OF MY COUNTRY! We never sent terrorists to your country, except Sardar D. Khan and he did it only once.

            - Around 30% of Pakistani army is ''Pashtun''. They are killing Pashtuns in tribal regions serving Panjabi colonialization. They are flooding our markets in Afghanistan, our universities in Kandahar and Nangarhar. They are kidnapping kids from our side of the border just to send them back as suicide bombers.

            Whose fault is it now? Is it ours that you serve Panjabis and Pakistanism?

            3: You always accuse non-Pashtun tribes in Afghanistan for not learing Pashtu but why you don´t you first accuse your Panjabis and Balochis and Sindhis to learn Pashtu? Oh, I´ve forgotten. You are an ISI agent, here to enflame more ethnic devision for Afghanistan.

            non-Pashtun tribes DON´T FORCE Pashtuns to learn their language. Do you think they are forcing all Pashtuns to learn their language? Pashtuns accept their language as inter-ethnic language for communication. Plus, non-Pashtuns own nearly 92% of medias. Why you think it is the fault of them when lazy Pashtuns forget their own identity? Now ask yourself. Who is the racist one, you or any Farsiwan? People are racist who promote their own identity or care about their language, things you want from Pashtuns as well, but when it comes to non-Pashtuns they are racists?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Bost Bastan News View Post
              1: Mr. Ahadi has a Pashtunized Arab wife, the daughter of Mr. Gailani, who hail from eastern Afghanistan. They settled in Afghanistan in 1902. They are from Paktika and Nangarhar. Related with honoured Mr. Sibghatullah Mojadeddi.

              2: Start to understand the dynamic of Afghanistan´s history. Ahmad Shah Baba was a Pashtun king but his men and administrators were mainly non-Pashtuns. His army was consisting in Afghanistan mainly from Qizilbash people and a sizble number of his own tribe, while in tribal regions down to Delhi in today of Pakistan and India were of Balochis, Kashmiris and even ''Panjabis'' and Indians, Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus. Do you see your mistake? Afghanistan was created by a multi-ethnic agreement as a multi-ethnic empire with mostly a non-Pashtun identity. Can we deny this? To give Afghanistan a non plus ultra Pashtun identity failed many times in the past because Afghanistan is not a Pashtun state, it´s a multi-ethnic state. A state for different cultures, ethnics with different origins and identities and history, with different languages. To find something between was never possible.

              3: don´t send Pakistan Waziristanis to Afghanistan? Aren´t those terrorists from your ethnic group? If you people would be really proud Afghans and would have pride and dignity you would never accept or serve Panjabi ISI orders but let´s face some facts.

              - 1/3 of ISI are ''Pashtuns'' and they are mainly responsible for the thousands of deaths of my innocent people and destruction OF MY COUNTRY! We never sent terrorists to your country, except Sardar D. Khan and he did it only once.

              - Around 30% of Pakistani army is ''Pashtun''. They are killing Pashtuns in tribal regions serving Panjabi colonialization. They are flooding our markets in Afghanistan, our universities in Kandahar and Nangarhar. They are kidnapping kids from our side of the border just to send them back as suicide bombers.

              Whose fault is it now? Is it ours that you serve Panjabis and Pakistanism?

              3: You always accuse non-Pashtun tribes in Afghanistan for not learing Pashtu but why you don´t you first accuse your Panjabis and Balochis and Sindhis to learn Pashtu? Oh, I´ve forgotten. You are an ISI agent, here to enflame more ethnic devision for Afghanistan.

              non-Pashtun tribes DON´T FORCE Pashtuns to learn their language. Do you think they are forcing all Pashtuns to learn their language? Pashtuns accept their language as inter-ethnic language for communication. Plus, non-Pashtuns own nearly 92% of medias. Why you think it is the fault of them when lazy Pashtuns forget their own identity? Now ask yourself. Who is the racist one, you or any Farsiwan? People are racist who promote their own identity or care about their language, things you want from Pashtuns as well, but when it comes to non-Pashtuns they are racists?
              So ,,isi,,agent want to destroy and divde pakistan ok son.
              You are great man for teaching us.
              You will have to wait untill pashtun get back into power untill then enjoy and kiss irani ass.
              Your response is like typical iranian nationalist.
              If we agree to your statement then afghanistan was created by farsiwans and not pashtuns.
              Get a life you ,,mutawi,,iraniian.
              Ahmad shah was pashtun.he hired some kizlis to work as a katib in his darbar.From there your ancesters start imposing farsi on us.

              His army was majority pashtuns from all tribes.

              The question is still the same
              why are you tajiks not learning and speaking pashtu?
              pashtuns speak your language,why do,nt you speak pashtu with pashtuns?
              i need answer.



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              pa prady jaba khabarai pakhtun naka
              be laila bala soda kho majnon naka
              gero jabo kre lahoo pa khpal tahzeeb ki
              be pakhtu ba de bal hestsok rastoon naka
              hamza baba
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