Congretulations to the great ANP and PML-Q

[afghan]

There are many southreners living in kabul mixed with tajiks.So as many pashtuns of paktya,laghman,nangarhar and you name it.To prove my claim there are millions of afghan-pashtuns there and you can see them with your own eyes..
The pashtuns in helmond,kandar and paktika are more pure cus not many tajik lives there.
Go and see the 80% pashtuns of farah .Where many speak the language of minority.
Yes,i agree with you on the peshwar -pashtu but you need to remember that the villagers in pashtunkhwa speak more pure pashtu then peshawris.
The old city of peshwar also have khindko speakers and they can,nt speak proper pakhtu.These khindko speakers are still better then the royal afghans and others.At least we teach them our language while you been forced to speak irani.

The afghan-pashtu is also full of dari words like ,,hayat,tashakur,tazkira,sadri azam,balay and thousands more.
whats the differance saying ,,balay in farsi or jee in urdu?
pashtu on the east is influenced by urdu and on the west by parsi.
Proper pashtu on both side of durani line is spoken by the illiterate pashtuns this is fact.
The eduacted one feel ashamed of pashtu.
One example of farsiwanism is yourself,sorry to say.
Can you speak proper pakhtu.
Try and write your messege in pashtu language and you will get to the point.

We are minority in pakistan while you with 60% pashtuns have no choice but to learn parsi to servive.
25% tajiks imposed their language on 60% pashtuns come on get a life.
we must work for pashtu and unity of lar o bar.
Blame game is not helping us.

I want to Marry Muslim Guy but he is not a Punjabi!
My Father met the man I want to marry. My ‘fiance’ came with his family and asked for my hand in marriage with respect. My family is Punjabi and his family is Pathan. My Father did not receive them well. The shocking comment my dad made to them was “The boy may be PERFECT but he is not Punjabi! This marriage can never take place”.I don’t want to marry anyone else as he is a good man, pious and we love each other and both make each other stronger in the Deen. Islam is the way of life we want to follow. Please Help. It all started when my father overheard me speaking to a guy on my mobile. He questioned me and I finally admitted it was him. My brother already knew and has met my fiancé. He agree with my choice and says he’s a nice guy. I am 22 years old and have finished my degree. We met at university. He is 27 years old. His parents were really hurt by my father’s cold response when they came for my rishta. My brother admitted that the guy was a good guy and a respectable Muslim. Now I am not trusted and can’t leave the house. This guy and I are still in contact and we still want to marry, though my father thinks I’ll just forget about him. My brother has said to give him at least 2 years and try persuading my father, though 2 years is a very long time and me and this guy are happy to wait for another for a year but even this we highly doubt would change anything as my father is the most Pakistani man on earth. I really do not know what to do. My father is happy for me to marry of my own choice apparently so long as he is Punjabi. I on the other hand, do not want anyone else ...me and this guy respect one another, are compatible, he changes me, he brings me more to Deen. I have forwarded the page on your website about 'marrying of your own choice and emotional blackmail from parents due to cultural differences'. My father trusts me and says I am the backbone of the family after my mother died. One of my sisters ‘honoured’ my dad and married from Pakistan. She is now living with a man who swears, shouts, abuses her and my family, doesn’t work and takes all her money. She has her own problems to worry about. Please help me on this issue; I keep thinking to have sabar. Have sabar and my brother will help? but will he really? Or is this some long time plan to distance myself and the person who I want to marry. I don’t even have anyone whom I can turn to or can help me

[gadoonwal]

I want to Marry Muslim Guy but he is not a Punjabi!
My Father met the man I want to marry. My ‘fiance’ came with his family and asked for my hand in marriage with respect. My family is Punjabi and his family is Pathan. My Father did not receive them well. The shocking comment my dad made to them was “The boy may be PERFECT but he is not Punjabi! This marriage can never take place”.I don’t want to marry anyone else as he is a good man, pious and we love each other and both make each other stronger in the Deen. Islam is the way of life we want to follow. Please Help. It all started when my father overheard me speaking to a guy on my mobile. He questioned me and I finally admitted it was him. My brother already knew and has met my fiancé. He agree with my choice and says he’s a nice guy. I am 22 years old and have finished my degree. We met at university. He is 27 years old. His parents were really hurt by my father’s cold response when they came for my rishta. My brother admitted that the guy was a good guy and a respectable Muslim. Now I am not trusted and can’t leave the house. This guy and I are still in contact and we still want to marry, though my father thinks I’ll just forget about him. My brother has said to give him at least 2 years and try persuading my father, though 2 years is a very long time and me and this guy are happy to wait for another for a year but even this we highly doubt would change anything as my father is the most Pakistani man on earth. I really do not know what to do. My father is happy for me to marry of my own choice apparently so long as he is Punjabi. I on the other hand, do not want anyone else ...me and this guy respect one another, are compatible, he changes me, he brings me more to Deen. I have forwarded the page on your website about 'marrying of your own choice and emotional blackmail from parents due to cultural differences'. My father trusts me and says I am the backbone of the family after my mother died. One of my sisters ‘honoured’ my dad and married from Pakistan. She is now living with a man who swears, shouts, abuses her and my family, doesn’t work and takes all her money. She has her own problems to worry about. Please help me on this issue; I keep thinking to have sabar. Have sabar and my brother will help? but will he really? Or is this some long time plan to distance myself and the person who I want to marry. I don’t even have anyone whom I can turn to or can help me

BBC News (UK): Afghan bride wins 'maintenance'



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/8294027.stm

Afghan bride wins 'maintenance'
By Moska Najib
BBC News, Delhi

A court in the Indian capital, Delhi, has ordered an army doctor to pay monthly maintenance to an Afghan woman who has accused him of bigamy.

The Delhi court said that Sabra Ahmadzai's case of bigamy against the doctor, Maj Chandrashekhar Pant, was legitimate.

It directed Maj Pant to pay Ms Ahmadzai 8,000 rupees ($169) every month.

Maj Pant has denied marrying Ms Ahmadzai, saying his appearance in a wedding video was fabricated.

Ms Ahmadzai alleges that Maj Pant told her he was already married with two children after their wedding.

The ruling is only an interim order. A full judgement is yet to be delivered.

But a magistrate at the Mahila Court in Delhi, which resolves disputes related to women's issues, said she believed that "a prima facie case of economic abuse falling within the definition of domestic violence as given under [the Protection of Women from Domestic Violence Act] is made out in favour of the applicant".

The court also confirmed Ms Ahmadzai's association with Maj Pant as a "relationship in nature of marriage".

Maj Pant's lawyer did not respond to phone calls from the BBC. The defence ministry has not commented apart from saying earlier in the year that it would investigate the case.

Ms Ahmadzai's lawyer, Ravindra Garia, said she would pursue the case further.

"We would like the court to pass a similar final order, so she gets compensated for the mental trauma caused by her husband's conduct," he said.

Ms Ahmadzai was working as a Hindi translator in a hospital in Kabul when she says she met Maj Pant.

She said that she decided to marry him after he converted to Islam and after receiving the consent of her family and relatives.

Ms Ahmadzai said they were "together for about 15 days when he was transferred back to India".

"He promised to return with his parents and left. In six months he only called me three times, and in his last call he told me, 'Sabra you are young and you can marry again - I have two kids and a wife from before'," she told the BBC in February.

In Afghanistan marrying a foreigner is still taboo.
http://justiceforsabra.blogspot.com.au/

[gadoonwal]

afghan gula,
what do you think should pashtun marry tajiks,punjabis and indains?
This is my point.Look at this Ahmadzai she married with hindoe.
I know a Buneri pashtun who was trying to marry an afghan-pashtana from kandar.
Both the parrents opposed the marriage and give her daughter to punjabi name Ali.
Ali used the poor girl and divorced her after he got the visa.
The buneri pashtun was handsom guy and was hard working but just cus he was pashtun from the east so the parrents did,nt like him.
Many afghan-pashtanay are married with paki punjabis and indains.
I am happy to take you to Ijaz rana a racist punjabi married to the royal mamdzai.
Trust me the afghan-pashtun hate pashtunkhwa people more then tajik and punjabis hate us.
If i hate someone i will never go to his land to escape and eat .
If i was forced then i will never hate the people and land where i eat and live
This brotherhood is one sided.
The afghan side will be happy if the punjabis bomb the entire pashtunkhwa.
This is fact.
There are only few good pashtuns still live and die by pakhtun gerat and nang.The rest are just dancing to their masters .
The masters make fun of them call them dumdar,spagan,bachabaz,jahil,sokedaar and you name it.Still jahil pakhtun is happy to please his master and live and die for them.

[gadoonwal]

Dsm0350

د کابل يو نېمچه پښتون به اوس ما ته خپل تارېخ او کلتور ښايئ.پاړسېوال ډې-ايس-ايم- ماته وايئ پښتون نه ي.زه چي څومره په تارېخ او دَ پښتنو په سياست نظر لرم دومره دِ هغه ايراني پلار هم نه لرې.ستا وېنه دَ اېرانيانو سره کَکړه شوي ده.ستا په شان ناشولته او اېراني نَنګ او پښتو څه کوې.دَ انګريز ډوډئ او خيرات ته ناست ي او ماته پښتو ښايئ ؟
هر ملت پاله پښتون زما ورور دي که هغه دَ افغانستان وې يا دَ پښتونستان فرق نه لرې.زما اختلاف دَ بےنَنګو او جاهلانو سره دي
دَ لوي پښتونخوا ټولو ورونړو ته په اخترام سره وايئم چي زه خپله يو افغان يم قام قبېله مي دَدغي وطن څخه راغلي ده زه هيڅکله دَدغي خاوري نه کرَکه اونفرت لرم.

[gadoonwal]

kabul de pashtano nang ou ghairat da. Ta pashtun ne'ye zeka che ta kabul kam goree. Awal ta de pashtuno tareekh zda'ka, bya khalagoda aqal khka-ra-ka. Pa noom'bonde zann'ta pashtun'waye, haqeeqat'qee punjabay ou farsiwan'nam tar'na ziyat pashtun'dai. Tha'ronde khalaq se'de baykhi de pashtano noom'e ba'd karray. Lag'kho insaniyat khka-ra-ka ou da kufr'dup de prekhda.

Apparently gadoonwal is a scientist. He went to afghanistan and genetically tested every pashtun there, and his final result was that pashtun in afghanistan is mixed.
Not only did he do that, but he also took the time and tested pashtuns on their pashto, which he concluded that they have adapted dari language.
He wasn't done yet, he also made a survey in entire afghanistan and he found out that pashtun are 60 % of the population.

Lets all take a minute of our time to praise gadoonwal ''shah'', because he is the new ahmad shah baba and mirwas hotak. In his years of bashing and insulting pashtuns in afghanistan, he finally united lar ou bar pashtuns. Now pashtun are finally a super power again, all thanks to gadoonwal's afghan pashtun insults. His insults definitely united all pashtuns in the world and promoted pashto language. What an exemplar of a pashtun this great gadoonwal is. We hereby declare him pacha of pashtuns, because he definitely united them by insulting them.

د کابل يو نېمچه پښتون به اوس ما ته خپل تارېخ او کلتور ښايئ.پاړسېوال ډې-ايس-ايم- ماته وايئ پښتون نه ي.زه چي څومره په تارېخ او دَ پښتنو په سياست نظر لرم دومره دِ هغه ايراني پلار هم نه لرې.ستا وېنه دَ اېرانيانو سره کَکړه شوي ده.ستا په شان ناشولته او اېراني نَنګ او پښتو څه کوې.دَ انګريز ډوډئ او خيرات ته ناست ي او ماته پښتو ښايئ ؟
هر ملت پاله پښتون زما ورور دي که هغه دَ افغانستان وې يا دَ پښتونستان فرق نه لرې.زما اختلاف دَ بےنَنګو او جاهلانو سره دي
دَ لوي پښتونخوا ټولو ورونړو ته په اخترام سره وايئم چي زه خپله يو افغان يم قام قبېله مي دَدغي وطن څخه راغلي ده زه هيڅکله دَدغي خاوري نه کرَکه اونفرت لرم.

[Smarty]

afghan gula,
what do you think should pashtun marry tajiks,punjabis and indains?
This is my point.Look at this Ahmadzai she married with hindoe.
I know a Buneri pashtun who was trying to marry an afghan-pashtana from kandar.
Both the parrents opposed the marriage and give her daughter to punjabi name Ali.
Ali used the poor girl and divorced her after he got the visa.
The buneri pashtun was handsom guy and was hard working but just cus he was pashtun from the east so the parrents did,nt like him.
Many afghan-pashtanay are married with paki punjabis and indains.
I am happy to take you to Ijaz rana a racist punjabi married to the royal mamdzai.
Trust me the afghan-pashtun hate pashtunkhwa people more then tajik and punjabis hate us.
If i hate someone i will never go to his land to escape and eat .
If i was forced then i will never hate the people and land where i eat and live
This brotherhood is one sided.
The afghan side will be happy if the punjabis bomb the entire pashtunkhwa.
This is fact.
There are only few good pashtuns still live and die by pakhtun gerat and nang.The rest are just dancing to their masters .
The masters make fun of them call them dumdar,spagan,bachabaz,jahil,sokedaar and you name it.Still jahil pakhtun is happy to please his master and live and die for them.

Depressing stories, let me also share one. A family from charsada found a bangash girl, a doctor, for their son. They became fond of bangash and decided to search another bangash bride for their second son. They were introduced to a bangash family settled in karachi. The girl's family demanded a bunglow and lot of other things from charsadeywals. They agreed and a bunglow was parchased in girl's name, nikah took place but not rukhsati. After few weeks the charsadewals recieved a shocking news that bangash girl of karachi has married a punjabi guy from multan without their knowledge and without taking divorce from first nikah. They demanded the bunglow of 2 crore sum to be returned to them but they recieved refusal from bangash family....tehnically she is living haram life with punjabi guy and is even impregnated with a ******* of zinna.
Moral of the story : Pakhtuns of palidistan specially those who live in punjab and karachi are getting corrupted and are becoming desified and lowly....

[DSM0305]

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=262773487225573&set=vb.132802700222653&type=2&theater

[afghan]

afghan gula,
what do you think should pashtun marry tajiks,punjabis and indains?
This is my point.Look at this Ahmadzai she married with hindoe.
I know a Buneri pashtun who was trying to marry an afghan-pashtana from kandar.
Both the parrents opposed the marriage and give her daughter to punjabi name Ali.
Ali used the poor girl and divorced her after he got the visa.
The buneri pashtun was handsom guy and was hard working but just cus he was pashtun from the east so the parrents did,nt like him.
Many afghan-pashtanay are married with paki punjabis and indains.
I am happy to take you to Ijaz rana a racist punjabi married to the royal mamdzai.
Trust me the afghan-pashtun hate pashtunkhwa people more then tajik and punjabis hate us.
If i hate someone i will never go to his land to escape and eat .
If i was forced then i will never hate the people and land where i eat and live
This brotherhood is one sided.
The afghan side will be happy if the punjabis bomb the entire pashtunkhwa.
This is fact.
There are only few good pashtuns still live and die by pakhtun gerat and nang.The rest are just dancing to their masters .
The masters make fun of them call them dumdar,spagan,bachabaz,jahil,sokedaar and you name it.Still jahil pakhtun is happy to please his master and live and die for them.

i guess we were discussing the leadership. but any way you brought up that ahmadzai girl married to a hindo guy, when she married him he was a muslim. are you sure she is a pashtun? even if she is she brought up in pan jab somewhere. have you seen a pashtun wedding like this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTu4cThA1nk
have you seen her brother father besides her? that girl is hungry for attention.
the good panjabies refused to marry their daughters to pashtun men, but girls are marrying them. you are obsessed with tajiks and kabaulis. you bring kabulis all the time in each post.
how much do you know about tajiks? what did they do to you? that you have issues with them?

[gadoonwal]

i guess we were discussing the leadership. but any way you brought up that ahmadzai girl married to a hindo guy, when she married him he was a muslim. are you sure she is a pashtun? even if she is she brought up in pan jab somewhere. have you seen a pashtun wedding like this? www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTu4cThA1nk
have you seen her brother father besides her? that girl is hungry for attention.
the good panjabies refused to marry their daughters to pashtun men, but girls are marrying them. you are obsessed with tajiks and kabaulis. you bring kabulis all the time in each post.
how much do you know about tajiks? what did they do to you? that you have issues with them?

Once again you are turning from the real point ok, enough.
So now ahmadzai is not pashtana then prove it.
She look like pure pakhtana and she is one.The pashtun in kabul city are no different then tajiks take an exmple of muhdzais and popalzais.They speak the same language and have same culture.why you are linking everything to pakistan?
She is afghan-pakhtana and bad people can be find anywhere.Afghanistan pashtuns are humans and not angels.
Just cus she married hindoe so now you change her ethnicity come on.

She was in love with him when he was hindoe.
My point is for one bad apple do,nt blame the whole nation.
One ahmadzai is bad this dose,nt mean all ahmadzai are bad.
This dose,nt mean all afghan-pakhtanay are hindoe lovers.
The vast majority of pakhtanay no matter anyside are loyal and pathmanay.
Kabalay is a name used here in pashtunkhwa for afghans.
You can check this with others.
kabalay is not offensive or bad word.In afghanistan kabuli refer to the resident of kabul.We call banuwal banusay,swatwal swatay and bunerwal buneray.

Now do i hate tajiks?

Tajiks compare to the pashtuns of afghanistan are more educated,rich and more civilised in behavier.Most of them are soft spoken.
I have few issues with them and i have told them in real life.
Tajiks look down up on pashtu.
Tajik hate pashtun culture.
Tajik make fun of real pashtuns.
Tajiks are racists towards pashtuns.
Tajiks always challenging pashtun dominated govt and doing everything possible to keep the real pakhtuns out of power.
They only support tajikified pashtun.
They do not learn pakhtu.
You talk to them in pakhtu they will respond to you in parsi.
Every pashtun can speak farsi but this is not the case with tajiks.
They also call real pashtuns dumdar,spagan and paki even.
Is this not racism?
They unite all others such as uzbiks,hazaras,turkmen against pashtuns.They are responssible for the ethnic violence.It was masood started the ethnic war in 90s and pakistan took advantage of that by supporting gulu and talibs.
Long before that masood was sponsered by Bhotu against dawood khan and if you are from afghanistan you would know why?
The real pashtuns on both side of durand are disadvantage people.
Compare their lives with others and you will see the difference.
I am always for unity among afghan but since afghanistan was founded by pashtun tribes and leader so the country should have pashtun identity and langauge.
The tajiks and farsiwan-pashtuns control the media,govt and you name it.
Now the real pashtuns are suffering why?
I speak for the real and disadvantage pashtuns of greater pashtunistan.
Those supporting punjabi dominated govt are living good life.Same here the tajik lovers are living good lives.
So where should the poor and disadvantage pashtuns go.
Their language is hated,culture and you name it.

All of the above why duranis are more accepted to tajiks and not ghilzais?
You know the history and secret behind this?
In the next election zalmia rasoul could win .He is farsiwan with some links to barakzai tribe.He even refused to talk in pakhtu.He will get many votes from tajiks and duranis.The rest i leave it with you.

[afghan]

^^^
LOL. what else can i say.
zalmai rasool speaks good pashto. he isn't my choice any way.
if you love your panjabi brethren, by trying to prove afghans are worse. no one is forcing you to love pashtun, you get so emotional. calm down get some sleep. go out in fresh air.

[gadoonwal]

^^^
LOL. what else can i say.
zalmai rasool speaks good pashto. he isn't my choice any way.
if you love your panjabi brethren, by trying to prove afghans are worse. no one is forcing you to love pashtun, you get so emotional. calm down get some sleep. go out in fresh air.

You can not answer my questions and now have no other choice but to bring pakis into this discussion.You should,nt take part in such discussion then.
whoever speak for pashtu is paki and punjabi lover.
whoever speak for farsiwanism is great afghan.
where i support punjabis here,prove it you lier?
Once again you fall into the blame game due to your weakness and lack of knowledge.
My post is there for the members.
I would say if you people can not give up parsiwanism then join them and forget about pashtu or pashtun.You hate pashtu and pashtuns .

According to you a real pashtun is the one who love tajiks and speak parso .
Tajik can look down up on pashtu and pashtuns,thats fine with afghan gul.
This make him more pashtuns ahahaha.



za lanat waim da parsiwanano aw da punjabiano gulamano banday.

If real pashtuns get power from amu to abaseen trust me these people will run like rats to their wholes.
My problem is gulaman.
I hate gulaman of farsi and paki.

[Bost Bastan News]

Dear brothers and sisters,

I don´t know why this should be a problem for us if we marry into non-Pashtuns or not. It´s the way why human-beings could survive. Isolation will lead to declining and deseases. How many thousands of tribes and nations disappeared from the face of the world? Many thousands. In the new future we will be effected by this as well due lack of dring-water, global warming, emigration from our current dusty regions, wars and because of other reasons. The globalization at least is slowing this process but it also opens the gate to other cultures and regions. If you live in a globalized world you can´t escape this process. It doesn´t matter if non-Pashtuns marry into our society or if we marry to non-Pashtun societies because we are all human-beings. We don´t marry with animals or hybride creatures. Arguing like this give us a very bad light in the eyes of the world and people will call us fascists. We accuse always other people for our shortcomings and lable them as fascists while many of our own people are maybe one of the leading fascists in the 21th century but of course in some cases Gadoonwal (and his friends here) whom I don´t really like is right. I don´t say I support his position but he is sometimes not wrong what he says but what is a problem for us and emberassing all Pashtuns under the eyes of the world is their ethnic fanatism. They always critising us but they never bring any solutions and ideas. They never do a first step by themselves.

My first question would be why Gadoonwal is always talking about ''Kabalay'' and what this ''Kabalay'' really means? If it is an Urdu or Panjabi word for Kabuli people then I want to ask him how he can pretend to fight for Pashtu language when he uses non-Pashtu words? Does Gadoonwal know that Kabul is a multi-ethnical province with dominant and recessive ethnics living there? Not every Pashtun who is a patriot Afghan and understand the real world and our political situation is a Kabuli and not every Kabalay is from Kabul just because they do not fit in your eyes for being the idolized Pashtun. Shall we all hate Hazaras, Uzbeks and Farsiwans to be good Pashtuns and then wondering why we are hated by them or as you always claims oppressed? The Taliban movement supported by people like you (PAKIS!) proved that this thinking will fail because one day the chain of oppression will burst and then innocent people have to pay for their crimes. It took us 7.8 Billion USD, paying all those criminal commanders and soldiers, to give up their vendetas against Pashtuns.

That you are not a perfect Pashtun yourself you actually prove this point every time in every post. You are filled with hatred and psychological fear. Your soul is suffering from a war you have in your heart. You don´t know anymore what it means living a peaceful life enjoying your live with your friends and what you have. Other people are happy and live a good life. It´s not that they are ignorants but because they know how short life is and what it means to live. They don´t want to waste their life with non-senses they can not prevent and also are not interested to prevent it. Do you know why? Because they see themselves first as human-beings, not as Pashtuns or Muslims. Then after as Muslims, followed by being Pashtun.

You live your whole life in Pakistan and you know better then me that this process of inter-ethnic relationship is taking place everyday, specially today, when millions of people flee from their dark destiny in Waziristan or elsewhere in the tribal regions and move to other regions where other people live. But not only war-effected people are affected by this but most and mainly urbanized Pakistani Pashtuns living in regions close to other ethnics. Just take Peshawar. You know well that Pashtuns in those regions don´t care of being Panjabi, Urdu, Mohajir, Sindi, Jat or Balochi. They see themselves as part of a big house called Pakistan and as human-beings and their neighbours as their family. In such an enviroment people give their sons and daughters every week-end to eachother otherwise their won´t be any bond between them and no co-existing is possible and instead of living side-by-side in peace it will be front-by-friend. Pakistan is maybe a failed state but still a state where people are far better than people in our country. At least Pakistan is a common identity accepted and honoured by all people. Even Afghan refugees are better in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan, Pashtuns living in Pashtun region, there inter-ethnic relationship is NEARLY absent except for some regions like in Urgun where wealthy Farsiwan businessmen have family contacts with surrounding Pashtun families. In regions where Pashtuns are a minority or living peaceful in multi-ethnic regions, co-existing and building bonds is made by inter-ethnic relationships. It´s healthy for peace and survival. Of course you are right when you now says people start to adopt Dari. But that is in every society the case. A minority group living within a majority will always adopt the language of the majority. Balkh province or shomali plains are such examples. Many Pashtuns from Kabul´s Khair Khana for example are also Dari-speakers and they are relatively close related with those Farsiwans. They always marry into their own new castes of family coalations they have created. In Kandahar such events can be seen rarely since those Shia Farsiwans don´t mix much with Pashtuns, except some politicians and known businessmen. But they do this for political or financial reasons. We can not stop people from doing so, specially when they have changed their cultural identity but what we can do is at least promoting our identity and language, teaching our children our own culture and traditions and ideals so they won´t be affected too much by foreign elements because those other people are lost and are already part of our neighbours. People living in a multi-ethnic city have no other choice. I also believe people in the west don´t think that much about such marrying Pashtuns or non-Pashtuns. They have other priorities and have because of other kind of education and other idea about life a much different view on ethnic issue than we have. I don´t know if most people in the west are still Pashtun or Farsiwan enough as people claim here. I am sure many can not even speak properly their own language and have no idea of their own ethnic identity. Or if they are suffering from ''Farsinism'' like you say than they will marry most-likely a Farsiwan but at least it remains under a blood-related person and a watandar. It is more hurtening seeing our people marrying maybe an Afrikan or black American i guess and I am sure there are many cases within the millions of Afghan people. One of my personal experience was when I flew with Mr. Assadullah Khalid to Tajikistan for buying a house with him in Dushanbe that we met a Kandahari businessmen there who owns a tea-industry called Alkozay Tea-Shore. This man for example also married all of his four 4 his daughters to local Tajik businessmen and and a local politician. That means also your location and the absent of bond between you and your ancestral homeland is important to be what you actually should be but in that case the ancestral homeland was too far and too dangerous to live there.

Maybe not today but tomorrow, if you guy understand that neither this word nor we are anything in this god-created huge universe, you will see that existing, being a Pashtun, even being a human-being or a Muslim, marrying a Panjabi or Farsiwan or a Kabalay has no meaning. WE ARE JUST NOTHING! WE ARE CREATED OR BORN WITHIN A BILLION OF SECOND JUST TO DISAPPEAR FROM THIS EXISTENCE FOREVER. Don´t waste your time with such stupid things. If you want to support Pashtun language and identity then start to make the first step. Build lobbies for Pashtuns. Call your Pashtun friends together and organize political and cultural meetings. Here in Kabul when I see Hazara brothers or Farsiwan brothers running hundreds of organizations, having close ties to NGO´s, have ties to UK, USA and other partners where they have their mother-lobbies, then sometimes I feel very sad close to tear that we Pashtuns are always busy in accusing other people for our own stupidity and short-comings. The time we waste for accusation and praising fascists or promoting fascism we could use it worthly to promote ourselves because after the accusations we still don´t do anything just starting again to accuse non-Pashtuns.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Dear brothers and sisters,

I don´t know why this should be a problem for us if we marry into non-Pashtuns or not. It´s the way why human-beings could survive. Isolation will lead to declining and deseases. How many thousands of tribes and nations disappeared from the face of the world? Many thousands. In the new future we will be effected by this as well due lack of dring-water, global warming, emigration from our current dusty regions, wars and because of other reasons. The globalization at least is slowing this process but it also opens the gate to other cultures and regions. If you live in a globalized world you can´t escape this process. It doesn´t matter if non-Pashtuns marry into our society or if we marry to non-Pashtun societies because we are all human-beings. We don´t marry with animals or hybride creatures. Arguing like this give us a very bad light in the eyes of the world and people will call us fascists. We accuse always other people for our shortcomings and lable them as fascists while many of our own people are maybe one of the leading fascists in the 21th century but of course in some cases Gadoonwal (and his friends here) whom I don´t really like is right. I don´t say I support his position but he is sometimes not wrong what he says but what is a problem for us and emberassing all Pashtuns under the eyes of the world is their ethnic fanatism. They always critising us but they never bring any solutions and ideas. They never do a first step by themselves.

My first question would be why Gadoonwal is always talking about ''Kabalay'' and what this ''Kabalay'' really means? If it is an Urdu or Panjabi word for Kabuli people then I want to ask him how he can pretend to fight for Pashtu language when he uses non-Pashtu words? Does Gadoonwal know that Kabul is a multi-ethnical province with dominant and recessive ethnics living there? Not every Pashtun who is a patriot Afghan and understand the real world and our political situation is a Kabuli and not every Kabalay is from Kabul just because they do not fit in your eyes for being the idolized Pashtun. Shall we all hate Hazaras, Uzbeks and Farsiwans to be good Pashtuns and then wondering why we are hated by them or as you always claims oppressed? The Taliban movement supported by people like you (PAKIS!) proved that this thinking will fail because one day the chain of oppression will burst and then innocent people have to pay for their crimes. It took us 7.8 Billion USD, paying all those criminal commanders and soldiers, to give up their vendetas against Pashtuns.

That you are not a perfect Pashtun yourself you actually prove this point every time in every post. You are filled with hatred and psychological fear. Your soul is suffering from a war you have in your heart. You don´t know anymore what it means living a peaceful life enjoying your live with your friends and what you have. Other people are happy and live a good life. It´s not that they are ignorants but because they know how short life is and what it means to live. They don´t want to waste their life with non-senses they can not prevent and also are not interested to prevent it. Do you know why? Because they see themselves first as human-beings, not as Pashtuns or Muslims. Then after as Muslims, followed by being Pashtun.

You live your whole life in Pakistan and you know better then me that this process of inter-ethnic relationship is taking place everyday, specially today, when millions of people flee from their dark destiny in Waziristan or elsewhere in the tribal regions and move to other regions where other people live. But not only war-effected people are affected by this but most and mainly urbanized Pakistani Pashtuns living in regions close to other ethnics. Just take Peshawar. You know well that Pashtuns in those regions don´t care of being Panjabi, Urdu, Mohajir, Sindi, Jat or Balochi. They see themselves as part of a big house called Pakistan and as human-beings and their neighbours as their family. In such an enviroment people give their sons and daughters every week-end to eachother otherwise their won´t be any bond between them and no co-existing is possible and instead of living side-by-side in peace it will be front-by-friend. Pakistan is maybe a failed state but still a state where people are far better than people in our country. At least Pakistan is a common identity accepted and honoured by all people. Even Afghan refugees are better in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan, Pashtuns living in Pashtun region, there inter-ethnic relationship is NEARLY absent except for some regions like in Urgun where wealthy Farsiwan businessmen have family contacts with surrounding Pashtun families. In regions where Pashtuns are a minority or living peaceful in multi-ethnic regions, co-existing and building bonds is made by inter-ethnic relationships. It´s healthy for peace and survival. Of course you are right when you now says people start to adopt Dari. But that is in every society the case. A minority group living within a majority will always adopt the language of the majority. Balkh province or shomali plains are such examples. Many Pashtuns from Kabul´s Khair Khana for example are also Dari-speakers and they are relatively close related with those Farsiwans. They always marry into their own new castes of family coalations they have created. In Kandahar such events can be seen rarely since those Shia Farsiwans don´t mix much with Pashtuns, except some politicians and known businessmen. But they do this for political or financial reasons. We can not stop people from doing so, specially when they have changed their cultural identity but what we can do is at least promoting our identity and language, teaching our children our own culture and traditions and ideals so they won´t be affected too much by foreign elements because those other people are lost and are already part of our neighbours. People living in a multi-ethnic city have no other choice. I also believe people in the west don´t think that much about such marrying Pashtuns or non-Pashtuns. They have other priorities and have because of other kind of education and other idea about life a much different view on ethnic issue than we have. I don´t know if most people in the west are still Pashtun or Farsiwan enough as people claim here. I am sure many can not even speak properly their own language and have no idea of their own ethnic identity. Or if they are suffering from ''Farsinism'' like you say than they will marry most-likely a Farsiwan but at least it remains under a blood-related person and a watandar. It is more hurtening seeing our people marrying maybe an Afrikan or black American i guess and I am sure there are many cases within the millions of Afghan people. One of my personal experience was when I flew with Mr. Assadullah Khalid to Tajikistan for buying a house with him in Dushanbe that we met a Kandahari businessmen there who owns a tea-industry called Alkozay Tea-Shore. This man for example also married all of his four 4 his daughters to local Tajik businessmen and and a local politician. That means also your location and the absent of bond between you and your ancestral homeland is important to be what you actually should be but in that case the ancestral homeland was too far and too dangerous to live there.

Maybe not today but tomorrow, if you guy understand that neither this word nor we are anything in this god-created huge universe, you will see that existing, being a Pashtun, even being a human-being or a Muslim, marrying a Panjabi or Farsiwan or a Kabalay has no meaning. WE ARE JUST NOTHING! WE ARE CREATED OR BORN WITHIN A BILLION OF SECOND JUST TO DISAPPEAR FROM THIS EXISTENCE FOREVER. Don´t waste your time with such stupid things. If you want to support Pashtun language and identity then start to make the first step. Build lobbies for Pashtuns. Call your Pashtun friends together and organize political and cultural meetings. Here in Kabul when I see Hazara brothers or Farsiwan brothers running hundreds of organizations, having close ties to NGO´s, have ties to UK, USA and other partners where they have their mother-lobbies, then sometimes I feel very sad close to tear that we Pashtuns are always busy in accusing other people for our own stupidity and short-comings. The time we waste for accusation and praising fascists or promoting fascism we could use it worthly to promote ourselves because after the accusations we still don´t do anything just starting again to accuse non-Pashtuns.

Very well said,Agree with most of your post except the pashtuns marriage part.

I have no hate for Punjabis or Tajiks but I don't want my pashtuns to marry any other ethnicity.We should remain as we are.

[gadoonwal]

Dear brothers and sisters,

I don´t know why this should be a problem for us if we marry into non-Pashtuns or not. It´s the way why human-beings could survive. Isolation will lead to declining and deseases. How many thousands of tribes and nations disappeared from the face of the world? Many thousands. In the new future we will be effected by this as well due lack of dring-water, global warming, emigration from our current dusty regions, wars and because of other reasons. The globalization at least is slowing this process but it also opens the gate to other cultures and regions. If you live in a globalized world you can´t escape this process. It doesn´t matter if non-Pashtuns marry into our society or if we marry to non-Pashtun societies because we are all human-beings. We don´t marry with animals or hybride creatures. Arguing like this give us a very bad light in the eyes of the world and people will call us fascists. We accuse always other people for our shortcomings and lable them as fascists while many of our own people are maybe one of the leading fascists in the 21th century but of course in some cases Gadoonwal (and his friends here) whom I don´t really like is right. I don´t say I support his position but he is sometimes not wrong what he says but what is a problem for us and emberassing all Pashtuns under the eyes of the world is their ethnic fanatism. They always critising us but they never bring any solutions and ideas. They never do a first step by themselves.

My first question would be why Gadoonwal is always talking about ''Kabalay'' and what this ''Kabalay'' really means? If it is an Urdu or Panjabi word for Kabuli people then I want to ask him how he can pretend to fight for Pashtu language when he uses non-Pashtu words? Does Gadoonwal know that Kabul is a multi-ethnical province with dominant and recessive ethnics living there? Not every Pashtun who is a patriot Afghan and understand the real world and our political situation is a Kabuli and not every Kabalay is from Kabul just because they do not fit in your eyes for being the idolized Pashtun. Shall we all hate Hazaras, Uzbeks and Farsiwans to be good Pashtuns and then wondering why we are hated by them or as you always claims oppressed? The Taliban movement supported by people like you (PAKIS!) proved that this thinking will fail because one day the chain of oppression will burst and then innocent people have to pay for their crimes. It took us 7.8 Billion USD, paying all those criminal commanders and soldiers, to give up their vendetas against Pashtuns.

That you are not a perfect Pashtun yourself you actually prove this point every time in every post. You are filled with hatred and psychological fear. Your soul is suffering from a war you have in your heart. You don´t know anymore what it means living a peaceful life enjoying your live with your friends and what you have. Other people are happy and live a good life. It´s not that they are ignorants but because they know how short life is and what it means to live. They don´t want to waste their life with non-senses they can not prevent and also are not interested to prevent it. Do you know why? Because they see themselves first as human-beings, not as Pashtuns or Muslims. Then after as Muslims, followed by being Pashtun.

You live your whole life in Pakistan and you know better then me that this process of inter-ethnic relationship is taking place everyday, specially today, when millions of people flee from their dark destiny in Waziristan or elsewhere in the tribal regions and move to other regions where other people live. But not only war-effected people are affected by this but most and mainly urbanized Pakistani Pashtuns living in regions close to other ethnics. Just take Peshawar. You know well that Pashtuns in those regions don´t care of being Panjabi, Urdu, Mohajir, Sindi, Jat or Balochi. They see themselves as part of a big house called Pakistan and as human-beings and their neighbours as their family. In such an enviroment people give their sons and daughters every week-end to eachother otherwise their won´t be any bond between them and no co-existing is possible and instead of living side-by-side in peace it will be front-by-friend. Pakistan is maybe a failed state but still a state where people are far better than people in our country. At least Pakistan is a common identity accepted and honoured by all people. Even Afghan refugees are better in Pakistan than in Afghanistan.

In Afghanistan, Pashtuns living in Pashtun region, there inter-ethnic relationship is NEARLY absent except for some regions like in Urgun where wealthy Farsiwan businessmen have family contacts with surrounding Pashtun families. In regions where Pashtuns are a minority or living peaceful in multi-ethnic regions, co-existing and building bonds is made by inter-ethnic relationships. It´s healthy for peace and survival. Of course you are right when you now says people start to adopt Dari. But that is in every society the case. A minority group living within a majority will always adopt the language of the majority. Balkh province or shomali plains are such examples. Many Pashtuns from Kabul´s Khair Khana for example are also Dari-speakers and they are relatively close related with those Farsiwans. They always marry into their own new castes of family coalations they have created. In Kandahar such events can be seen rarely since those Shia Farsiwans don´t mix much with Pashtuns, except some politicians and known businessmen. But they do this for political or financial reasons. We can not stop people from doing so, specially when they have changed their cultural identity but what we can do is at least promoting our identity and language, teaching our children our own culture and traditions and ideals so they won´t be affected too much by foreign elements because those other people are lost and are already part of our neighbours. People living in a multi-ethnic city have no other choice. I also believe people in the west don´t think that much about such marrying Pashtuns or non-Pashtuns. They have other priorities and have because of other kind of education and other idea about life a much different view on ethnic issue than we have. I don´t know if most people in the west are still Pashtun or Farsiwan enough as people claim here. I am sure many can not even speak properly their own language and have no idea of their own ethnic identity. Or if they are suffering from ''Farsinism'' like you say than they will marry most-likely a Farsiwan but at least it remains under a blood-related person and a watandar. It is more hurtening seeing our people marrying maybe an Afrikan or black American i guess and I am sure there are many cases within the millions of Afghan people. One of my personal experience was when I flew with Mr. Assadullah Khalid to Tajikistan for buying a house with him in Dushanbe that we met a Kandahari businessmen there who owns a tea-industry called Alkozay Tea-Shore. This man for example also married all of his four 4 his daughters to local Tajik businessmen and and a local politician. That means also your location and the absent of bond between you and your ancestral homeland is important to be what you actually should be but in that case the ancestral homeland was too far and too dangerous to live there.

Maybe not today but tomorrow, if you guy understand that neither this word nor we are anything in this god-created huge universe, you will see that existing, being a Pashtun, even being a human-being or a Muslim, marrying a Panjabi or Farsiwan or a Kabalay has no meaning. WE ARE JUST NOTHING! WE ARE CREATED OR BORN WITHIN A BILLION OF SECOND JUST TO DISAPPEAR FROM THIS EXISTENCE FOREVER. Don´t waste your time with such stupid things. If you want to support Pashtun language and identity then start to make the first step. Build lobbies for Pashtuns. Call your Pashtun friends together and organize political and cultural meetings. Here in Kabul when I see Hazara brothers or Farsiwan brothers running hundreds of organizations, having close ties to NGO´s, have ties to UK, USA and other partners where they have their mother-lobbies, then sometimes I feel very sad close to tear that we Pashtuns are always busy in accusing other people for our own stupidity and short-comings. The time we waste for accusation and praising fascists or promoting fascism we could use it worthly to promote ourselves because after the accusations we still don´t do anything just starting again to accuse non-Pashtuns.

Your response is like typical brainwashed afghan, have no knowledge of history and pashtuns.
kabalay sounds more like pashtu word then urdu or punjabi.The urdu and punjabi speakers call you afghani.They do,nt use the term kabalay.
Kabuli mean the resident of kabul.Many afghans refugees living in pakistan use this term if you ask them where you from they say ,,,,za da kabal yam,,,,,even they are not from kabul therefore many of us call them kabalyan or kabalay.I see nothing wrong with this word.
They should be called afghans .Some like the word afghanistani and not afghans.This is another sign of tajik racism.
Pashtuns in pakistan living in their own wolrd.Punjabis and sindis do,nt even visit their areas.Many pashtuns live in karachi and parts of punjab.
On the other side the pashtun areas in afghanistan are full of parsians.
Take in example of gardez,ghazni,laghman,logar,farah etc.Most pashtuns in afghanistan are bilingual.Many have family relations with tajiks.The duranis is mix race of tajik-pashtun origin so as many others.
The educated pashtuns marry tajik girls and many pashtanay are also married to tajiks and uzbiks.
Anwarul haque ahadi himself speak farsi at home and he is pashtun nationalist.His wife is farsiwan.Dostum has two pashtun wives.
There are thousands of example how pashtun and tajik mixed up in afghanistan.It is fact and you can,nt deny this.
I have been to their gatherings.In the presence of one farsiwans they all start in farsi.They talk day and night of pashtunwali and unity and still speak parsi at home.
The pure pashtuns are those illetrate one and they speak pashtu.They are not mix .4 million pashtuns of afghanistan are living in pashtunkhwa.Two millions are registerd and the other two millions are unregisterd.Most of them got paki id card.
In my area 20000 thousands kunari,laghmani and logari lives.Most of them live in camps ,others settled down in other towns.
This is the case with many other areas.They speak of discrimination and unjustice in afghanistan.Many of them try to return back but there they were called pakis cus could not communicate in parsi.
Pehaswar was full of farsiwans before but many of them return but still some left.The pashtun refugees some return and the vast majority refuse to go back can you answer why?
Queta is full of kandari pashtuns and most of them got paki id card.
If afghanistan is pashtun country why its pure pashtuns do,nt like to going back there?
The rest i live it with you.
I never use the word mahajar for afghans in pakistan not even for tajiks.
I treat them like my country men.But i do,nt understand why they hate pashtuns of east.
It looks like we are ruling pakistan and sending bomb to afghanistan.
In reality your own afghans getting bombs and weapons from ,,isi,,and killing their own people.Gulbudin,haqani and talibs are from afghanistan not pakistan.
You ask punjabi to bomb lahore for you,will he do it?
no
so whats wrong with afghans and our own pashtuns?



Afghanistan was founded by pashtun malak abdali and pashtun tribes.
The pashtuns have every right to declare pashtu is the only officail language.No need of this bilingual culture.Tajik must stop racism and stop farsiwanization of pashtuns.

My problem with tajiks is that why they not learning pashtu?
why they do,nt like speaking pakhtu?
why they force others to speak farsi?
you speak to them pashtu and many of them understand but will respond to you in parsi,why?
On the other side pashtuns day and night communicate with them in parsi.
I put this question to many pashtuns and none of them answer.
Some said ,,,pa mung jabar shaway day,,,,,,,,
The tajiks and royal farsiwans promote persain culture and language and treat pashtu speakers like 3rd class people.
In 260 years rule the royal farsiwans promote parsiwanism.
I wonder why the pashtuns of afghanistan still consider the royal muhdzai and popalzais as a pashtuns.They are by no mean pashtuns.After ahmad shah baba his own tribe adopted farsi language and culture .His own son timor shah was parsi speaker.

After all pashtunistan is the answer for our own identity.
We want our own identity and own language.
By leaving urdu club and joining persain club will not bring any good for pashtu.
If pashtun demolish durnadline then that will be the end of farsiwanism in afghanistan.Pashtun will be over 90% and they will have no choice but to speak our language.
Lets the world destroy the paki atomic bomb first .
At present pakistan is busy how to destroy afghanistan and pashtuns of pashtunkhwa.
The end will come d,nt worry.
.

[gadoonwal]

All of the above pashtuns must not marry none-pashtuns.
we are tribal nation and should stay that way.
This will harm pashtu language and culture.
We are not persain .Persain is civilization and anyone can be persain if adopt parsi.
pashtu language and indentity is more important then anything.