Can we agree on.....

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Keep posting your wikipedia sources. I know you live in a third world country where sources critic is non existent. If you lived in Europe especially in Scandinavia, you wouldn't even pass elementary with your mentality. I told you yesterday regarding psychology, that a person comprehend and interpret things they way, they wish it to be or believe it to be. That what you did last time and you do it again. I have nothing more to say, arguing with people from third world countries is useless.

Sorry my friend,But i don't want to live in a fantasy world made out of lies.

And Wiki itlsef is not a source rather it quote from other sources,For each claim wiki provide official sources unless you don't even know this.

[DSM0305]

Sorry my friend,But i don't want to live in a fantasy world made out of lies.

And Wiki itlsef is not a source rather it quote from other sources,For each claim wiki provide official sources unless you don't even know this.

lol You just proved the non existent source critic in third world countries. No wonder inventions is non existent in that part of the world. You can live in your world of lies, none of my business. While the first world progress with critical thinking, you guys will be living in backwardness for god know how long.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

lol You just proved the non existent source critic in third world countries. No wonder inventions is non existent in that part of the world. You can live in your world of lies, none of my business. While the first world progress with critical thinking, you guys will be living in backwardness for god know how long.

Ahan,So which super duper country in the west are you living in?

I believe it is you who's living in a denial world made out of lies.

You do have one hell of similarities with the Pakistani govt.Fooling the People for decades and doing nothing

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Why the crying baby in your avatar?

What did he do???

He's a victim of Pashtun elites imposed poverty on him and his family.He's sold by Pashtun elites for their own comforts.

[DSM0305]

Ahan,So which super duper country in the west are you living in?

I believe it is you who's living in a denial world made out of lies.

You do have one hell of similarities with the Pakistani govt.Fooling the People for decades and doing nothing

I live in Scandinavia that all you need to know and all countries in Scandinavia is next to ''super duper'' if not better. If you love statistics, you may find great pleasure searching about Scandinavian countries.

I wish, I could fool people like Pakistan, I would be master of 50 millions Pashtuns... Bomb them, kill them, rape them, divide them, take land from them and they still would have loved me Sadly I can never reach that level that Pakistan have.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

I live in Scandinavia that all you need to know and all countries in Scandinavia is next to ''super duper'' if not better. If you love statistics, you may find great pleasure searching about Scandinavian countries.

I wish, I could fool people like Pakistan, I would be master of 50 millions Pashtuns... Bomb them, kill them, rape them, divide them, take land from them and they still would have loved me Sadly I can never reach that level that Pakistan have.

Sorry but none of them is even close to Superpower

http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank.php?area=0&category=0&region=all&year=2012&order=it&min=0&min_type=it

Sweden even though ranks at 31k Documents publication last year.But can be surpassed by a third world country like Pakistan which is poised to reach 16k or even more within 3years only.will hardly take 5-8years for Pakistan to reach 31k Documents publication per year

High living standard doesnt really translate into Super-power Otherwise we would have named maldives a superpower by now.

[DSM0305]

Sorry but none of them is even close to Superpower

http://www.scimagojr.com/countryrank...=0&min_type=it

Sweden even though ranks at 31k Documents publication last year.But can be surpassed by a third world country like Pakistan which is poised to reach 16k or even more within 3years only.will hardly take 5-8years for Pakistan to reach 31k Documents publication per year

High living standard doesnt really translate into Super-power Otherwise we would have named maldives a superpower by now.

Scandinavia is paradise.
We can literally turn shi-t into energi. We have the highest amount of green energi. Our studies is well know in science. We have the best political system. We get paid for going to school. We getting paid if we're jobless. We're getting paid if we have jobs. You can leave your house open and people wouldn't care. If you lose a purse full of money, it will be returned to you and the money would be untouched. Even our prisons are 5 star hotels, with gym and sport halls, schools etc.

So if you don't consider Scandinavia as ''super duper'' then nothing is.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

i am jealous,

anyway at the end of the day your still from Afghanistan.

My brothers are in USA and both if i am not wrong even the 2nd one got citizenship just recently but none of them so far has claimed that they are american or praising like what you did using we we we

[DSM0305]

i am jealous,

anyway at the end of the day your still from Afghanistan.

My brothers are in USA and both if i am not wrong even the 2nd one got citizenship just recently but none of them so far has claimed that they are american or praising like what you did using we we we

Everyone should be, I am not even joking. I in all honestly wouldn't have believed countries like those in Scandinavia existed if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

USA is a third world country compared with Scandinavia in terms of well being and live standard.

You live in Pakistan and you keep calling it we, we. If you gonna play that game then you're also an Afghan with Pakistani citizenship. Since Pashtuns are all Afghans if you take the politics out of the game.

At least I as a Pashtun would like Afghanistan to reach the same standard as Scandinavia. Which cant be said with you.

[Smarty]

Pashtuns of napakistan need to realize that it is better to live in their own pashtun/afghan country no matter how much under-developed it is than to live as chowkidaar and servant of punjabis. Pashtun call himself proud and ghairati yet he is favourite character in jokes and comedies of punjab and sindh where he is depicted as dumb khocha who has gay tendencies....the racist stereotypes are adding up, the latest being bijlichor , suicide bomber and terrorist. He is humiliated and rejected, his poor urdu accent and his traditional khat partoog becomes hinderance in interviews for jobs in punjab and sindh. I know a guy who was recently appeared in interview for UBL bank in islamabad, he was straight away told that he is rejected because he appeared in shalwar kameez and wasket, not pant shirts.
I also know a guy in atomic energy chashma, on his first day he sat on ground beside a glass wall. A punjabi officer came, started throwing insults at him that jahil pathan like you have no idea how much costly is this glass.
I also know about a ghairatmand pashtun sipahi in army. His punjabi shia officer calling him dirty names, mentioning his sisters and mother...the sipahi warned him to shut up or he would rip his tongue out. He left army job and found job of security gaurd on banks.
@bannumazdigar know these things but his ego wont allow him to admit it.
[MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION]

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Everyone should be, I am not even joking. I in all honestly wouldn't have believed countries like those in Scandinavia existed if I didn't see it with my own eyes.

USA is a third world country compared with Scandinavia in terms of well being and live standard.

You live in Pakistan and you keep calling it we, we. If you gonna play that game then you're also an Afghan with Pakistani citizenship. Since Pashtuns are all Afghans if you take the politics out of the game.

At least I as a Pashtun would like Afghanistan to reach the same standard as Scandinavia. Which cant be said with you.

I do agree that countries like sweden has one of the world best standard of living.But calling USA as third world country?really?

The Top Country in scandinavia is swedish.If i will compare it with UAE,the Country where i was born in

Per capita
Sweden=40k dollars
UAE=43K dollars

HDI
Both in "very high" category

Global city

*Dubai is Alpha+
*Stockholm is not even alpha let alone alpha+ but rather alpha-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

Economy

*UAE Economy is growing with more than 4% and having export more than 300Billion dollars

*Swedish economic growth rate is less than 2% and export of less than 180Billion dollars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_UAE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_sweden

yes i agree it will take atleast 80years for Paksitan to reach where Sweden is today.but atleast we would be able to call it our own land.We would be called as the original people of Pakistan unlike you who will always be seen as foriegner even with citizenship.

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pashtuns of napakistan need to realize that it is better to live in their own pashtun/afghan country no matter how much under-developed it is than to live as chowkidaar and servant of punjabis. Pashtun call himself proud and ghairati yet he is favourite character in jokes and comedies of punjab and sindh where he is depicted as dumb khocha who has gay tendencies....the racist stereotypes are adding up, the latest being bijlichor , suicide bomber and terrorist. He is humiliated and rejected, his poor urdu accent and his traditional khat partoog becomes hinderance in interviews for jobs in punjab and sindh. I know a guy who was recently appeared in interview for UBL bank in islamabad, he was straight away told that he is rejected because he appeared in shalwar kameez and wasket, not pant shirts.
I also know a guy in atomic energy chashma, on his first day he sat on ground beside a glass wall. A punjabi officer came, started throwing insults at him that jahil pathan like you have no idea how much costly is this glass.
I also know about a ghairatmand pashtun sipahi in army. His punjabi shia officer calling him dirty names, mentioning his sisters and mother...the sipahi warned him to shut up or he would rip his tongue out. He left army job and found job of security gaurd on banks.
@bannumazdigar know these things but his ego wont allow him to admit it.
[MENTION=1058]Bengal_Tiger[/MENTION]

I don't like to say this because neutral readers (I often write intending to address the thousands of lurkers on this forum) may find it a bit distasteful and racist, but what I am going to say has to be said.

The truth is Pashtuns in Pakistan are fundamentally different to the Indic races of Punjab and northern India (Mohajirs). Their hearts are cleaner, they are a more simple, sincere and loyal group of people. The Punjabi/Hindustani who is often none of these thus finds the "Pathan" a simpleton and looks down on him.

Despite the superficial "Islamization" the Punjabis/Hindustanis still retain a lot of the Hindu/Indic influence in their culture (e.g. heavy castism, they look down on Bengalis as lower caste, almost untouchable though they cannot use Hindu terminology since both - Bengalis/Pakistanis - are Muslim).

Many of these things are alien to the more sincere and decent Pashtun, who is fundamentally a better Muslim (e.g. 80-90% of Tableeghis in Pakistan are Pashtuns) and nicer person.

Pashtuns in Pakistan want to live in peace and not destroy. They do not want to destroy the state in which they happen to be born in to, Pakistan. They also wish to live in peace with fellow Muslims (Punjabis/Mohajirs) so they accept a lot of the racial humiliation and belittling (quite common in the Punjabi dominated army) in the hope that one day these things will subside and Pakistan will become a better place, a fairer, more equal, nicer place.

However Pakistan will never become that, for reasons I do not wish to state in this post as it will seem I am just merely seeking to be provocative and offensive.

Though Pashtuns of Pakistan - as an outsider - I would say are nicer people, this doesn't mean they are without flaws (no one is be they Bengalis, Arabs, Americans etc). They do however consider themselves superior to Punjabis and Mohajirs, so even a "simpleton tribal Pathan" from FATA who may be laughed at by Punjabis in an office will go back home still with a deep visceral belief in his innate superiority over Punjabis and Mohajirs.

This superiority is even acknowledged implicity by Punjabis/Hindustanis with all the glorification of Pashtuns in the south Asian media e.g. Khuda Gawah.



Tribal Pashtuns also feel they are superior to Pashtuns from the cities (who they view as diluted Pashtuns or not true Pashtuns) even if that Pashtun from Mardan, Pekhawar, Kohat etc has a better job, more money, car, mobile etc.


This is a common characteristic of tribal peoples i.e. honour and superiority-complex.

The famous English writer, Caroe, wrote of this pride which was visible in the eyes of the indomitable Pashtun who clearly believed he was equal to, if not superior to, the "Britishers" who had the biggest empire the world has ever seen.

[DSM0305]

I do agree that countries like sweden has one of the world best standard of living.But calling USA as third world country?really?

The Top Country in scandinavia is swedish.If i will compare it with UAE,the Country where i was born in

Per capita
Sweden=40k dollars
UAE=43K dollars

HDI
Both in "very high" category

Global city

*Dubai is Alpha+
*Stockholm is not even alpha let alone alpha+ but rather alpha-

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city

Economy

*UAE Economy is growing with more than 4% and having export more than 300Billion dollars

*Swedish economic growth rate is less than 2% and export of less than 180Billion dollars

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_UAE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_sweden

yes i agree it will take atleast 80years for Paksitan to reach where Sweden is today.but atleast we would be able to call it our own land.We would be called as the original people of Pakistan unlike you who will always be seen as foriegner even with citizenship.

Will UAE help you when you're sick? Will UAE help you when you have depression? Will UAE pay you for getting an education? Will UAE wash you, clean you, wipe your ass when you're old and sick? Will UAE give you food if you don't have? Will UAE give you a house/apartment when you don't have a place to stay?

In Scandinavia the country, the government, the military, the police, government workers all of them serve the people. Actually the whole purpose of the government is to serve the people.

Scandinavia the countries exist to serve the people. In Pakistan people exists to serve the elites and the government...

Pakistan kills you, Pakistan bombs you, Pakistan rap-es you, Pakistan divides your land, Pakistan divides your people, Pakistan sacrifice your people and still you people unconditional love Pakistan.

When it comes down to it. Scandinavia is paradise, while Pakistan is hell. Go ahead and give Pakistan unconditional love while Pakistan bombs you. While I can curse and insult the country and the government I live in, and they will still take care of my every need.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Will UAE help you when you're sick? Will UAE help you when you have depression? Will UAE pay you for getting an education? Will UAE wash you, clean you, wipe your ass when you're old and sick? Will UAE give you food if you don't have? Will UAE give you a house/apartment when you don't have a place to stay?

In Scandinavia the country, the government, the military, the police, government workers all of them serve the people. Actually the whole purpose of the government is to serve the people.

Scandinavia the countries exist to serve the people. In Pakistan people exists to serve the elites and the government...

Pakistan kills you, Pakistan bombs you, Pakistan rap-es you, Pakistan divides your land, Pakistan divides your people, Pakistan sacrifice your people and still you people unconditional love Pakistan.

When it comes down to it. Scandinavia is paradise, while Pakistan is hell. Go ahead and give Pakistan unconditional love while Pakistan bombs you. While I can curse and insult the country and the government I live in, and they will still take care of my every need.

Back this up 100%

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Despite the superficial "Islamization" the Punjabis/Hindustanis still retain a lot of the Hindu/Indic influence in their culture (e.g. heavy castism, they look down on Bengalis as lower caste, almost untouchable though they cannot use Hindu terminology since both - Bengalis/Pakistanis - are Muslim).

We also look down upon you, we see you as people we once conquered and subjugated.

Many of these things are alien to the more sincere and decent Pashtun,

There are good Pashtuns and bad, there's noting special, please stop Mythologizing us.

You'e doing the same thing that Bollywood does with Khuda Gawah and Kabluwala and all that nonsense making things seem unrealistic and absent fro reality.

Pashtuns in Pakistan want to live in peace and not destroy. They do not want to destroy the state in which they happen to be born in to, Pakistan

.

Ok that seem to be true but so what?

so they accept a lot of the racial humiliation and belittling (quite common in the Punjabi dominated army) in the hope that one day these things will subside and Pakistan will become a better place, a fairer, more equal, nicer place.

If you ever heard some Pashtun matals you'd totally change your view of Pashtuns... many many of them are racist or of a racial/ethnic variety. It

. They do however consider themselves superior to Punjabis and Mohajirs, so even a "simpleton tribal Pathan" from FATA who may be laughed at by Punjabis in an office will go back home still with a deep visceral belief in his innate superiority over Punjabis and Mohajirs.

well yeah we tend to see you as people we conquered and enslaved at one time so we think of you as effeminate.

This superiority is even acknowledged implicity by Punjabis/Hindustanis with all the glorification of Pashtuns in the south Asian media e.g. Khuda Gawah

And it's that same mythologizing of Pashtuns which they do is what incentivised your interest in Pashtuns, you suffer from that same unrealistiic psychosis regarding Pashtuns. Most of the stuff Pashtuns say about themselves is UNTRUE or in the very least EXAGGERATED.

Tribal Pashtuns also feel they are superior to Pashtuns from the cities (who they view as diluted Pashtuns or not true Pashtuns) even if that Pashtun from Mardan, Pekhawar, Kohat etc has a better job, more money, car, mobile etc

.

it goes both ways Shahari Pashtuns see keliwal/trinals as "sada" like rednecks, as beswad.

This is a common characteristic of tribal peoples i.e. honour and superiority-complex.

the famous English writer, Caroe, wrote of this pride which was visible in the eyes of the indomitable Pashtun who clearly believed he was equal to, if not superior to, the "Britishers" who had the biggest empire the world has ever seen.

You look at things from an orientalist perspective.