Can we agree on.....

[MostafaM]

......the fact the Pashtun/Afghan people are fragmented.

We are not a homogenous group.
We share a common cultural basis, the same language and tribal ancestory, but we have divergent political, religious and historical affiliations based in regional dynamics.

Can we here agree upon the fact that,.....
....Pashtuns have to come together regardless of their world view and affiliations for the sake of their future?


I strongly advise Non-Pashtuns (and I consider the Paki-loving Pathans as Non-Pashtuns, too), to stay out of this discussion, please.

[gadoonwal]

......the fact the Pashtun/Afghan people are fragmented.

We are not a homogenous group.
We share a common cultural basis, the same language and tribal ancestory, but we have divergent political, religious and historical affiliations based in regional dynamics.

Can we here agree upon the fact that,.....
....Pashtuns have to come together regardless of their world view and affiliations for the sake of their future?


I strongly advise Non-Pashtuns (and I consider the Paki-loving Pathans as Non-Pashtuns, too), to stay out of this discussion, please.

Those who hate pashtu language and pashtun interests could be from anyside.So you can not put finger on one side.Also you do not have the authority to decide who is who.
Paki side pashtun hate farsiwanism which you people love the most so how will you feel if they declare you just ,,kabalyan,,and not pashtuns for your love with tajiks?

Remember we are not pakistanyan,not kabalyan,afghanyaans.
we are just pashtuns and nothing more.
We should work together for the unity of pashtun of lar o bar into one greater pakhtunistan for that we do not need to play the blame game.
Those who do not want pashtun unity and pashtu and pashtunistan are not pakhtuns by any mean and they could be from anyside.
Those supporting their masters tajiks and punjabis are slaves and a slave have no ethnicity.

[randolph85]

says this

We should work together for the unity of pashtun of lar o bar into one greater pakhtunistan for that we do not need to play the blame game.

after this

Paki side pashtun hate farsiwanism which you people love the most so how will you feel if they declare you just ,,kabalyan,,and not pashtuns for your love with tajiks?

lol

[randolph85]

Can we here agree upon the fact that,.....
....Pashtuns have to come together regardless of their world view and affiliations for the sake of their future?

i actually disagree, i do not feel obligated to unite with those who do not share my ideological views based on a birthright none of us chose. luckily, most pashtun's have more in common than not so we can rally around these commonalities but when it comes to fringe ideologies which do not conform to islamic belief and national loyalties, i don't want those people on the same ship as me.

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

We are divided like kurds of Turkey,iran and iraq.

*Kurds of turkey wants iranian/Iraq kurds people aswell as the land to be merged with Turkey
*Kurds of Iran wants Turkey/iraq kurds people+Lands to be merged with iran.

While those of iraq are confused.

Similar is the situation within pashtuns.

The long term possible solution is having Good relations since both of sides are way too proud

[gadoonwal]

says this



after this



lol

mula sahib,,,
That was in response to his anti-pashtun comments.
Just to clear his mind of hate.

You can not blame one side for all this mess .That is my point.
By calling someone paki or kabalay will not bring you unity.
If you want unity then stop generalizing and put your head down and think before you say.
That idiot talking of unity and do,nt know how ?
I was talking to a punjsheri old man long ago and he said if ,pashtuns get pashtunistan then they will fight eachother for pakhtunistan and pashtunistan,,,,,,,,,one group will support pashtunistan the other one will support pakhtunistan i hope you understand these two names.
Pashtuns are left with blame game and nothing more.

[gadoonwal]

i actually disagree, i do not feel obligated to unite with those who do not share my ideological views based on a birthright none of us chose. luckily, most pashtun's have more in common than not so we can rally around these commonalities but when it comes to fringe ideologies which do not conform to islamic belief and national loyalties, i don't want those people on the same ship as me.

Islam is not just for pashtun .Lets unite all arabs,then turks,malay and others into one umma and for sure no pashtun will oppose that.
Why islam was always used against pashtuns.
The arabs can have 22 countries and poor pakhtuns can,nt even have one.
This is an attempt to keep pashtun divided and slaves of parsibans and punjabis.
Both parsiwans and punjabis are scared of pakhtun unity.
They are using pashtuns against pashtuns.
One side kept them shut in the name of farsiwanism and another side using islam.
So if you say something against farso and farsibon you are not true afghan.If you oppose pakistan then you are not true muslim.
der kha
The creation of pashtunistan will be the end of two evils.

[gadoonwal]

I hope to GOD Pashtuns have their own country soon. I am sick of hearing them crying 24/7 about Pashtunistan.

I hope these people get their Pashtunistan soon, so I can hear about what they will cry about next.

It takes time for a slave nation to get freedom.
So calm down chaudry sahib and have cold glass of lassi.
Pashtuns are lost on both side.
On th east they are control by pakistan in the name of islam even pakistani army killing them day and night for dollars.
On the westren side parsibans hate them and their language and making fun of them.They can not speak pashtu in the presence of one farsibans.
They are fully control by tajiks.Every pashtun must learn farsi to work but tajik do,nt need to learn pashtu still they are in superiority comlex wich is nothing more then joke.
The real pashtuns are disadvantage and live much more poor lives then tajiks and uzbiks.Same in pakistan.

So pashtun country is the answer.

[randolph85]

Islam is not just for pashtun .Lets unite all arabs,then turks,malay and others into one umma and for sure no pashtun will oppose that.
Why islam was always used against pashtuns.
The arabs can have 22 countries and poor pakhtuns can,nt even have one.
This is an attempt to keep pashtun divided and slaves of parsibans and punjabis.
Both parsiwans and punjabis are scared of pakhtun unity.
They are using pashtuns against pashtuns.
One side kept them shut in the name of farsiwanism and another side using islam.
So if you say something against farso and farsibon you are not true afghan.If you oppose pakistan then you are not true muslim.
der kha
The creation of pashtunistan will be the end of two evils.

i don't get where you get the idea that afghan pashtuns are held down by tajik culture, and paki pashtuns are held down by islam, both assertions are ridiculous and offensive to pashtuns on both sides of the border.

how in the hell did "farsiwanism" keep pashtuns down when prior to 92, pashtuns ruled the country with an iron fist and discriminated against minorities? unless pashtuns are a bunch of idiots, a decade of tajik political clout would not be able to undo over 250 years of pashtun rule.

i don't know where you were getting with the arab example. arabs with their multiple states is an example of their weakness and division, not their strength.

[gadoonwal]

i don't get where you get the idea that afghan pashtuns are held down by tajik culture, and paki pashtuns are held down by islam, both assertions are ridiculous and offensive to pashtuns on both sides of the border.

how in the hell did "farsiwanism" keep pashtuns down when prior to 92, pashtuns ruled the country with an iron fist and discriminated against minorities? unless pashtuns are a bunch of idiots, a decade of tajik political clout would not be able to undo over 250 years of pashtun rule.

i don't know where you were getting with the arab example. arabs with their multiple states is an example of their weakness and division, not their strength.

how many of the 92 pashtuns were pashtu speaking?
The royal muhdzais are culturaly more closer to tajiks then pashtuns so you are completly wrong here.
The few pashtu speaking ruled for short time and were killed.
If pashtun ruled over afghanistan then why farsi is the national language and language of communication among afghans why not pashtu?
why they did,nt impose pashtu on farsibans then?
in fact farsibans kings imposed parsi on pashtuns,is this not true?
was zahir khan able to say alef bay thay in pakhtu?
why is pashtun karzai speak parsi most of the time if pashtun ruled?
Take the example of iran where parsiwans are not more then 49% but everyone have to learn parsi.
So why is pashtu not accepted by tajiks?
When pakistani backed talibs declare pashtu the national language of afghanistan tajiks were crying they are imposing paki language on us.
so what is afghani language then?
farsi?
or pashtu?
afghan mean pashtun right so afghan langauge mean pashtu.

[Kushan Prince]

I disagree with your statement MostafaM.

[Kushan Prince]

It takes time for a slave nation to get freedom.
So calm down chaudry sahib and have cold glass of lassi.
Pashtuns are lost on both side.
On th east they are control by pakistan in the name of islam even pakistani army killing them day and night for dollars.
On the westren side parsibans hate them and their language and making fun of them.They can not speak pashtu in the presence of one farsibans.
They are fully control by tajiks.Every pashtun must learn farsi to work but tajik do,nt need to learn pashtu still they are in superiority comlex wich is nothing more then joke.
The real pashtuns are disadvantage and live much more poor lives then tajiks and uzbiks.Same in pakistan.

So pashtun country is the answer.

Why are so you bitter against tajiks?

[gadoonwal]

Why are so you bitter against tajiks?

They hate pashtu,pashtunwali and pashtun unity.
They want pashtun to learn parsi but they hate to learn pashtu why?
Tajiks is the only ethnic group challenging pashtun rule and for that they use every method to keep pashtun out of war.
They take side with outsiders just to keep pashtun out of power.
They are decreasing pashtun numbers and promoting persain culture and language in afghanistan.
They foremd an allaince with uzbiks and hazaras against pashtuns.
They never fight jehaad in fact they collect weapons to get control over kabul and they did so.
They look down up on real pashtuns and pashtu.
It is light and clear.

[gadoonwal]

kushan,
Generelly i never been racist towards tajiks.
In fact i have a punjsheri freind too but he dose,nt like politics.
I helped them too but i hate their racism against pashtuns.

[Kushan Prince]

They hate pashtu,pashtunwali and pashtun unity.
They want pashtun to learn parsi but they hate to learn pashtu why?
Tajiks is the only ethnic group challenging pashtun rule and for that they use every method to keep pashtun out of war.
They take side with outsiders just to keep pashtun out of power.
They are decreasing pashtun numbers and promoting persain culture and language in afghanistan.
They foremd an allaince with uzbiks and hazaras against pashtuns.
They never fight jehaad in fact they collect weapons to get control over kabul and they did so.
They look down up on real pashtuns and pashtu.
It is light and clear.

Yeah so? We love tajiks do you have a problem with that? Atleast they are our fellow countrymen like uzbeks and have lived with us for hundreds of years. You "paki pathans" have sold your asses to baba jinnah and his pakistan so how can we possibly trust whatever the hell your saying? No offense bro but find another hobby instead of bashing tajiks all the time.