Can we agree on.....

[Da Bannu Mazdigar]

Kushan has a point.

It is not the Pakistani pashtuns that has suffered with them from the past 3-4 decades but their fellow tajiks and uzbeks.

Tajiks/uzbeks suffered with them under the Soviet invasion,Taliban govt and again NATO invasion.They didnt left them alone to the NATO and formed a new country even though NATO,India,Iran,Russia everyone is on Non pashtun sides in Afghanistan and Pashtuns might only have Pakistan support in internal problems of Afghanistan.But i think even Pakistan will remain neutral this time.

He does has a point.Why should he hate Tajiks,uzbel.hazara etc and love Pakistani pashtuns who have not suffered with them anything but rather are living under a different country

[Smarty]

What you guys don't realize is that you are all the same. All of you are from baba Adam. The entire world is from baba Adam saw.

Pashtuns need to grow up. This tribal bull**** is for history, not for future.

Dhaalkhora thread starter clearly said that pakis should stay away from this discussion....go and do farting on some other thread

[DSM0305]

People need to wake up and realize the situation and facts.

We got Kushan who is unaware of Tajik politics and then we got gadonwal who think Pashtun in Afghanistan are enslaved...

The reality is that Tajiks in Afghanistan indeed is racist toward Pashtuns, of course not all of them but tajik politicians and their supporters (which make majority of them).

They have an anti Pashtun politics, but it isn't for the reason gadonwal have mention. Pashtuns are majority in Afghanistan and because of that they use anti pashtun element to weaken us.

In Afghanistan the national language is Pashto along with Dari. Afghanistan national anthem is in Pashto and we can freely speak Pashto in parliament/government. Farsiwans can understand Pashto and speak it, the problem is they are racist and wont speak back to you in Pashto. You can have a normal conversation with them in Pashto, but they will answer you back in Dari.

To counter these anti Pashtun politics and balance the power that Tajiks obviously have a monopol over, we need a counter politic that go against fascist politics of Tajiks. That is by joining Uzbeks in politics, because Tajiks hate Uzbeks and have oppressed them even more than Pashtuns. By politically becoming allies with Uzbek we can form a majority in politics, against Tajik and Hazara political union. Hereby balancing the power in Afghanistan.

We should also remember that we shouldn't hate Pakistan for the wrong reason. Kushan obviously hate Pakistan because Pashtunkhwa isn't part of Afghanistan, which is low self esteem and nothing more. The most reasonably reason is because Pakistan have supported extreme religious elements in Afghanistan. That not the sole reason, because what they did afterward was even worse. They played double game by supporting USA and Taliban. This meant a prolonged war in Afghanistan which the main victims were Pashtuns. Supporting Taliban or USA is fine if that what pleases you, but supporting them both is simply inhumane toward Afghan people.

What we need to do now is forget the past and focus on the future. Afghanistan and Pakistan will be neighbors for a very long time whether we like it or not. We need to improve our relation and make an EU like relation. People in Afghanistan and Pakistan should be able to freely move around between both countries. This way Pashtun can make businesses, share culture, speak Pashto and basically be united. Pashtuns would be the main benefiters of this relation and Pashto language would have greater influence since it is spoken in both countries.

If Europe moved on and forgot about the cruel World War 1 and 2, why shouldn't we be able to move on from the past.

[Smarty]

In my opinion we can not simply ignore millions of pakified pathans who dance to the tunes of takht-e-hera mundi. Punjabi eats dhaal, he is more cunning, he is using his pathan servants against us, against afghanistan. Majority of ISI agents operating in pakhtunkhwa and afghanistan are these pathans.
Despite of their filth we have to be hopeful that these pathans in army, beaurocracy are doing this for money . I am certain that these oppurtunistic pathans can be redeemed, there must be some good corner left in them.
2- The mullah baradri, taliban etc. They are our people, we have to reconcile them....they have to renounce violence. We dont know future, may be these dumb-fcks turn their guns on punjab.
3- Pashtun nationalists of Pakistan. They have to change their ways. They are using the names of pashtun and pashtunwali for their politics. They are not different from Maulanas. If maulanas are religous bigots then these nationalists are racial bigots.
4- Munafiqs of jumat-e-islami...each and every one must be killed.

About tajiks and uzbeks, i agree with DSM0305, pashtuns should join hands with uzbeks. And tajiks, they are not going any where.....they are our minority. Once pashtuns establish their dominance, tajiks are going to serve our khanate again.

[Khostai]

People need to wake up and realize the situation and facts.

We got Kushan who is unaware of Tajik politics and then we got gadonwal who think Pashtun in Afghanistan are enslaved...

The reality is that Tajiks in Afghanistan indeed is racist toward Pashtuns, of course not all of them but tajik politicians and their supporters (which make majority of them).

They have an anti Pashtun politics, but it isn't for the reason gadonwal have mention. Pashtuns are majority in Afghanistan and because of that they use anti pashtun element to weaken us.

In Afghanistan the national language is Pashto along with Dari. Afghanistan national anthem is in Pashto and we can freely speak Pashto in parliament/government. Farsiwans can understand Pashto and speak it, the problem is they are racist and wont speak back to you in Pashto. You can have a normal conversation with them in Pashto, but they will answer you back in Dari.

To counter these anti Pashtun politics and balance the power that Tajiks obviously have a monopol over, we need a counter politic that go against fascist politics of Tajiks. That is by joining Uzbeks in politics, because Tajiks hate Uzbeks and have oppressed them even more than Pashtuns. By politically becoming allies with Uzbek we can form a majority in politics, against Tajik and Hazara political union. Hereby balancing the power in Afghanistan.

We should also remember that we shouldn't hate Pakistan for the wrong reason. Kushan obviously hate Pakistan because Pashtunkhwa isn't part of Afghanistan, which is low self esteem and nothing more. The most reasonably reason is because Pakistan have supported extreme religious elements in Afghanistan. That not the sole reason, because what they did afterward was even worse. They played double game by supporting USA and Taliban. This meant a prolonged war in Afghanistan which the main victims were Pashtuns. Supporting Taliban or USA is fine if that what pleases you, but supporting them both is simply inhumane toward Afghan people.

What we need to do now is forget the past and focus on the future. Afghanistan and Pakistan will be neighbors for a very long time whether we like it or not. We need to improve our relation and make an EU like relation. People in Afghanistan and Pakistan should be able to freely move around between both countries. This way Pashtun can make businesses, share culture, speak Pashto and basically be united. Pashtuns would be the main benefiters of this relation and Pashto language would have greater influence since it is spoken in both countries.

If Europe moved on and forgot about the cruel World War 1 and 2, why shouldn't we be able to move on from the past.

This is so true, I once talked to a Tajik in Pashtu he was older something like 35-40, I spoke to him in Pashtu but he replied in Farsi. I got irritated and asked you do understand PAshtu don't you? He said yes a littel bit. Than I said ow poor guy you must be besewad becuase every Afghan who went to school can speak both languages really good.
Well he get red, en said no I am not besewad and replaid to me in perfect Pashtu. -_-
Typicall Tajik, most of them do understand especialy the ones who have lived under Taliban regime, but they are so racist and pround of Farsi, a forigen langauge actualy because Tajiks have forgoten there own true langauge, that they won't say a word. But most Pashtuns will also don't say a word in dari now, they have enough of this horse ****.

[Khostai]

They hate pashtu,pashtunwali and pashtun unity.
They want pashtun to learn parsi but they hate to learn pashtu why?
Tajiks is the only ethnic group challenging pashtun rule and for that they use every method to keep pashtun out of war.
They take side with outsiders just to keep pashtun out of power.
They are decreasing pashtun numbers and promoting persain culture and language in afghanistan.
They foremd an allaince with uzbiks and hazaras against pashtuns.
They never fight jehaad in fact they collect weapons to get control over kabul and they did so.
They look down up on real pashtuns and pashtu.
It is light and clear.

Yes you are right that Tajiks don't like PAshtu and pashtunwali, but openly discrimination of Pashtuns is not happening, becuase they wouldn't dare, they only have an upper hand due to US and western countries support, I don't understand were you get the idea of openly discrimination from? Did you travel to Afghanistan? And got discriminated there becuase you are a PAshtun? My relative who live in Kabul never complain about this.....

[Adam]

I hope to GOD Pashtuns have their own country soon. I am sick of hearing them crying 24/7 about Pashtunistan.

I hope these people get their Pashtunistan soon, so I can hear about what they will cry about next.

You do realise you voluntarily joined a forum full of Pashtun nationalists?

[gadoonwal]

Yes you are right that Tajiks don't like PAshtu and pashtunwali, but openly discrimination of Pashtuns is not happening, becuase they wouldn't dare, they only have an upper hand due to US and western countries support, I don't understand were you get the idea of openly discrimination from? Did you travel to Afghanistan? And got discriminated there becuase you are a PAshtun? My relative who live in Kabul never complain about this.....

i have been to afghanistan more then one time.
Dose your relatives speak pashtu with tajiks in kabul?
in kabul and the farsiban dominated areas i was stoped and even serached cus i could,nt respond them in parsi.I found them racists towards pashtuns.
I found them pashtu haters.Some of them know pashtu but do,nt like speaking it.
Jalal abad,kandar and khost etc are pashtun areas and pashtuns are same people,no discrimnation there.

The refugees from our area camp try to return and came back after few months.They were called pakis cus could,nt talk in parsi.
The tajiks and uzbiks refused to give them their land and they had no choice but to come back.
Same in takhar province where they forced pashtun refugees back.
The takhar crisis can be confirmed with benewa newspapers.

[Badlun]

Ground realities:

1. Afghanistan has not offered Afghan citizenship to all Pashtuns around the world including Pakistani Pashtuns. No one including Pakistani Pashtuns can live in a stateless condition. They must have a national identity card and a passport.

2. There is no separation movement in Pakistan to break away from Pakistan and join Afghanistan. Even the hard core Pashtun nationalists like Asfandyar Wali and Mahmood Khan Achakzai take oath under the constitution of Pakistan and are/were members of the Pakistani parliament.

3. There is not a single Pashtun nationalist party in true sense(except few Afghan Millat people) in Afghanistan who strives exclusively for Pashtun rights in Afghanistan or lobby for unification of Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand line.

4. Pashtuns in Pakistan legally need visas to enter Afghanistan and Pashtuns in Afghanistan also need visa to enter Khyber Pashtunkhwa and Pashtun Balochistan. At least the Pashtun majority Afghanistan should legally exempt Pakistani Pashtuns to enter Afghanistan without visas.

5. The only way out remains is the political status quo and struggle for Pashtuns' unity only in cultural, linguistic, historic, commercial and academic areas.

[Shehbaz Khan]

and my post was deleted! alas!

[DSM0305]

and my post was deleted! alas!

What did you write?

[afghan]

and my post was deleted! alas!

the so called communist MostafaM hates pashtun and pashtun unity.he deletes threads and post without any reason.

[MostafaM]

the so called communist MostafaM hates pashtun and pashtun unity.he deletes threads and post without any reason.

I am a communist because I delete the Russian topic?
The language of your Khalqi/Parchamie war criminals?

Then I am the proudest "communist" ever if thats the definition of the word.

I will delete

a) comments of Paki-loyal Pathans who have no say in this thread because its about Pashtun Unity not about the cancer-like entity they wanna rott in for the rest of their miserable lifes

b) hate speech towards ethnicities, religious groups and/or regions.

(Pakistan as a "nation state" is excluded from this because it is
1. a fake nation state created by the British Empire to bring chaos to the Indian Subcontinent,
2. a tool in the hands of the powerfull to oppress people in the name of religion and
3. has no legitimicy because it oppresses its own minorities culturally and linguistically to create a rootless drone in the name of religion.)

That´s why I deleted Pakwatan´s, Shehbaz´s and Gadoonwal´s posts.
Please, feel free to pakify another thread.
This question was asked seriously and aims at unifying a diverse nation.
It is not intended to be threat to anyone or look down on others based on ethnicity, religion etc. but to build a basic understanding between Pashtuns to empower themselves for the future.

Further nonsense will be deleted without any comment!

[gadoonwal]

Ground realities:

1. Afghanistan has not offered Afghan citizenship to all Pashtuns around the world including Pakistani Pashtuns. No one including Pakistani Pashtuns can live in a stateless condition. They must have a national identity card and a passport.

2. There is no separation movement in Pakistan to break away from Pakistan and join Afghanistan. Even the hard core Pashtun nationalists like Asfandyar Wali and Mahmood Khan Achakzai take oath under the constitution of Pakistan and are/were members of the Pakistani parliament.

3. There is not a single Pashtun nationalist party in true sense(except few Afghan Millat people) in Afghanistan who strives exclusively for Pashtun rights in Afghanistan or lobby for unification of Pashtuns on both sides of the Durand line.

4. Pashtuns in Pakistan legally need visas to enter Afghanistan and Pashtuns in Afghanistan also need visa to enter Khyber Pashtunkhwa and Pashtun Balochistan. At least the Pashtun majority Afghanistan should legally exempt Pakistani Pashtuns to enter Afghanistan without visas.

5. The only way out remains is the political status quo and struggle for Pashtuns' unity only in cultural, linguistic, historic, commercial and academic areas.

Badlun sb der kha,
This is reality and i hope everyone here understand your point.

I asked so many time this question from afghan side if you want us to join afghanistan then why do i need visa ?
why do,nt you offer citizenship to all pashtuns like isreal dose to jews?

The problem is that pashtuns in afghanistan politically,economically and culturally very weak compare to tajiks.
They themselves are opressed and disadvantage and have fully brainwashed by the farsi speaking pashtuns and tajiks.
They are taught that pashtuns in pakistan are pakistanis.
Now if you accept this then there is no point for blaming them.
The loy afg supporters are in small number and they just repeat the good old days thats all.
The pure and real pashtuns of afghanistan are suffering.
Compare their lives with uzbiks and tajiks and you will see the differance.
They must learn farsi ..
If you only know pashtu then you will never be successfull there.

So the loy afg is just the slogan of few people.
They have no authority to open the border and give us afghan passport .
Now on what bases they blame the pashtuns of east?
You sold them then you can,nt offer them citizenship and still blaming them for not supporting you .These are just few emotionals.

Now mamod khan himself want only a greater pashtunkhwa province from chetral to bolan with greater autonomy inside pakistan.
Asfandyar wali ,s anp the most loyalist pakistani party.
I do,nt blame both side cus they are powerless and disadvantage.
Their minds,economy etc are controled by non-pakhtuns.

We should respect the minorities but if they want to rule majority and imposing their language and culture on majority then think about are they going in the right direction?
The outcome will be far worst for them in the future if this unjustice continue.
They want you to speak their language but they are not learning your one.
From one side we are control by punjabis and from another by farsiwans so where we are here?

[gadoonwal]

and my post was deleted! alas!

you can write it again.