How to secularise Afghanistan

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

I begin to understand why some members hate Hollow.

[Tiger Khan]

Pashtun have always been manipulated in the name of religion. I love islam and everything that is taught therein. I would love pashtuns following islam with their rationale mind rather than following everything that a mullah says.

[Khostai]

people who lived under taliban are mostly secularisized. they keep their religion private and never try to convert you doesn't matter what kind of religion you have. this is what i saw from the refugees.

but afghans who never lived under taliban or were born in another country are mostly very strict. they hate talibans BUT have salafi as a friends. WTF?

Yes thats true, but what is your idea on how to make Afghans more secular en democratic?

[HalloIsBack]

Yes thats true, but what is your idea on how to make Afghans more secular en democratic?

sorry khostai zma xa malgeraj
i have never lived in afghanistan so i cannot give you any approaches about secularism and democracy in afghanistan

in my opinion we should ask the members of pf who are living in afg or lived recently in afg

[Bengal_Tiger]

Pashtun have always been manipulated in the name of religion. I love islam and everything that is taught therein. I would love pashtuns following islam with their rationale mind rather than following everything that a mullah says.

Pashtuns in Pakistan are known for being the people with the strongest love for Islam e.g. in some areas 90% of Tableeghis are Pashtuns.

However Islam is then exploited by Punjabis and the Pakistani regime to manipulate the sentiments of Pashtuns in order to advance the interests of the Pakistani regime.

We Bengalis have a similar problem. Growing up, I was religious and did not know much about history and so by default I thought I should be close to Pakistanis (Punjabis) as they were Muslims, then I interacted with them and saw their true, cruel and racist nature.

Defence.pk is full of Pakistani-wannabe "Bangladeshis" and razakars (pro-Pakistan collaborators) who are less than 5% of Bangladeshis in real life, but these individuals are manipulated by pseudo-Islamic parties to adore Pakistan.

[randolph85]

Afg is too poor to become secularized. The process is easier when peoples lives become easier and they lose their humility.

[Khostai]

Afg is too poor to become secularized. The process is easier when peoples lives become easier and they lose their humility.

Oke so economical developmnet is good start.
I am not sure what you mean by losing humilty? Are afghans humble when they are the super religious now?

[Friend]

Hi everyone, lets share ideas on how we can secularise and make Afghanistan more sociaal and democratic.
Please no stupid remarks and name callings.

Khostai it is only possible if you dare to go to khost and announce openly in the public that you are a secularists and i dennounce the stupid mullahs and their religion. If you came back alive then we can think of this great idea that you shared with us. May be you will be given a noble prize for this great job.

[Khostai]

Khostai it is only possible if you dare to go to khost and announce openly in the public that you are a secularists and i dennounce the stupid mullahs and their religion. If you came back alive then we can think of this great idea that you shared with us. May be you will be given a noble prize for this great job.

Ow you don't dare to think difrent becuase you are afraid what the mullahs and other peopel will do to you? Is that the reason you follow Islam and want shariah becuase you are afraid? Grow some balls oke!

[Friend]

Ow you don't dare to think difrent becuase you are afraid what the mullahs and other peopel will do to you? Is that the reason you follow Islam and want shariah becuase you are afraid? Grow some balls oke!

Im not afraid of them. It is you who is afraid, sittings thousands miles away and doing propaganda for the system of Shaytaan.

[$hiva]

Pashtun have always been manipulated in the name of religion. I love islam and everything that is taught therein. I would love pashtuns following islam with their rationale mind rather than following everything that a mullah says.

Let me put it this way, no foreigner can be compared to even the dust in the feet of our proud and warrior nation, my nation, Afghanistan.

[Tiger Khan]

Pashtuns in Pakistan are known for being the people with the strongest love for Islam e.g. in some areas 90% of Tableeghis are Pashtuns.

However Islam is then exploited by Punjabis and the Pakistani regime to manipulate the sentiments of Pashtuns in order to advance the interests of the Pakistani regime.

We Bengalis have a similar problem. Growing up, I was religious and did not know much about history and so by default I thought I should be close to Pakistanis (Punjabis) as they were Muslims, then I interacted with them and saw their true, cruel and racist nature.

Defence.pk is full of Pakistani-wannabe "Bangladeshis" and razakars (pro-Pakistan collaborators) who are less than 5% of Bangladeshis in real life, but these individuals are manipulated by pseudo-Islamic parties to adore Pakistan.

yes, i agree with you certain extent. But once people start using their own rational mind, they stop being manipultaed.

[Tiger Khan]

Let me put it this way, no foreigner can be compared to even the dust in the feet of our proud and warrior nation, my nation, Afghanistan.

Afghanistan is not a nation, its a country.

[DaZahroJaam.]

why would you want to do that?? why not work to make better what we already have? at the end of the day, majority of afghans are muslims and our problem is not islam, it's the misinterpretation of islam.
also, you can't take seculerism and toss it at a nation suffering from religious extremism and expect it to work it's magic. the amount of time and effort that you want to waste on that idea can easily buy you a better state and a brighter future.

[RevolutionThroughReason]

Khostai; the only way is by doing what the Soviet Union was trying to do and use brutal force; and even that won't be easy. Otherwise there's no hope especially considering Non-Secularists like myself are very savvy on Secular Methods and we know how to intellectually neutralize them.