Update on 0ld member Hairan's current status

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Plus so what if Muslims leave Islam, were in the 21st century, people should be allowed to choose their own paths in life, Muslims are unique in this case, no other faith murders for apostasy, no other faith to this day, go into a frenzy if they hear somebody has left Islam. This goes to show they are desperate.

Well, leaving Islam is a pretty big deal apparently. Otherwise people like you woulndt be advertising your apostasy all over the internet.

This thread is to show how pashtun nationalism is corelated to disbelief and immorality. Since this is a nationalist platform, i am here to challenge the ideas of nationalists.

[Pisho]

^^says shamlawar KHORASANI

of course ur against pashtun nationalism
we got the point

[inFlight]

[MENTION=5381]Shamlawar Khurasani[/MENTION]

If I understand correctly, you have no job, that must be difficult for you, and you love Afghanistan - so why not return?

How do you know that you were 'chosen by Allah'? You were born in islam - thus 'born muslim' - not your choice.

"Pashtuns are nationalists" - what exactly do you mean by that?

[inFlight]

I do not need to convince anybody of the goodness of Islam. Islam does not require from me to make it look better. However, in case someone is ignorant, we as Muslims can always teach them what Islam is.

In case of people like Hairan and you, the reason why you are who you are and the reason why you believe what you believe is because Allah knows you and your intention and he allowed you to become what you have become. Likewise, Allah knows me and knows my intention and the reason why I am who I am is because of Allah.

At the end of the day, we all die and disappear under the surface. The only thing that we leave behind is our actions.

The reason why you are constantly agitated and hostile towards Islam and Muslims is because Allah knows you and makes you commit these crimes against yourself.

Well tell me, what is Islam? There appear to be many streams that claim to be the true Islam.

"The reason why you are constantly agitated and hostile towards Islam and Muslims is because Allah knows you and makes youcommit these crimes against yourself.

Thus 'Allah' deliberately makes people "commit crimes"? That surely can't be true?

[inFlight]

There use to be a member here called "hairan". He was a typical Pashtun nationalist. He posted here for a while, and then he suddenly disappeared.

Well, he re-surfaced in Holland few years ago. He applied for asylum because of his apostasy. He obtained asylum on the grounds that his life is in danger in Afghanistan since he is "public figure" who is no longer a Muslim.

Now he is running his blog in Dutch. He is working hard to master the dutch language. I must say, his ability to learn the Dutch language is quite amazing.

I read his blog sometimes to see what he is up to. It seems he is trying to write the most obscene stuff in order to gain respect from the Islamophobic bloggers and demagogues in Holland.

I learned about his apostasy from the people who lived with him in the same asylum seekers camp. Apparently he was trolling his fellow Pashtun asylum seekers with his Islam bashing.

In fact he even wrote some really offensive stuff in Pashto about Islam on pro-Taliban facebook groups in order to make his case for asylum.

Currently he is avoiding Pashtuns like a plague. Only a very small group of like minded people interact with him.

As usual, the whole Pashtun Nationalist mumbo jumbo he was on about is all gone. Just like that dude, Amanullah ( MakeenMaseed Iwantjustice1).

The thing is, in Holland there are thousands of apostates. Allot of people from Afghanistan openly distance themselves from Islam and Muslims. This country is not like Afghanistan. So there is absolutely no reason for one to fear persecution because of apostasy. In fact, being an apostate from Islam earns you allot of respect from certain people in the Dutch community.

But what puzzles me, is why does Hairan distance himself from the Pashtuns all together? I can see he doesn't like the Muslim part of Pashtuns, but surely, he is still a Nationalist, right? How come you don't see or hear from him even in the Pashtun Nationalist circles in Holland?

My answer to this is very simple: Most Pashtun Nationalists do not believe in their cause. Its just all lies. Thats why the dude even stopped publishing in Pashto ever since is in Holland. All he does is write childish and pointless stuff in Dutch on his blog.

More on him later.

"A lot of people from Afghanistan openly distance themselves from Islam and Muslims."

Why?

"This country is not like Afghanistan".

No - excepting persona no grata - Muslims like you.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Most people from Afghanistan are ignorant. They don't know much about their religion and they are raised with Bollywood culture and Communist education.

When they see rich and wealthy non Muslims and compare this with their poor and illiterate Muslim community, the quickly conclude that Islam holds back people from being rich and prosperous. Thus they become apostates.

Other reasons are loving promisquity, immorality and hedonism which obviously is against Islam.

This country is not like Afghanistan, meaning people in Afghanistan apostasy is punished if proclaimed openly.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

f I understand correctly, you have no job,

I do have a job, I am self employed and I am still studying.

How do you know that you were 'chosen by Allah'? You were born in islam - thus 'born muslim' - not your choice.

Hadith - Bukhari 2.440, Narrated Ibn Shihab

Abu Huraira, narrated that the Prophet said, "Every child is born with a true faith (i.e. to worship none but Allah Alone) but his parents convert him to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal. Do you find it mutilated?" Then Abu Huraira recited the holy verse: "So set you (O Muhammad SAW) your face towards the religion of pure Islâmic Monotheism Hanifa (worship none but Allâh Alone) Allâh's Fitrah (i.e. Allâh's Islâmic Monotheism), with which He has created mankind. No change let there be in Khalq*illâh (i.e. the Religion of Allâh Islâmic Monotheism), that is the straight religion, but most of men know not. [Tafsir At*Tabarî, Vol 21, Page 41] " (30.30).

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Well tell me, what is Islam? There appear to be many streams that claim to be the true Islam.

Islam is Quran & Sunnah. The correct interpretation of Quran & Sunnah is, the interpretation of the early 3 generation of Muslims.

Any other stream claiming Islam deviating from this, is either a deviant or not a Muslim.

"The reason why you are constantly agitated and hostile towards Islam and Muslims is because Allah knows you and makes youcommit these crimes against yourself.

Thus 'Allah' deliberately makes people "commit crimes"? That surely can't be true?

Yes, Allah created us, and he gave us a free will. If he notices that we tend towards the evil and reject what is good, he will lead us towards that and make the path easy for us to become disbelievers.

The same applies for the opposite, if we tend towards the good, Allah makes it easy for us and guides us to Islam.

[inFlight]

Islam is Quran & Sunnah. The correct interpretation of Quran & Sunnah is, the interpretation of the early 3 generation of Muslims.

Any other stream claiming Islam deviating from this, is either a deviant or not a Muslim.





Yes, Allah created us, and he gave us a free will. If he notices that we tend towards the evil and reject what is good, he will lead us towards that and make the path easy for us to become disbelievers.

The same applies for the opposite, if we tend towards the good, Allah makes it easy for us and guides us to Islam.

"Believing in" is always 'I think it is so' - without evidence.

Your 'evidence' is none existent, because you believe what early muslims wrote, and that cannot be verified as the truth.

"interpretations" are per definition 'I think/have decided it is so' - no evidence,

'3 hadiths' mean '3 hadith are more likely true' - no evidence, ....

He said, that he said, .... no evidence, thus not for:

"Every child is born with a true faith" - meaning islam.

"parents convert them to Judaism or to Christianity or to Magainism, as an animal delivers a perfect baby animal".

Nothing wrong with "perfect".

You don't think rationally:

you say that humanity before islam - such as christians, buddhist, hindoes - 'converted' their children. Besides impossible to "convert" a child to any religion.

"Allah created us, and he gave us a free will."

"Free will" depends on all sorts of personal- and other circumstances, and 'predestination' denies that altogether. When born in an islamic country - children are muslim, in Thailand mainly Buddhist; and what is seen as "good" or "bad" varies in mankind.

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Too much coffee?

[inFlight]

No "good" is self-satisfaction - others are "disbelievers", thus you 'superior'; and that because you believe in 'the first 3 centuries islam'.

"pashtun nationalism is correlated to disbelief and immorality"

That must be said of the Taliban's "immorality".

You know I'm Dutch.

Which home-country did you leave; and why did you leave?

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

Je schrijft alsof je zo'n autistisch kindje bent. Schrijf normaal anders heeft het geen zin om met jou te discussieren aangezien je communicatief niet vaardig bent.

[inFlight]

Most people from Afghanistan are ignorant. They don't know much about their religion and they are raised with Bollywood culture and Communist education.

When they see rich and wealthy non Muslims and compare this with their poor and illiterate Muslim community, the quickly conclude that Islam holds back people from being rich and prosperous. Thus they become apostates.

Other reasons are loving promisquity, immorality and hedonism which obviously is against Islam.

This country is not like Afghanistan, meaning people in Afghanistan apostasy is punished if proclaimed openly.

"Ignorant"? Kabul used to have the best University in the region, and women used to study there.

The Taliban are afraid of everything non-Islam, thus burn books; and forbade girls to go to school, that - 'cause and effect' - caused "ignorance".

"When they see rich non Muslims ...

Not only Muslim oil-Arabs swim in "richness".

and they love promisquity, immorality and hedonism. Thus they become apostates.

Many become christians - thus have read the New Testament and Bible - a lot of study, others become atheist - one you may know is Ayaan Hirsi Ali; and in respect to her:

This country is not like Afghanistan. So there is absolutely no reason for one to fear persecution because of apostasy.

You threathen 'Hairan" with death - as was Ayaan in Holland.

Aren't you ashamed of yourself?

[inFlight]

You can't refute what I say - thus you abuse me - and that is weakness, as is violence against apostates, and your 'superiority' as Muslim over other Muslims.

Moslims zoals jij geven islam geen bar slechte naam?

You can learn from me - I nothing from you!

[Shamlawar Khurasani]

You are right. I cant refute you. I am not abusing you. I just state facts. The way you wright is horrible. It discourages me from addressing the points you are raising.

Islam doesnt need me for a good image. Islam is beautiful and perfect.