What is your zodiac sign?

[Alchemist]

You online sheikhs are just quoting mining from online fatwa factories ...but you don't seem to know what astrology really means.

Astrology is based on the premise that the world is enchanted, there is meaning and purpose in it.
It is not "materialist" because it does not objectify the world as being purposeless and devoide of meaning.


Narrated 'Aisha: On the day of a solar eclipse, Allah's Apostle stood up (to offer the eclipse prayer). He recited Takbir, recited a long recitation (of Holy Verses), bowed a long bowing, and then he raised h is head saying. "Allah hears him who sends his praises to Him." Then he stayed standing, recited a long recitation again, but shorter than the former, bowed a long bowing, but shorter than the first, performed a long prostration and then performed the second Rak'a in the same way as he had done the first. By the time he had finished his prayer with Taslim, the solar eclipse had been over. Then he addressed the people referring to the solar and lunar eclipses saying, "These are two signs amongst the Signs of Allah, and they do not eclipse because of anyone's death or life. So, if you see them, hasten for the Prayer."

This is repeated hadith...so how many here actually hasten to prayer when they see the solar eclipse? If it had no significance then why would the prophet peace be upon him call it a Sign of Allah? Not only that ..but the prayer described above is also unique as each Rak'a has two bowings.

[Afghanistan2010]

You online sheikhs are just quoting mining from online fatwa factories ...but you don't seem to know what astrology really means.

Astrology is based on the premise that the world is enchanted, there is meaning and purpose in it.
It is not "materialist" because it does not objectify the world as being purposeless and devoide of meaning.


Narrated 'Aisha: On the day of a solar eclipse, Allah's Apostle stood up (to offer the eclipse prayer). He recited Takbir, recited a long recitation (of Holy Verses), bowed a long bowing, and then he raised h is head saying. "Allah hears him who sends his praises to Him." Then he stayed standing, recited a long recitation again, but shorter than the former, bowed a long bowing, but shorter than the first, performed a long prostration and then performed the second Rak'a in the same way as he had done the first. By the time he had finished his prayer with Taslim, the solar eclipse had been over. Then he addressed the people referring to the solar and lunar eclipses saying, "These are two signs amongst the Signs of Allah, and they do not eclipse because of anyone's death or life. So, if you see them, hasten for the Prayer."

This is repeated hadith...so how many here actually hasten to prayer when they see the solar eclipse? If it had no significance then why would the prophet peace be upon him call it a Sign of Allah? Not only that ..but the prayer described above is also unique as each Rak'a has two bowings.

But signs like the watermen,fish and scorpion and the similar are all man made they are not a single time mentioned neither in quran nor in the hadiths,if any cross this point he has gone against Allah and his Messenger (pbuh).


The solar eclips and lunar eclips are mentioned because its shows Allahs power as mentioned :

It is narrated by Abu Musa (RA) that once the sun was eclipsed and the Holy Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam got up, fearing that it may be the final hour (i.e. The day of judgement). He went to the mosque and offered Salaah with the lengthiest qiyam (standing posture), ruku and sajda I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, “These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah frightens his worshippers with them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for his forgiveness.

[Alchemist]

^ see here what I mean by quote mining.

Get the reference for that hadith from one of the accepted books of ahadith.

You just found that on some random website I bet and I am pretty sure it is not even in the original arabic text but a mistranslation...sometimes khushoo is translated as fear when really it means mindfulness...so I highly doubt the "Allah frightens his worshippers" is true. Maybe the disbelievers...but why the believers?


And like I said you don't know what astrology means if you think the names of the zodiac represent the meaning. The names were given as a way to recognize the constellations...it is even used in astronomy...for example "Big dipper", "orion and his dogs". Doesn't mean that it is literally a dipper.

Do you know of "Al tariq"?

In Surah 16: 12

He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the Sun and the Moon; and the Stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who are wise.

The Stars are signs for the wise men. Hence the study of Stars needs wise men. Why is that?

Or Al Waqiya... verse 75-76
Nay I swear by the places of the stars - And indeed, it is an oath - if you could know - [most] great.

[Afghanistan2010]

^ see here what I mean by quote mining.

Get the reference for that hadith from one of the accepted books of ahadith.

You just found that on some random website I bet and I am pretty sure it is not even in the original arabic text but a mistranslation...sometimes khushoo is translated as fear when really it means mindfulness...so I highly doubt the "Allah frightens his worshippers" is true. Maybe the disbelievers...but why the believers?


And like I said you don't know what astrology means if you think the names of the zodiac represent the meaning. The names were given as a way to recognize the constellations...it is even used in astronomy...for example "Big dipper", "orion and his dogs". Doesn't mean that it is literally a dipper.

Do you know of "Al tariq"?

In Surah 16: 12

He has made subject to you the Night and the Day; the Sun and the Moon; and the Stars are in subjection by His Command: verily in this are Signs for men who are wise.

The Stars are signs for the wise men. Hence the study of Stars needs wise men. Why is that?

Or Al Waqiya... verse 75-76
Nay I swear by the places of the stars - And indeed, it is an oath - if you could know - [most] great.

Here is the hadith :

Imaam al-Bukhaari and Muslim narrated that Ibn Mas’ood al-Ansaari said: “the sun was eclipsed the day Ibraaheem the son of the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) died, and the people said, ‘The sun is eclipsed because of the death of Ibraaheem.’ The Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: ‘The sun and the moon are two signs from Allaah, and they do not become eclipsed for the death or the birth of anyone. If you see that, hasten to remember Allaah and to pray.’”
According to another hadeeth in al-Saheehayn: “Call on Allaah and pray until [the eclipse] is over.”

It is reported in Saheeh al-Bukhaari that Abu Moosa said: “These signs that Allaah sends are not for the death or life of anyone, but Allaah makes His slaves afraid through them, so if you see anything of that [eclipses], then hasten to remember Allaah and call on Him and seek His forgiveness.”


Allaah causes eclipses to happen to these two mighty signs, the sun and the moon, to teach His slaves and show them that these things are created and are subject to imperfections and changes just like any other created entities. Thus He shows them His perfect ability and that He alone is deserving of worship, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And from among His Signs are the night and the day, and the sun and the moon. Prostrate yourselves not to the sun” nor to the moon, but prostrate yourselves to Allaah Who created them, if you (really) worship Him” (Fussilat 41:37)

http://mustaqeem.wordpress.com/?s=Eclips

give me some time i will show you the number and book of the hadith inshaAllah.

Regarding 16:12
its all here

Allah mentions the mighty signs and immense blessings to be found in His subjection of night and day, which follow one another; the sun and moon, which revolve; the stars, both fixed and moving through the skies, offering light by which people may find their way in the darkness. Each of (these heavenly bodies) travels in its own orbit, which Allah has ordained for it, and travels in the manner prescribed for it, without deviating in any way. All of them are under His subjugation, His control and His decree, as Allah says:
﴿إِنَّ رَبَّكُمُ اللَّهُ الَّذِى خَلَقَ السَمَـوَتِ وَالاٌّرْضَ فِي سِتَّةِ أَيَّامٍ ثُمَّ اسْتَوَى عَلَى الْعَرْشِ يُغْشِى الَّيْلَ النَّهَارَ يَطْلُبُهُ حَثِيثًا وَالشَّمْسَ وَالْقَمَرَ وَالنُّجُومَ مُسَخَّرَتٍ بِأَمْرِهِ أَلاَ لَهُ الْخَلْقُ وَالاٌّمْرُ تَبَارَكَ اللَّهُ رَبُّ الْعَـلَمِينَ ﴾
(Indeed, your Lord is Allah, Who created the heavens and the earth in Six Days, and then He rose (Istawa) over the Throne. He brings the night as a cover over the day, seeking it rapidly, and (He created) the sun, the moon, the stars (all) subjected to His command. Surely, His is the creation and commandment. Blessed is Allah, the Lord of all that exists!) (7:54) Thus Allah says;
﴿إِنَّ فِى ذلِكَ لآيَـتٍ لِّقَوْمٍ يَعْقِلُونَ﴾
(Surely, in this are proofs for people who understand.) meaning, they are indications of His immense power and might, for those who think about Allah and understand His signs.
﴿وَمَا ذَرَأَ لَكُمْ فِى الاٌّرْضِ مُخْتَلِفًا أَلْوَانُهُ﴾
(And whatsoever He has created of varying colors on the earth for you. ) When Allah points out the features of the skies, He also points out the wondrous things that He has created on earth, the variety of its animals, minerals, plants and inanimate features, all having different colors and shapes, benefits and qualities.
﴿إِنَّ فِى ذَلِكَ لآيَةً لِّقَوْمٍ يَذَّكَّرُونَ﴾
(Verily, in this is a sign for people who reflect.) meaning (those who remember) the blessings of Allah and give thanks to Him for them.

Regarding your stars :

It is what i say: we dont have knowledge in the meanings of the position of the stars thats why the Ulema said :

"And with Him [i.e., Allaah] are the keys of the unseen; none knows them except Him." [Quran 6:59] As well as (what means): "Say (O Muhammad): 'None in the heavens and earth knows the unseen except Allaah…'" [Quran: 27:65]

Fatawaa :

Are we allowed to read our star signs?



Praise be to Allaah.
Al-Bukhaari said in his Saheeh: Qutaadah said: “Allaah created these stars for three purposes: to adorn the heavens, to stone the devils and as signs by which to navigate. Whoever seeks anything else in them is mistaken and does not benefit from them, and he is wasting his time and effort in seeking something of which he has no knowledge.” (Saheeh al-Bukhaari, Baab fi’l-Nujoom, 2/240)
The study of the stars is divided into two kinds:
1- Study of the influence of the stars (astrology)
2- Study of the positions and movements of the stars (astronomy)
Study of the influence of the stars (astrology) is divided into three categories:
1 – The belief that these stars have a real influence in the sense that they create events and evil. This is major shirk (shirk akbar), because whoever claims that there is another creator alongside Allaah is a mushrik in the sense of major shirk, for he is regarding a created thing that is subjugated as a creator which subjugates.
2 – Making this a reason to claim to have knowledge of the unseen, so from the movements and changes in the stars he deduces that such and such will happen because such and such has happened to such and such a star. For example, he may say that one person’s life will be miserable because he was born under this star, and that another person’s life will be happy because he was born under that star. This person is taking knowledge of the stars as a means to claim that he has knowledge of the unseen, and claiming to have knowledge of the unseen is kufr (disbelief) which puts one beyond the pale of Islam, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghayb (Unseen) except Allaah”[al-Naml 29:65]
The grammatical structure used in the original Arabic – starting with the negation laa (translated here as “none”) followed by the word illa (“except”) – is one of the most emphatic ways of expressing exclusivity. So if a person claims to know the unseen, he is effectively disbelieving what the Qur’aan says.
3 – If he believes that the stars are the cause of good or bad things happening, this is minor shirk (shirk asghar), i.e., when something happens he attributes it to the stars (and only attributes it to the stars after it has happened). The basic principle is that whoever believes that one thing is the cause of another when Allaah has not made it so, is overstepping the mark and not acknowledging Allaah as He should be acknowledged, because the One Who makes things happen is Allaah alone. For example, if a person seeks healing from a piece of string (tied around his wrist), and says, “I believe that healing is in the hand of Allaah and this string is simply the means,” we would say to him, “You have saved yourself from major shirk but you have fallen into lesser shirk, because Allaah has not made string a clear means of healing. By doing this you have transgressed against His position of Controller and Sustainer, by making something a means to something else when Allaah has not made it so.” The same applies to one who regards the stars as the cause of rainfall when this is not the case. The evidence for that is the hadeeth narrated by al-Bukhaari (801) and Muslim (104) from Zayd ibn Khaalid al-Juhani who said: “The Messenger of Allaah SAWs (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) led us in praying Fajr at al-Hudaybiyah, following rainfall during the night. When he had finished praying, he turned to the people and said, ‘Do you know what your Lord has said?’ They said, ‘Allaah and His Messenger know best.’ He said, ‘This morning one of My slaves became a believer in Me and one became a disbeliever. As for the one who said, “We have been given rain by virtue of Allaah and His mercy,” he is a believer in Me and a disbeliever in the stars. But as for the one who said, “We have been given rain by such and such a star,” he is a disbeliever in Me and a believer in the stars.’” So the one who attributes rain to the stars is saying that the stars caused the rain.
Study of the positions and movements of the stars (astronomy) is divided into two categories:
1 – If their movements are used to define things that serve a religious purpose, this is something that is necessary. If that helps in the case of religious obligations, then learning it is obligatory, such as using the stars to determine the direction of the qiblah (direction of Makkah).
2 – If their movements are used to define things that serve a worldly purpose, there is nothing wrong with that. This is of two types:
(a) Using the stars to work out directions, such as knowing that the pole lies to the north, and that the Pole Star, which is close to it, revolves around the North Pole. This is permissible. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“And landmarks (signposts, during the day) and by the stars (during the night), they (mankind) guide themselves”
[al-Nahl 16:16]
(b) Using the stars to work out the seasons, through learning the phases of the moon. Some of the salaf regarded this as makrooh while others permitted it. The correct view is that it is permissible and there is nothing makrooh in it, because there is no shirk involved in it, unless one learns it in order to attribute rainfall or cold weather to it, and says that this is what is causing that. That is a kind of shirk. But simply knowing the time of year from it, whether it is spring or autumn or winter, there is nothing wrong with that.
See al-Qawl al-Mufeed by Shaykh Muhammad ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him), 2/102.


Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

your brother in islam

[Afghanistan2010]

Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar i found it in Sahih al Bukhari

Found in: Eclipses
Hadith no: 167
Narrated: Abu Musa
The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."
http://ahadith.co.uk/hadithbynarrato...u%20Musa&bid=1

[Alchemist]

I don't know if you can read arabic or not but here is the debate on the phrase" yukhawif ul allah beehi yibadihee"

http://hadith.al-islam.com/Page.aspx?pageid=192&BookID=24&TOCID=684

^ Go there..see it is highlighted in green. There is a debate on the phrase:

Here it is in full:

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1001 حدثنا قتيبة بن سعيد قال حدثنا حماد بن زيد عن يونس عن الحسن عن أبي بكرة قال قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم إن الشمس والقمر آيتان من آيات الله لا ينكسفان لموت أحد ولا لحياته ولكن الله تعالى يخوف بها عباده و قال أبو عبد الله ولم يذكر عبد الوارث وشعبة وخالد بن عبد الله وحماد بن سلمة عن يونس يخوف الله بها عباده وتابعه أشعث عن الحسن وتابعه موسى عن مبارك عن الحسن قال أخبرني أبو بكرة عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم إن الله تعالى يخوف بهما عباده




الحاشية رقم: 1
قوله : ( باب قول النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - : يخوف الله عباده بالكسوف ، قاله أبو موسى عن النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - ) سيأتي حديثه موصولا بعد سبعة أبواب . ثم أورد المصنف حديث أبي بكرة من رواية حماد بن زيد عن يونس وفيه " ولكن يخوف الله بهما عباده " وفي رواية الكشميهني " ولكن الله يخوف " وقد تقدم الكلام عليه في أول الكسوف .

قوله : ( لم يذكر عبد الوارث وشعبة وخالد بن عبد الله وحماد بن سلمة عن يونس : يخوف الله بهما عباده ) أما رواية عبد الوارث فأوردها المصنف بعد عشرة أبواب عن أبي معمر عنه وليس فيها ذلك ، لكنه ثبت من رواية عبد الوارث من وجه آخر أخرجه النسائي عن عمران بن موسى عن عبد الوارث وذكر فيه يخوف الله بهما عباده ، وقال البيهقي : لم يذكره أبو معمر ، وذكره غيره عن عبد الوارث . وأما رواية شعبة فوصلها المصنف في الباب المذكور وليس فيها ذلك ، وأما رواية خالد بن عبد الله فسبقت في أول الكسوف ، وأما رواية حماد بن سلمة فوصلها الطبراني من رواية حجاج بن منهال عنه بلفظ رواية خالد ومعناه وقال فيه : فإذا كسف واحد منهما فصلوا وادعوا " .

قوله : ( وتابعه أشعث ) يعني ابن عبد الملك الحمراني ( عن الحسن ) يعني في حذف قوله " يخوف الله بهما عباده " وقد وصل النسائي هذه الطريق وابن حبان وغيرهما من طرق عن أشعث عن الحسن وليس فيها ذلك .

قوله : ( وتابعه موسى عن مبارك عن الحسن قال : أخبرني أبو بكر عن النبي - صلى الله عليه وسلم - يخوف الله بهما عباده ) في رواية غير أبي ذر " إن الله تعالى " . وموسى هو ابن إسماعيل التبوذكي كما جزم به المزي ، وقال الدمياطي ومن تبعه : هو ابن داود الضبي ، والأول أرجح لأن ابن إسماعيل معروف في [ ص: 624 ] رجال البخاري دون ابن داود ، ولم تقع لي هذه الرواية إلى الآن من طريق واحد منهما . وقد أخرجه الطبراني من رواية أبي الوليد وابن حبان من رواية هدبة وقاسم بن أصبغ من رواية سليمان بن حرب كلهم عن مبارك ، وساق الحديث بتمامه ، إلا أن رواية هدبة ليس فيها " يخوف الله بهما عباده " .

( تنبيه ) : وقع قوله " تابعه أشعث " في رواية كريمة عقب متابعة موسى ، والصواب تقديمه لما بيناه من خلو رواية أشعث من قوله : يخوف الله بهما عباده " .

قوله : ( يخوف ) فيه رد على من يزعم من أهل الهيئة أن الكسوف أمر عادي لا يتأخر ولا يتقدم ، إذ لو كان كما يقولون لم يكن في ذلك تخويف ويصير بمنزلة الجزر والمد في البحر ، وقد رد ذلك عليهم ابن العربي وغير واحد من أهل العلم بما في حديث أبي موسى الآتي حيث قال فقام فزعا يخشى أن تكون الساعة قالوا : فلو كان الكسوف بالحساب لم يقع الفزع ، ولو كان بالحساب لم يكن للأمر بالعتق والصدقة والصلاة والذكر معنى ، فإن ظاهر الأحاديث أن ذلك يفيد التخويف ، وأن كل ما ذكر من أنواع الطاعة يرجى أن يدفع به ما يخشى من أثر ذلك الكسوف . ومما نقص ابن العربي وغيره أنهم يزعمون أن الشمس لا تنكسف على الحقيقة ، وإنما يحول القمر بينها وبين أهل الأرض عند اجتماعهما في العقدتين فقال : هم يزعمون أن الشمس أضعاف القمر في الجرم ، فكيف يحجب الصغير الكبير إذا قابله ، أم كيف يظلم الكثير بالقليل ، ولا سيما وهو من جنسه ؟ وكيف تحجب الأرض نور الشمس وهي في زاوية منها لأنهم يزعمون أن الشمس أكبر من الأرض بتسعين ضعفا . وقد وقع في حديث النعمان بن بشير وغيره للكسوف سبب آخر غير ما يزعمه أهل الهيئة وهو ما أخرجه أحمد والنسائي وابن ماجه وصححه ابن خزيمة والحاكم بلفظ إن الشمس والقمر لا ينكسفان لموت أحد ولا لحياته ولكنهما آيتان من آيات الله ، وأن الله إذا تجلى لشيء من خلقه خشع له وقد استشكل الغزالي هذه الزيادة وقال : إنها لم تثبت فيجب تكذيب ناقلها . قال : ولو صحت لكان تأويلها أهون من مكابرة أمور قطعية لا تصادم أصلا من أصول الشريعة . قال ابن بزيزة : هذا عجب منه ، كيف يسلم دعوى الفلاسفة ويزعم أنها لا تصادم الشريعة مع أنها مبنية على أن العالم كروي الشكل وظاهر الشرع يعطي خلاف ذلك والثابت من قواعد الشريعة أن الكسوف أثر الإرادة القديمة وفعل الفاعل المختار ، فيخلق في هذين الجرمين النور متى شاء والظلمة متى شاء من غير توقف على سبب أو ربط باقتراب . والحديث الذي رده الغزالي قد أثبته غير واحد من أهل العلم ، وهو ثابت من حيث المعنى أيضا ، لأن النورية والإضاءة من عالم الجمال الحسي ، فإذا تجلت صفة الجلال انطمست الأنوار لهيبته .

ويؤيده قوله تعالى : فلما تجلى ربه للجبل جعله دكا اهـ . ويؤيد هذا الحديث ما رويناه عن طاوس أنه نظر إلى الشمس وقد انكسفت فبكى حتى كاد أن يموت وقال : هي أخوف لله منا . وقال ابن دقيق العيد : ربما يعتقد بعضهم أن الذي يذكره أهل الحساب ينافي قوله يخوف الله بهما عباده وليس بشيء ما قاله ابن دقيق العيد هنا جيد . وقد ذكر كثير من المحققين - كشيخ الإسلام ابن تيمية وتلميذه ابن القيم - ما يوافق ذلك ، وأن الله سبحانه قد أجرى العادة بخسوف الشمس والقمر لأسباب معلومة يعقلها أهل الحساب ، والواقع شاهد بذلك . ولكن لا يلزم من ذلك أن يصيب أهل الحساب في كل ما يقولون ، بل قد يخطئون في حسابهم ، فلا ينبغي أن يصدقوا ولا أن يكذبوا ، والتخويف بذلك حاصل على كل تقدير لمن يؤمن بالله واليوم الآخر ، والله أعلم . لأن لله أفعالا [ ص: 625 ] على حسب العادة ، وأفعالا خارجة عن ذلك ، وقدرته حاكمة على كل سبب ، فله أن يقتطع ما يشاء من الأسباب والمسببات بعضها عن بعض . وإذا ثبت ذلك فالعلماء بالله لقوة اعتقادهم في عموم قدرته على خرق العادة وأنه يفعل ما يشاء إذا وقع شيء غريب حدث عندهم الخوف لقوة ذلك الاعتقاد ، وذلك لا يمنع أن يكون هناك أسباب تجري عليها العادة إلى أن يشاء الله خرقها . وحاصله أن الذي يذكره أهل الحساب حقا في نفس الأمر لا ينافي كون ذلك مخوفا لعباد الله تعالى .

Basically...it gives credence to my suspicion. That through the same chains of narrations, the phrase isn't mentioned in other books...so there is doubt on the credibility of this phrase.

I too suspected that this phrase could not be true on account of the fact that the holy prophet peace be upon him was well aware of the signs of the end of days...and He peace be upon him knew when the solar eclipse would come because this was not a sudden event that would frighten him ...as the gathering of a black cloud. (this was the argument of Ibn Arabi)...

والنسائي وابن ماجه وصححه ابن خزيمة والحاكم بلفظ إن الشمس والقمر لا ينكسفان لموت أحد ولا لحياته ولكنهما آيتان من آيات الله ، وأن الله إذا تجلى لشيء من خلقه خشع له

In sunan Ibn Majah, an-nasa'i, classified as sahih by Ibn Hazemat, and Al Ahkam, the narration goes to say ....it inspires khushoy...but "to frighten his worshippers.


(If anyone else is fluent in arabic and could translate this proper, I would appreciate it..I only understood it vaguely)



I pointed out the other ahadith (the repeated ones) to you to show you that what happens in the sky is of significance to Islam. They are symbolical and have meanings. And this is the basic premise of Islam.
Divination is a different subject and it not be the goal of astrology but only lay people believe this to be true.

Sheikh Munajjid, the salaf/whabbi? Islam.qa? That site is banned in Saudi Arabia and this man's "fatwas" aren't considered legitimate "fatwas". Why don't I make a website and issue fatwas too?

http://www.pashtunforums.com/religion-15/website-islam-qa-com-blocked-saudi-king-6122/

I don't know what he thinks is astrology either. Sure reading your horscope to find out what will happen to you tomorrow is shirk. I agree.
But learning astrology is haram? I don't think so.

[kakargirl]

If the sky holds no meaning why do we follow the Islamic calender that revolves around the moon.

[Afghanistan2010]

So you take the saudi king,the grande apostate/taghuut as someone serious?

I know there are differencies with islamqa,and those you call wahabis or salafis and the ahlus sunnah even they are part of ahlus sunnah just some have radical fews about certain issues.

I can bring you inshaAllah fatawaas from sites you trust just name them...inshaAllah i will do my job.

there is a pashto quote which says : you can't cover the sun with two fingers.

Starga be dwo gotto na pategi.

kakargirl , this is explained in Quran and Sunnah.

But i have not found a single meaning for a zodiac sign in quran and sunnah...lets turn the table and please show me you both any reliable sources from Quran and Sunnah or from the ulemas reffering to the zodiac signs.

your brother in islam.

[Afghanistan2010]

Again its in Sahih Bukhari :

Volume 2, Book 18, Number 167:

Narrated Abu Musa:
The sun eclipsed and the Prophet got up, being afraid that it might be the Hour (i.e. Day of Judgment). He went to the Mosque and offered the prayer with the longest Qiyam, bowing and prostration that I had ever seen him doing. Then he said, "These signs which Allah sends do not occur because of the life or death of somebody, but Allah makes His worshipers afraid by them. So when you see anything thereof, proceed to remember Allah, invoke Him and ask for His forgiveness."


http://www.shariahprogram.ca/Hadith/Sahih-Bukhari/018.sbt.html

[Alchemist]

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So you take the saudi king,the grande apostate/taghuut as someone serious?

I know there are differencies with islamqa,and those you call wahabis or salafis and the ahlus sunnah even they are part of ahlus sunnah just some have radical fews about certain issues.

I can bring you inshaAllah fatawaas from sites you trust just name them...inshaAllah i will do my job.

there is a pashto quote which says : you can't cover the sun with two fingers.

Starga be dwo gotto na pategi.

kakargirl , this is explained in Quran and Sunnah.

But i have not found a single meaning for a zodiac sign in quran and sunnah...lets turn the table and please show me you both any reliable sources from Quran and Sunnah or from the ulemas reffering to the zodiac signs.

your brother in islam.

My brother in Islam.

The point is that the universe has meaning in it. Allah doesn't create things in vain. If the stars are in the position they are, it is for a reason. Sure we don't know that reason. But with the data that is available to us, we can make some guesses as to what they are. Major events in our history has happened that has coincided with events in the universe...astrological events. It doesn't mean we can predict the future...no more than we can predict the weather. Still even in Islamic countries they have weather forecasters trying to "predict" what the forecast is for the week and even the month....no one condems them as mushrik...even though technically speaking ...it is a form of shirk if you do look at the weather network and decide to change your routine for the day based on it "Oh, the forecast says rain so I will take my umbrella today!" If you want to...take your umbrella with you for the season of spring and autumn anyway but not just because the weather man says so! Similarly, astrology only tells what will be a predisposition for the epoch, but not necessarily what will happen! You can know that in winter it will snow...that is not shirk, but tomorrow it will snow 5 cms? Come on!


When it comes to ISLAM QA and other generic fatwa factories, I take what they say with a grain of salt. In my view they are like the McDonald's of Fiqh. Franchises that cater, fast and quick service for a cheap price. You are not getting quality, but you get quantity and you get "mainstream"....fries and burgers with a soda. Can't go wrong with that?

Only problem with Sheikh Munajjid isn't qualified to be a sheikh...or is he? Do you know his qualifications? Please list them...
The reason why KSA banned him was after his ridiculous assertion that Mickey Mouse should be killed according to Sharia...and if you were to actually follow his "fatwas"...then you should start killing kufars if you live in a kafir state.

You posted a link to Bukhari but it isn't specific to the hadith. So it's pointless. There is only ONE mention of the hadith with "To make his worshippers afraid" in Bukhari and Al Muslim ( i believe) and its authenticity is debated. It is preposterous for you to assert that the reason for the existence of the eclipse is to strike fear in the hearts of believers...perhaps it has a higher significance ...to only men of wisdom who can see that there is Qadr in creation and can be at awe at it.

You simply mock that which you don't understand. And I agree to the extent that the magnificence of the constellations can hardly be appreciated by the lay man who only attributes superstitiousness to it.

[Afghanistan2010]

My brother in Islam.

The point is that the universe has meaning in it. Allah doesn't create things in vain. If the stars are in the position they are, it is for a reason. Sure we don't know that reason. But with the data that is available to us, we can make some guesses as to what they are. Major events in our history has happened that has coincided with events in the universe...astrological events. It doesn't mean we can predict the future...no more than we can predict the weather. Still even in Islamic countries they have weather forecasters trying to "predict" what the forecast is for the week and even the month....no one condems them as mushrik...even though technically speaking ...it is a form of shirk if you do look at the weather network and decide to change your routine for the day based on it "Oh, the forecast says rain so I will take my umbrella today!" If you want to...take your umbrella with you for the season of spring and autumn anyway but not just because the weather man says so! Similarly, astrology only tells what will be a predisposition for the epoch, but not necessarily what will happen! You can know that in winter it will snow...that is not shirk, but tomorrow it will snow 5 cms? Come on!


When it comes to ISLAM QA and other generic fatwa factories, I take what they say with a grain of salt. In my view they are like the McDonald's of Fiqh. Franchises that cater, fast and quick service for a cheap price. You are not getting quality, but you get quantity and you get "mainstream"....fries and burgers with a soda. Can't go wrong with that?

Only problem with Sheikh Munajjid isn't qualified to be a sheikh...or is he? Do you know his qualifications? Please list them...
The reason why KSA banned him was after his ridiculous assertion that Mickey Mouse should be killed according to Sharia...and if you were to actually follow his "fatwas"...then you should start killing kufars if you live in a kafir state.

You posted a link to Bukhari but it isn't specific to the hadith. So it's pointless. There is only ONE mention of the hadith with "To make his worshippers afraid" in Bukhari and Al Muslim ( i believe) and its authenticity is debated. It is preposterous for you to assert that the reason for the existence of the eclipse is to strike fear in the hearts of believers...perhaps it has a higher significance ...to only men of wisdom who can see that there is Qadr in creation and can be at awe at it.

You simply mock that which you don't understand. And I agree to the extent that the magnificence of the constellations can hardly be appreciated by the lay man who only attributes superstitiousness to it.

You twisted there something my good friend.
I did not said that there is no meaning in it,in everything is meaning it is only known to Allah and his Messenger ( which are explained we too have knowledge of them) but our knowledge is very little.

And it has nothing to do with you and your zodiac sign.

And weather forcasting is something else,you can calculate,because of the low pressure and high pressure the proximillity of rain or snowing or good weather.Its not prediction at all.

http://www.geography.learnontheinter.../pressure.html


InshaAllah i may lay man and you,you are a scholar of hadith , go forth and do what you have to do,declare the hadith as fabricated,daif and the similar.


wasalam

[Alchemist]

i m just saying your logic is flawed.

pressure changes..."chaos theory"

Chaos in the Atmosphere