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  • #91
    BLS locked this thread however since I am mentioned in a conversational exchange, I feel it only correct that I come in and clarify some possible misconceptions.

    Whilst Graveyard and Toromana are free to hold their particular views and mould their opinions around them, they operate, like Luffy does, within their own scope of emotional bias. If I have publicly rejected Graveyard making statements about other Members' families when he has insinuated that they are connected to Heera Mandi, know that there are several occasions when I have rejected much of what Luffy has posted as nothing but sensationalism on his part. A quick scroll back to the post that he makes about poor Afghans selling daughters being beggars is there to provoke; nothing else. He is just as wrong.

    For Toromana to assert that I somehow endorse Luffy's view is also reflective of his own narrow bias, since this is not true and Luffy and I do not share a common platform on many, perhaps even most issues.

    There are many members here who make valid and salient points, including Graveyard, Toromana and Luffy. They represent particular political, cultural and tribal biases. There are times when I agree with what they say. There are times when I don't. What I aim to do, in my role, is to allow a fair degree of open communication. I step in, as all the Mods do, when there is a significant breach or when the communication between Members breaks down and turns to in-fighting. I therefore fully support BLS's initial decision to freeze this thread.

    Primarily, there is a slight difference in the "freedom" of Member and the "responsibility" of the Moderator or Administrator. It is about balance, though it is not an exact science. Thus, since I don't openly adopt a particular political or religious viewpoint, it doesn't mean that I have shown an automatic bias. My view maybe just as valid if I were posting as a regular Member and not an Adminstrator.

    When Luffy/Aab-e-Hayat speaks, then Graveyard is likely to be offended. If I mute Luffy, I stand being accused of censorship. Conversely, when Toromana sets up a thread on tribal stereotypes, some would argue that it is divisive. Personally, I did not to take part in that thread, but there are many threads I don't join in with. There may, however, be a valid reason for a thread like the tribal stereotypes thread or this one, since it allows discourse. These are the merits of allowing people to express themselves. Like I say, this is not an exact science.

    But there are clear breaches. Graveyard's decision to call other Members the products of Heera Mandi was flagged up and reported. What should have happened was simple. I added a staff note, which I felt served as a reminder. My hope would always be that the fact that I cut Graveyard some slack, would allow the poster to understand that whilst he doesn't quite 'get away with it', the matter is noted and next time I would step up my action. I should have added an infraction to Graveyard's profile and sent him a warning. Instead, I tried a different tact.

    For me, it is not about personal agendas and Luffy, is not a stranger to my action. I have and reserve the right to redress in the interests of the forum.

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    • #92
      its simple,you back up luffy by lettign him degrade Afghans.

      i though this site was for unity of Pashtuns than why are these pakis aroudn here who's only reason being here is promoting pakistanism which is totally anti pashtun unity and matter of fact the death of it.

      but if it is not about unity and is about oceans of free speech than whats the complain about?

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      • #93
        @tor khan
        I agree with you. If i have offended some one with my recent posts then i apologize. I would try to be as useful to this forum as much as i can. We are first pashtuns then pakistanis or afghans and i have joined this forum as a pashtun. I would avoid pakistanism as much as possible, but the problem is that most of the topics here in political and currunt affair sections are on pakistan instead of afghanistan.

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        • #94
          Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
          its simple,you back up luffy by lettign him degrade Afghans.

          i though this site was for unity of Pashtuns than why are these pakis aroudn here who's only reason being here is promoting pakistanism which is totally anti pashtun unity and matter of fact the death of it.

          but if it is not about unity and is about oceans of free speech than whats the complain about?
          I simply stated that laghmanis, kunaris or khostwals love pakistan, they may have wish to join pakistan...how it is degradation of afghans?...pakistan is not a kafir country

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          • #95
            ^
            that is like saying that palestinians want to be isralis.
            it is highly offensive and you know it.

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            • #96
              ^Pakistan is not israel. Afghanistan and pakistan are like twin brothers, both are muslim and have shared history.

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              • #97
                how can they be twins while one is over hundreds of years old and the other is only around 60 years old?
                we dont have shared history except for Pakistan helping the british against us,and before that helping ranjith singh and before that helping the hindus against Ahmad Shah Abdali in the battle of panipath.

                other history we have together is that our ancesters made pakistanis muslims and taught them the Deen and made them civilised.

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                • #98
                  Grrrr shut up already.
                  Judging from the celestial atmosphere in here i can totally predict the success and tranquility of such marriages.

                  I am no bird, and no nest ensnares me.

                  non commercial would cost less if he was in charge himself which he plans on doing. right now it's n herat but soon it will be in qanadahar.

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
                    its simple,you back up luffy by lettign him degrade Afghans.

                    i though this site was for unity of Pashtuns than why are these pakis aroudn here who's only reason being here is promoting pakistanism which is totally anti pashtun unity and matter of fact the death of it.

                    but if it is not about unity and is about oceans of free speech than whats the complain about?
                    First of all Luffy is not my spokesperson. I do not endorse his views. He represents his own views. I am saddened that he 'degrades Afghans'. I wish he could find a better hobby. If he is wrong on a point; you have the platform to correct, however, you stray into that territory yourself where people are 'degraded', with your obsession with 'Phatans' or whatever you call them this week. Personally, I think there are better ways to serve your people than thinking up new names to insult them with.

                    I'm also glad you chose to delete the comment where you called me a beghairat. I might remind you that I have not dragged anyone's mother into any post I have made so far by name calling.


                    My first vision for Pashtoons - for humankind, in fact - is peace. But if I am allowed to be slightly selfish, then back to my people first. I would wish them to be free of disease and unhappiness, for them to have access to quality education, jobs that don't degrade them and a restoration of their pride and honour. In fact, when I make my dua, alongside my prayers for my family, I pray for Pashtoons, Muslims and all of humanity. Roundabout in that order.

                    One of the reasons I care about Pashtoons is that I feel very strongly about how we are represented and how we present ourselves. One key thing that hurts me is how quickly we can turn on one another. We do it without thinking and we do it so publicly that we give others the chance to watch and laugh at our discord.

                    In doing so we end up doing the work of the people around us who already have their prejudice against us. That, Graveyard, is disunity; not whether someone was born under an Afghan flag, an Indian flag or a Pakistani flag. You are my Pashtoon brother whether you were born or you live in Laghman, Lakki Marwat, Karachi, Delhi or New York. You are still my Pashtoon brother if you are an agnostic or piously religious.

                    Historically Pashtoons have made mistakes; hence the modern divides. What I would hope for with PashtunForums is that people can begin to transcend boundaries and distance and begin to dispel myths. That would naturally be followed by Unity.

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                    • people of punjab, who are hera mundis wala according to graveyardi, give more value and respect to pashtuns than afghans even though they are very distant from us in terms of behaviour, culture and ways of life. On the other hand afghans here are disappointment.
                      We reject every such afghans who call names to pakistan and pakistanis. Only those afghans are our brothers who are not enemies of our soil.
                      baarr may jaye unity

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                      • ^
                        baar me jayee too terey punjab aur pakistyath ke saath

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                        • Originally posted by graveyardofempires View Post
                          ^
                          baar me jayee too terey punjab aur pakistyath ke saath
                          Punjabis are our pakistani brothers. Any problem afghani?

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                          • Originally posted by Aab-e-Hayat View Post
                            people of punjab, who are hera mundis wala according to graveyardi, give more value and respect to pashtuns than afghans even though they are very distant from us in terms of behaviour, culture and ways of life. On the other hand afghans here are disappointment.
                            We reject every such afghans who call names to pakistan and pakistanis. Only those afghans are our brothers who are not enemies of our soil.
                            baarr may jaye unity
                            Just let it be. Please do not attempt to point score, Luffy. They say that there is no smoke without fire and your flaming posts, "Oh, I'm a daal khor, please feel sorry for me" end up winding people up.

                            I couldn't give a monkeys if you eat daal or pizza, but the way you manage to politicize this is something only you appear to have mastered.

                            And yes, you are intentionally divisive in many of your posts.

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                            • Luffy is just a funny clown (his own words). I am a Dhaal-Khor, does that get me a Pakistani citizenship?

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                              • Originally posted by Aab-e-Hayat View Post
                                Punjabis are our pakistani brothers. Any problem afghani?
                                no problem mr raja pakistani
                                mera sara kaam pukhtunkhwa ke saath hey ,aagey se hat jawoo.

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