KP Pashtuns in PF

[Michin Khel]

Manzerah wror has raised very important issue and i have same thoughts on the subject. I think persons with different ideologies can not be friend and two communities with different ideologies can not become one. Pashtuns of pakistan follow islam-based pakistani ideology in addition to pashtunism so their view points clashes with those of afghans.
It is concept here that you have to consider afghanistan to be your country/motherland to be accepted as a true pashtun. And you have to speak ill of pakistan to be accepted true ghairatmand pashtun....so me , shehbaz, manzerah are labeled as impaired pashtuns and we are given cold shoulders.
I myself have complains from people, system and governamentof my country but it doesnt mean that i dont love my country. I am a pakistani, and i wont tolerate any afghan who is working against my country on its soil. I wont be traitor to my country for sake of afghanistan which is not my country. Yes neutral ones are more than welcome.
If i felt that majority of pashtuns of kp are turned against pakistan now, then i would go along with my people against pakistan.

[Shehbaz Khan]

^ The majority infact don't go against Pakistan Da asi gup day !!

[Niazi]

Lol I didn't say everyone does that, but it has happened; I'm just telling Manzerah it's a two way street, each side being manipulated by the power dynamics of their respective Nations

on one end in Afghanistan it's the Mohmadzayan elite who wish they were Persian, in Pakistan it's the Pakhtuns who wish they were apart of some Urdu speaking Mughal Dynasty.

You missed the middle bit who are the running sabahi for every Tom ,**** and Harry.

[Toramana]

Hahaha Niazi, I liked your signature caption (about Mullah and the naughty girl)...

Anyhow, I owe my obligation first and foremost to Pashtuns because to be a Pashtun is a truth/reality of a higher order than either the transient realities/truths of Pakistan or Afghanistan...When there was no Pakistan, there were Pashtuns (through all the millinia before 1947, British Empire, before that Mughal Empire, Dehili Sultanate, and this goes on...)...and when there would be no Pakistan or Afghanistan there would be Pashtuns (most likely compared to geopolitical entities)...

I derive my inspiration from Pashtun land...and share more with my brethern all the way from Indus to Hindukush in terms of history, values, culture, territory, etc. than with people to the east of Indus...Therefore, it is more logical to be standing and sharing with my own kin than with others whom I have nothing in common with except religion...

It is not Pakistan that is important for the survival of Pashtuns...it is rather the other way round ...There would be no Pakistan if Pashtuns part ways with it ...Pakistan in its present shape is nothing more than a political entity kept afloat to maintain and further consolidate the economic interests and cultural supremacy of Muhajir-Punjabis...In essence, Pakistan is a project to construct an Indic identity rooted in the cultural ethoes of Muhajar and Punjabis through gradual and systematic extermination of indegenous cultures and identities (of Sindhi, Baluchi, and Pashtun, etc.)...

[BLS_1919v2.0]

After all that you still didnt have an answer to that question, ok they are on facebook but why not on here (which is the question) ???

first you say you have no mandate to speak for your people and then you speak for everyone in the forum by saying 'no knows were you stand' a contradiction?

How is that a contradiction? I am not the only one who thinks that. By people, I am talking about the 60 million Pashtun/Afghan nation, I can't speak for them.

You said why are they not here but millions use it. I said they are online and on facebook (btw there are many Pashtun groups there and I have seen many Pashtunkhwa Pashtuns on them...the biggest groups are pro-pashtun unity). Your point, again is?

[Toramana]

But having said that let me make it clear that I am open to live or be in union with others in a common country (geopolitical entity) under the following terms and conditions...

-the union/integration is voluntary and not forced as it is in the case of Pakistan..
-the right to self-rule and to be united is constitutionally guaranteed...
-Pashtuns are free to use their language at all levels of social and educational discourse, interaction, and activities...
-Pashtuns have complete freedom to practice their culture...
-Pashtuns have the economic advantage of their land and control over their resources...

Furthermore, to be free and self-ruled is important for Pashtuns in Pakistan irrespective of whether it has political implications for the rest of the Pashtuns or not...

[Alchemist]

Manzerah,

As far as I know, until now, you and I think along the same lines when it comes to Islam. That is all that matters. You are my brother in islam. And that is all that matters.
For the record: I don't hate Pakistanies either. Pakistanie people are also Muslim, they have Islamic aspirations. However, Pakistan is a British creation.
People in general all over the world are good. However, the systems and institutions that have been set up, are such that always the psychopaths are put behind the driving wheel. It is the same story in America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The world is on the cusp of a new era, as the people are slowly becoming disillusioned by the Hegemony of the Western power, which has been on going for 500 years. Pakistan is carrying the water for NATO, the west. The ruling elite of Pakistan have been selling the same crap, as their rival, the indians, to it's people. Empty promises of a "progressive" future. Even though Pakistani people are well qualified, smarter, and more educated than your average western man, they still have a hard time getting the job they deserve, the pay they earn. Pakistan is the worst hit by "the brain drain" phenomena of all the countries in the world. The people of Pakistan were better off under the British Raj than they are now. Most Pakistanies want to leave Pakistan and go abroad. Isn't that why you are in England? So if the People of Pakistan are leaving Pakistan, and you yourself have left Pakistan, why would you want the rest to stay there?

Yes KPK was a part of Afghanistan before the Durand Line Agreement..
Now let me ask you something

1) Was it written in the same Durand Line Agreement that Afghanistan can claim for this land? If Yes, where? Under which clause?

2) The second party with which you made that agreement isn't available? Go and ask that party to give you that land back?

3) Do you think that the current leaders in Afghanistan will be able to control the whole area? I mean they are unable to hold even the current Afghanistan so when they get the burden of all these people of KPK than what?

4) What is the guarantee that once you get this land back you won't sell it again?

5) What will be the future of all those Pakhtuns staying abroad having a Green Passport?

1) Durrand line is an illegitimate agreement. From a legal perspective it holds no weight in any court system. You can go and read the reasons why off the internet for which there are many sources.

2) In reality there are 3 parties. The third missing Party, The Baloch, did not even get to read it or sign it...they were not even accounted for. Are the Baloch Pashtuns? I've heard members express that Afghans want Khyber Pakhtunkhwa so they can have access to the sea. Such people think that the people of Balochistan are non existent and have no say what so ever in any of this.

3) Come on brother. How is the current leader of Pakistan controlling it now? Are they "controlling" it? Barely...what difference would it make. Nothing would change, except the map. Khyber pakhtunkhwa is the poorest province of Pakistan. Almost no investment at all is made towards. With just 50% literacy rate and an unemployment rate of 30%...majority of the youth don't have proper jobs.

4) Sell it to who? And when was it sold to begin with?

5) By Green Passport, you mean Pakistani Passport? Duel Citizenship? Around the world, the value of a pakistani passport is no different then that of an Afghan passport. You get treated the same regardless.

[KhyberKhan]

I'm from KPK but not a wobowala lover.

[kakargirl]

Salam Manzareh wrora,
Aside from your post consisting of false information such as there are more non Pashtuns here, etc. Not that it matters(since we are one people), the staff and the community is dominated by Pashtuns of Pashtunkhwa. so lets refrain from generalizing and making baseless assumptions.

As far as criticizing goes, we all criticize each others. lets not pull out that card. I can give out many examples of you, scaring your own people away. Take Nangialai Pashtana for example. I don't want any explanation cause that's not the point. The fact here is my brother, you are allowed to speak your mind just like anybody else. As long as you stay within our rules(which you have). Please, for the sake of Allah don't turn everything into a Afghan vs Pakistan thing. just because the majority who are from KP have different views than you doesn't mean you have to assume they are actors. BLS, Toramana, who have opposite views than you are from Pashtunkhwa, and I met them personally.

No to division.

My brother, if anyone attacks you (this goes for everyone) contact a staff member and they will take care of it.

thank you wror for saying this i thought so too, that the staff and communtity on here majority are from pahktun khwa this just confirmed it.

[emkhan]

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[Toramana]

Manzerah,

As far as I know, until now, you and I think along the same lines when it comes to Islam. That is all that matters. You are my brother in islam. And that is all that matters.
For the record: I don't hate Pakistanies either. Pakistanie people are also Muslim, they have Islamic aspirations. However, Pakistan is a British creation.
People in general all over the world are good. However, the systems and institutions that have been set up, are such that always the psychopaths are put behind the driving wheel. It is the same story in America, Europe, Africa and Asia. The world is on the cusp of a new era, as the people are slowly becoming disillusioned by the Hegemony of the Western power, which has been on going for 500 years. Pakistan is carrying the water for NATO, the west. The ruling elite of Pakistan have been selling the same crap, as their rival, the indians, to it's people. Empty promises of a "progressive" future. Even though Pakistani people are well qualified, smarter, and more educated than your average western man, they still have a hard time getting the job they deserve, the pay they earn. Pakistan is the worst hit by "the brain drain" phenomena of all the countries in the world. The people of Pakistan were better off under the British Raj than they are now. Most Pakistanies want to leave Pakistan and go abroad. Isn't that why you are in England? So if the People of Pakistan are leaving Pakistan, and you yourself have left Pakistan, why would you want the rest to stay there?



1) Durrand line is an illegitimate agreement. From a legal perspective it holds no weight in any court system. You can go and read the reasons why off the internet for which there are many sources.

2) In reality there are 3 parties. The third missing Party, The Baloch, did not even get to read it or sign it...they were not even accounted for. Are the Baloch Pashtuns? I've heard members express that Afghans want Khyber Pakhtunkhwa so they can have access to the sea. Such people think that the people of Balochistan are non existent and have no say what so ever in any of this.

3) Come on brother. How is the current leader of Pakistan controlling it now? Are they "controlling" it? Barely...what difference would it make. Nothing would change, except the map. Khyber pakhtunkhwa is the poorest province of Pakistan. Almost no investment at all is made towards. With just 50% literacy rate and an unemployment rate of 30%...majority of the youth don't have proper jobs.

4) Sell it to who? And when was it sold to begin with?

5) By Green Passport, you mean Pakistani Passport? Duel Citizenship? Around the world, the value of a pakistani passport is no different then that of an Afghan passport. You get treated the same regardless.

Al-Chemist Wrora, chai yaw so kasan stha pa shanai noor shi, da dunya ba badala ki...pa Qwaran chai stha shanai ilm aow poha ma pa dairo kamo khalko kai laidalai da...

[Digital Malang]

Toramana, der de sha wafarmayal. Allah pak de Al-chemist de bad nazzara wasatee...ameen...

[Nokia_Apridy]

Al-Chemist Wrora, chai yaw so kasan stha pa shanai noor shi, da dunya ba badala ki...pa Qwaran chai stha shanai ilm aow poha ma pa dairo kamo khalko kai laidalai da...

Apsos kho na kaway.........

[Nokia_Apridy]

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Za hem daga Wayam ......Khu dalta ba da bya Khalak pa Stargu

Gotay Mandey chay Rekhtya walkey.......

[kakargirl]

Al-Chemist Wrora, chai yaw so kasan stha pa shanai noor shi, da dunya ba badala ki...pa Qwaran chai stha shanai ilm aow poha ma pa dairo kamo khalko kai laidalai da...

toramana wror a very nice compliment you gave to alchemist wror.